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Invincible Season 4 General Discussion Thread
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Hellbeast
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Honestly? I’d say so yeahWonder if it would be worth to give him another key. Probably not since they would both just scale to stomping Mark, at most we'd have to change the wording of his current tier a bit imo
I am eating these up though
some good stuff with Viltrum plus Lowkey Thragg has air manipulation
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They made Thragg so scary. Good lord.
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Am I the only one who thoughts this episode was kinda... Mid? The animation was again just 90% pngs floating around. There were only a couple cool shots. You would have expected them to at least bring the same energy that they did back in Season 3 Episode 8 but this doesn't even come close to that.
Also, I think Thragg was properly intimidating and they did a good job portraying how much stronger he was. Like having him reel in Nolan from just the force of him pulling back his arm was insane. But, a lot of times it kinda just didn't land because the animation didn't allow it to.
And tbh the comic scenes seem way more impactful. Especially the whole thing with Oliver. In the comic it's probably one of the simultaneously most funny and most gruesome things Thragg does. With the whole line of "Stop me if you've heard this one before." The show removed it which made it a lot more bland in comparison.
The pacing of the episode also felt super slow to me. Maybe because so much of it was just extremely poorly drawn fighting between Viltrumites and characters where none of the attacks had much impact. It's really hard to make all these fighting scenes interesting when they have zero animation on them. So it ends up just feeling like filler tbh. Genuinely makes the show nearly unwatchable and I think this issue is only getting worse as time goes on, somehow.
Even episode 5 looked better than this. And actually Episode 5 was just overall a better done episode in general. Way more impact all around. Better dialogue, better pacing, better action. Really shouldn't have been that way.
Also, I think Thragg was properly intimidating and they did a good job portraying how much stronger he was. Like having him reel in Nolan from just the force of him pulling back his arm was insane. But, a lot of times it kinda just didn't land because the animation didn't allow it to.
And tbh the comic scenes seem way more impactful. Especially the whole thing with Oliver. In the comic it's probably one of the simultaneously most funny and most gruesome things Thragg does. With the whole line of "Stop me if you've heard this one before." The show removed it which made it a lot more bland in comparison.
The pacing of the episode also felt super slow to me. Maybe because so much of it was just extremely poorly drawn fighting between Viltrumites and characters where none of the attacks had much impact. It's really hard to make all these fighting scenes interesting when they have zero animation on them. So it ends up just feeling like filler tbh. Genuinely makes the show nearly unwatchable and I think this issue is only getting worse as time goes on, somehow.
Even episode 5 looked better than this. And actually Episode 5 was just overall a better done episode in general. Way more impact all around. Better dialogue, better pacing, better action. Really shouldn't have been that way.
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Honestly its space I don't think you can do much better than that.. its not all PNGs and in the important scenes they aren't really. And lets be honest, after seeing thatdestruction of Viltrum scene all pngs are forgiven and forgotten
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I liked the brief impact frames with thragg. aura farming...
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I liked the episode even though the animation was subpar and they made Thragg feel powerful asf. They removed the statements of the infinity ray destabilizing the core and the statement that they could die on impact... Space Racer's Gun seemingly only blasted a several meter radius hole too so it seems like the Viltrumites did more of the work here compared to the comics. I would say at worst we split the ke by 4 for the yield per viltrumite. I don't know how the infinity ray being able to destroy stars would factor into this but the feat is probably 5-A to High 5-A. Also Mark did zero damage to Thragg unlike the comics and Thragg turned Thaedus's head to paste so he's even stronger in comparison to them.
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You can definitely do much better than that. They already did much better than that in Episode 5, man. And this episode doesn't even look half as good as last season finale.Honestly its space I don't think you can do much better than that.. its not all PNGs and in the important scenes they aren't really. And lets be honest, after seeing thatdestruction of Viltrum scene all pngs are forgiven and forgotten
Some of y'all invincible fans be putting up with slop and it isn't okay
Most of the fights in this episode were just random viltrumites attacking with zero impact and only a couple frames to spare. It's so boring. It feels empty.
You shouldn't just ignore that because a couple frames looked good lol. I actually think even the planet bust could've looked way better.
When they were digging into the planet it was just pngs blasting through a bunch of dirt and rock even though the majority of a planet is solid and liquid metal/magma.
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So the viltrum feat got massively debuffed. The trio was just following a path carved out by the Infinity ray, at best you can scale durability via survival in the core of the planet. Thragg got so much aura, his clothes flutter in space. Even has air manipulation.
They definitely did a good job of making him look like a titan. A lot of new lore I want to talk about.
They definitely did a good job of making him look like a titan. A lot of new lore I want to talk about.
- Kregg confirmed to be a weakling canonically.
- Thragg was associates with both Thaddeus and Nolan. Far more dialogue.
