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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

I know you're joking
And who said I was joking..? /j
but if that was a real feat how would we even index it lol? Toon force? Hammerspace but for Sonic's stomach?
This is actually interesting bc I see two ways. One, Sonic eats it all in one bite. Two, Sonic eats it overtime. One would be definite toon force with assumingly elasicity/body control bc he's short. Two would probably make eating Angel Island a speed feat. I could imagine Sonic eating a small bit at a time, perhaps throw in running to burn calories every now and then. He'd also be able to scale to the hardest individual thing to chew and swallow. Sonic's teeth solos now?
 
I like how a book for 5 year olds continues to make me hope that SEGA never remasters a single game ever again as I know they'll start rewriting it and adding badly implemented changes while also having Sonic eat Angel Island again
Can Sonic eating Angel Island be scaled to Solaris eating multiple islands?
 
I like how a book for 5 year olds continues to make me hope that SEGA never remasters a single game ever again as I know they'll start rewriting it and adding badly implemented changes while also having Sonic eat Angel Island again

yknow thinking about it, why haven't we included Classic Sonic's feat of eating Angel Island on his profile?
Honestly, I don't mind that post-Forces Amy has matured (after the war and having to lead the resistance instead of Knuckles) and is less obsessed with Sonic; what bothers me is that they rehash things from the past so that Amy is already like this before.
 
Actually curious, what do you all think about Ultimate Emerl's speed scaling to the Final Egg Blaster's attack speed?
 
Emerl copying the attack speed of the FEB isn't something I'm entirely sold on, so I'm ultimately neutral because Emerl increasing in power is far more obvious and blatantly stated compared to him increasing in speed being more nebulous.
 
I finally got to reading Sonic and the Blade of Courage and don't get me wrong it isn't perfect but still it's pretty great and a breath of fresh air from IDW in many respects. Really my only issue with it is that the chapter with the baby snake felt like filler but that aside yeah I like it alot. Oh also that cliffhanger with Amo eating the blade of courage is diabolical why would they end the chapter there lol 😭
 
Personally I think Ultimate Emerl's speed scaling to the FEB attack speed is fairly likely since we see Emerl gains a significant speed amp due to automatically equipping ultimate moves regardless of what you use, but at worst it can just be support for MFTL+ scaling. Plus, something cool is how the FEB attack speed and the Nonaggression speed feat are surprisingly close together, at least without Chaos Emerald multipliers
I finally got to reading Sonic and the Blade of Courage and don't get me wrong it isn't perfect but still it's pretty great and a breath of fresh air from IDW in many respects. Really my only issue with it is that the chapter with the baby snake felt like filler but that aside yeah I like it alot. Oh also that cliffhanger with Amo eating the blade of courage is diabolical why would they end the chapter there lol 😭
I'm def pretty fond of how they write Sonic and his dialogue there, I have a couple nitpicks but generally it's really good, and I love how much of a weirdo he is there
 
I'm def pretty fond of how they write Sonic and his dialogue there, I have a couple nitpicks but generally it's really good, and I love how much of a weirdo he is there
Agreed.

that cliffhanger to you

Yeah more or less.
What can I say, I like Eggman bringing a dark souls boss to fight Sonic. And also I'm wondering what that wendigo lookin thing will turn into with its "other half".
 
And now for another debate regarding Speed Simulator's canonicity:



(For context, Johnny was previously confirmed to have died.)

Speed Simulator have time-things elements, which is why characters like Fang (who, in theory, should have a modern version) or Mecha Sonic MK II (who’s on Scrap Island) can appear in the game without causing any issues, as well as the Time Eater, who’s supposed to have died in Generations, I wouldn’t be surprised if that Johnny is from some point before his death or if they’ve rebuilt him.
But I'd wait to see what the game story (still annoys me that they don’t include characters from the Story Books)
 
Btw, why does Time Eater gain manipulation for aspects for cosmology erasure? In the faq, it's mentioned abilities shouldn't be granted for wide nuke.
 
Btw, why does Time Eater gain manipulation for aspects for cosmology erasure? In the faq, it's mentioned abilities shouldn't be granted for wide nuke.
It isn't being listed as a manipulation of aspects, but strictly the erasure of said aspects. It's why Classic/Modern Sonic, Shadow, etc. have their resistances listed as "Resistance to [X] Erasure, [Y] Erasure, and [Z] Erasure" and not resistance to the abilities as a whole.

This idea has a set precedent on pages as well; the Time Eater, that one guy from Dragon Ball Heroes whose name I can't recall, and most other cosmology-erasers that I can't name off the top of my head.

What you're quoting is a standard related to cosmology busting through sheer AP or characters who physically exist in a higher dimension of reality, like Marvel's Eternity. Destroying a Conceptual realm with AP is at best a combination of Range, AP, & NPI, but wouldn't grant Concept Hax. But with a character using EE on said realm, it would net Conceptual Erasure (assuming it wasn't a chain reaction, that it was done through their own power, yadda yadda).
 
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It isn't being listed as a manipulation of aspects, but strictly the erasure of said aspects. It's why Classic/Modern Sonic, Shadow, etc. have their resistances listed as "Resistance to [X] Erasure, [Y] Erasure, and [Z] Erasure" and not resistance to the abilities as a whole.

Most beings who ERASE (like proper EE) a cosmology can be granted erasure hax for the realms they are erasing. It has a set precedent on pages as well; the Time Eater, that one guy from Dragon Ball Heroes, and other cosmology-erasers that I can't name off the top of my head.

What you're quoting is a standard related to cosmology busting through sheer AP (or characters who physically exist in a higher dimension of reality, like Marvel's Eternity). Destroying a Conceptual realm with AP is at best a combination of Range, AP, & NPI, but wouldn't grant Concept Hax. But with a character using EE on said realm, it would net Conceptual Erasure (assuming it wasn't a chain reaction, that it was done through their own power, yadda yadda).
I saw someone tries to remove erasure and NPI for cosmology erasure regarding ben 10.
 
I saw someone tries to remove erasure and NPI for cosmology erasure regarding ben 10.
Valid of you to bring up.

I'm seeing statements of both erasure and outright destruction in the OP so I don't know which has more weight or if their "destruction" is through EE only. If it's through outright destruction then he's right to remove the hax, as the Celestialsapiens are physically 26-D beings and wouldn't even require existence erasure at all to destroy those realms.

The Time Eater is 6-D only to the extent that it can take attacks from a Full Power Super Sonic, but is a physically 3-D being (as it was floating around the universe primordially) that can ONLY destroy via erasure. It has no higher level of ontology like the Celestialsapiens do.
 
Valid of you to bring up.

I'm seeing statements of both erasure and outright destruction in the OP so I don't know which has more weight or if their "destruction" is through EE only. If it's through outright destruction then he's right to remove the hax, as the Celestialsapiens are physically 26-D beings and wouldn't even require existence erasure at all to destroy those realms.

The Time Eater is 6-D only to the extent that it can take attacks from a Full Power Super Sonic, but is a physically 3-D being (as it was floating around the universe primordially) that can ONLY destroy via erasure. It has no higher level of ontology like the Celestialsapiens do.
So I'm guessing Time Eater should still have his erasure aspects qualified due to more consistent statements of using erasure unlike Celestialsapiens?
 
So I'm guessing Time Eater should still have his erasure aspects qualified due to more consistent statements of using erasure unlike Celestialsapiens?
Precisely. You would be 100% correct if Time Eater did the cosmology bust via AP or if Time Eater was a higher-dimensional being that is exerting power over the lower dimension, as either would have no basis in scaling to hax whatsoever.