- Zoe gets a better weapon that can hurt viltrumites, plus the toxin.
- Ragnars put in some insane performance.
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It's Invincible's Planet Vegeta feat
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Debuffed?? They definitely scale to AP dude. There would be no point of this whole thing if the infinity ray on its own was enough to destroy the planet.
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If that was the case they wouldn't have been needed to destroy the planet
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They shouldn't have been needed in the first place. Space Racer's gun can destroy a star. Hell he doesn't even need to go close, he could have shot the planet's core 10 times from afar. What the viltrumites gonna do, Body block it ?
Here is the thing, people use the feat to divide by 4. That implies al had equal power and contribution, but that's clearly not the case, the infinity ray not only outscales everyone in the verse but also did 99% of the feat.
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shoots infinity ray into planet
nolan needed mark for the feat
contribution of everyone involved was clearly very necessary
someone comes up and says nah they cant scale to it when they blatantly do
nolan needed mark for the feat
contribution of everyone involved was clearly very necessary
someone comes up and says nah they cant scale to it when they blatantly do
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it's gonna be FTL KE again...
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MI MADRE (****)
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Because logic dictates otherwise. And when logic dictates otherwise, it's called Plot induced stupidity. They can't scale to it because it implies equal power to the infinity ray itself.
Which is blatantly wrong as they all get no diffed by the infinity ray. Either you have accept that they cannot scale to the infinity or argue a case for the viltrumites to scale to the infinity ray which would directly contradict the story. Sorry, You can't have your cake and eat it.
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"the narratively important feat never actually happened bro"
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A feat can happen and still very much count as plot induced stupidty or an outlier.
For example Boys S5 Ep1 A Train's MHS+ feat. A narratively important feat as Hughie and MM would be dead if not for it, but ultimately a outlier as by several in universe statements, 400 m/s is A Train's peak.
Again like I said, you cannot act like the Viltrumites are equal to the infinity ray.
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Because Epic aura hype moment at the cost of logic. I didn't write the story, shouldn't have made the Infinity ray star level because then it overpowers all character by several factors and takes 99.999% of the feat's energy. We can literally see that they are following the hole made by the ray. Hell the loose rocks flinged back hurt Mark a bit.
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Oh come on, look when we upgrade this guys, you are the only one who is going to be annoying
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Oh yeah forget about the big hole they left and the shockwave
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I mean the feat is definitely usable if you assume it did like 70% and they did 10% of work each. They were still a needed contribution so that much makes sense.
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Except that MHS+ is an extrapolation from the visuals of the scene, not the actually intended speed thereof. The only thing the scene communicates by itself is that A-Train is really fast, and the writers aren't thinking of some arbitrary times the speed of sound when they think of it.
In this case the scene is communicating in no uncertain terms that the Infinity Ray is not enough, and neither are two Viltrumites on top of it, to destroy Viltrum. Saying the three did a negligible contribution is going against the scene itself.
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As if having an emotional support skull makes him a fraud. If anything he's mentally unstable
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The Infinity ray only made a small narrow hole, the trio mostly made that hole bigger/nuked the planets core etc to blow it up. The Infinity Ray from whats implied is that it was the most effective way to tunnel into the planet, the destructive power was on the others
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So.......wtf was the point of them if the gun could already destroy the planet lmao
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Wtf do y'all mean debuffed lmao. This was a massive buff. They didn't pass out afterwards and it's very clear they were needed in order to destroy the planet. If anything they are massively stronger than their comic counterparts in every respect at this point. You might even get 5-A results.
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Brown dwarf seems right imo
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First - The hole was defenitly big enough for them to pass through, we can see Mark isn't digging, just colliding into loose rocks.
Second - The Infinity ray causes explosions anyway. |
Third - Continuing my second point, It destroyed a star. I shouldn't even need to explain why scaling the viltrimite trio to even a fraction of it's power is complete bullshit.
Fourth - Infinity Ray also superheats whatever it passes through, burning it, we see several times that the size of the damage it carves has a far higher radius than the ray itself.
Now unless you have any points + actual evidence too refute this, stop repeating yourselves and filling up space.
Second - The Infinity ray causes explosions anyway. |
Third - Continuing my second point, It destroyed a star. I shouldn't even need to explain why scaling the viltrimite trio to even a fraction of it's power is complete bullshit.
Fourth - Infinity Ray also superheats whatever it passes through, burning it, we see several times that the size of the damage it carves has a far higher radius than the ray itself.
Now unless you have any points + actual evidence too refute this, stop repeating yourselves and filling up space.
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Except this is completely wrong. As the implication that A Train is fast enough to statue homelander is immediately shat on by homelander being able to perceive and chase him. Make the earlier feat a heavily inconsistent outlier.
Just like this one.
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Except this was a flight speed feat for homelander that scales to nothing else and he was on ground while being statued lel
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