Though, thinking about it, Time Eater should probably have it's AP downgraded to "Low Multiverse level (One-shot the 2 Sonics), possibly Complex Multiverse level" at best because it's only showings are ragdolling 2 characters that are Invulnerable anyways (this will have to wait a bit tho, as I think the verse is at its "5-active-CRTs" limit because of some upgrades and downgrades that are waiting for the Imgur Thread to finish).

Edit: Remembered the Time Eater one-shotting the Sonics so that would upscale him from 2-C rather than Unknown Hell.

Double Edit: Nevermind, I forget Time Eater can overpower the Super Sonic Boost. That would scale him solidly to 1-C.
 
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It isn't being listed as a manipulation of aspects, but strictly the erasure of said aspects. It's why Classic/Modern Sonic, Shadow, etc. have their resistances listed as "Resistance to [X] Erasure, [Y] Erasure, and [Z] Erasure" and not resistance to the abilities as a whole.

This idea has a set precedent on pages as well; the Time Eater, that one guy from Dragon Ball Heroes whose name I can't recall, and most other cosmology-erasers that I can't name off the top of my head.

What you're quoting is a standard related to cosmology busting through sheer AP or characters who physically exist in a higher dimension of reality, like Marvel's Eternity. Destroying a Conceptual realm with AP is at best a combination of Range, AP, & NPI, but wouldn't grant Concept Hax. But with a character using EE on said realm, it would net Conceptual Erasure (assuming it wasn't a chain reaction, that it was done through their own power, yadda yadda).
But Time eater himself just say manipulation
 
This is actually interesting bc I see two ways. One, Sonic eats it all in one bite. Two, Sonic eats it overtime. One would be definite toon force with assumingly elasicity/body control bc he's short. Two would probably make eating Angel Island a speed feat. I could imagine Sonic eating a small bit at a time, perhaps throw in running to burn calories every now and then. He'd also be able to scale to the hardest individual thing to chew and swallow. Sonic's teeth solos now?
Pff, no imagination. The lack of perspective even...
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I am like 99.99% sure I'm suffering brainrot
took you long enough
 

This is unrelated to anything but does anyone else kind of hate it that Sonic spent the better part of Sonic Frontiers proving to Sage that he isn't just some reckless idiot who would doom everyone and that Sage can trust him (yes he was reckless but in Frontiers said recklessness still had his friends interests firmly in mind) but then in IDW only two issues into Sage being in the comic, Sonic proceeds to be a reckless idiot who splits off from the group for no real reason. 🤦And in doing so he almost gets Sage and Belle killed all while they were in an environment that he had no reason to assume was safe especially since they literally ran into a hostile Metal Sonic in the previous issue and yet they all assumed that the cave doesn't have additional entrances when it is clearly modified.

Sorry for bringing up Sage's introduction to IDW again but I was just thinking about issue #85 and how I dislike it more with each passing day. Hopefully issue #86 will fix most of my issues with the story from issue #85 but I definitely don't have my hopes up.
 
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Though, thinking about it, Time Eater should probably have it's AP downgraded to "Low Multiverse level (One-shot the 2 Sonics), possibly Complex Multiverse level" at best because it's only showings are ragdolling 2 characters that are Invulnerable anyways
Tbh I don't think super forms rly qualify for invulnerability :/
 
Tbh I don't think super forms rly qualify for invulnerability :/
I personally disagree and find the rebuttals against Invulnerability as being largely ignorant to some lore and mechanics, with most people failing to realize nearly every single instance of a Super Form being harmed has an explanation to account for it (the most simple one for an example being that utilizing a source of Chaos Energy allows you to harm a Super State in turn). The only one that doesn't is Knuckles surprise-attacking him in Sonic 3 (and Big Arms, but that one is a bug).

I even have a thread prepared for when the "Invulnerability requires a mechanism" thread actually passes, cuz I already know certain people are gonna jump for joy and create a thread to remove it from Super States. I respect your disagreement though, it's not a take that disgruntles me except for when people are belittling about it or try to attack my media literacy over it.
 
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Complete derail from the previous comment, but does anybody have any expectations or hopes for the Sonic x Godzilla crossover? (Bonus Points if you don't say "I want to see Godzilla vs Super Sonic", because I'm pretty sure we all know that's happening like Super Sonic vs Darkseid did. Mfw we get a Tier 7 Super Sonic lol).

The preview descriptions hinted at it, but I think that Eggman attempting to subdue/study Mechagodzilla to enhance his Badniks or Eggman Empire would be actual peak.
 
Complete derail from the previous comment, but does anybody have any expectations or hopes for the Sonic x Godzilla crossover? (Bonus Points if you don't say "I want to see Godzilla vs Super Sonic", because I'm pretty sure we all know that's happening like Super Sonic vs Darkseid did. Mfw we get a Tier 7 Super Sonic lol).

The preview descriptions hinted at it, but I think that Eggman attempting to subdue/study Mechagodzilla to enhance his Badniks or Eggman Empire would be actual peak.
Truthfully for me, I try to keep my expectations low for things. It's nothing against anyone working on the comic ofc, but I'd rather expect something really lame and underwhelming so I can be surprised instead of getting excited over possibilities that won't happen to protect the brand image.
 
Complete derail from the previous comment, but does anybody have any expectations or hopes for the Sonic x Godzilla crossover? (Bonus Points if you don't say "I want to see Godzilla vs Super Sonic", because I'm pretty sure we all know that's happening like Super Sonic vs Darkseid did. Mfw we get a Tier 7 Super Sonic lol).

The preview descriptions hinted at it, but I think that Eggman attempting to subdue/study Mechagodzilla to enhance his Badniks or Eggman Empire would be actual peak.
I want to see Godzilla vs Super Sonic

Honestly... How much would we bet on Super Godzilla?
 
Complete derail from the previous comment, but does anybody have any expectations or hopes for the Sonic x Godzilla crossover? (Bonus Points if you don't say "I want to see Godzilla vs Super Sonic", because I'm pretty sure we all know that's happening like Super Sonic vs Darkseid did. Mfw we get a Tier 7 Super Sonic lol).
The preview descriptions hinted at it, but I think that Eggman attempting to subdue/study Mechagodzilla to enhance his Badniks or Eggman Empire would be actual peak.

I'm not sure because I don't know nearly enough about Godzilla to be as excited for this crossover as I am about Sonic x DC coming back in May. But that said if Super Sonic is to fight anyone I'd want it to be Ghidorah just because the Twitter art I've seen of Super Sonic vs Ghidorah is so spectacular that I kind of want to see it happen in the crossover. And I'm also a sucker for dragons.
Oh also Godzilla stomping the entire cast of a series seems to be a borderline tradition as I'm 90% sure he's bodied both the Justice League and the Avengers before lol. So when Sonic and crew inevitably get smoked if any of them can get a standout moment I kind of hope it's Knuckles. What can I say Knuckles getting stomped on by Godzilla but holding his foot up, or actually staggering Godzilla briefly with a punch to the face after climbing a skyscraper to get the right height to attack would be hype ways for Knuckles to shine before Godzilla does Godzilla things and wrecks everyone. That and Knuckles needs more moments in general.
Last Tails and Eggman are probably going to be exposition devices to some extent so when that happens it would be interesting to see how their opinions differ on Godzilla if they don't end up reaching the same conclusions.
 
Truthfully for me, I try to keep my expectations low for things. It's nothing against anyone working on the comic ofc, but I'd rather expect something really lame and underwhelming so I can be surprised instead of getting excited over possibilities that won't happen to protect the brand image.
I do believe in the principle of realistic expectations, but don't let the doomerism take hold either. I think it can be fun to speculate so long as we don't create glorified fanfiction of the plot lol.
 
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