Problems with Mahito earthquake feat

[Qurbonboev]

In chapter 128 of JJK, Mahito uses Body Repel technique to attack Yuji & Todo in underground of Shibuya station, which results in shaking of the surface.
There is a calculation for this feat, that is currently on the verse page and is used for scaling. It assumes Mahito created earthquake with Body Repel.
Problem is, our earthquake feats page demands evidence of large area being affected by shaking. Evidence, which shaking from Body Repel lacks to my best knowledge. Unless supporters could find such evidence, feat shouldn't be considered valid. Creating suitable replacement feat is also desirable course of actions
Note: this thread dwells exclusively with feat validity, not scaling, which would be tackled later if feat gets removed or replaced.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Following.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Also, I'll not let this be ignored so I'm tagging some supporters.

@Rodriiogo @SunDaGamer @LaserPrecision and @KingTempest

 

[LaserPrecision]

It's been a while since someone mentioned this. IIRC someone said the anime provides context for its range? I'll wait to see what the others say.

 

[Arceus0x]

It's like less than 7 meters short of the 150 meters that i'm pretty sure are allowed...idk if this works or not.

 

[SunDaGamer]

The area affected has a radius of about 142 to 143 meters based on cross-referencing with the real life locations. Originally, it was a shaking calc using mass and velocity instead of an Earthquake calc, I remember DontTalkDT saying this about shaking calcs:

The first method seems wrong primarily because the amplitude is an absolute high end and the frequency calculation (as far as I can tell) makes no sense, as well as frequency and amplitude not being incorporated into a wave energy formula the right way.

In principle, I do think some small-scale shacking feats can be calculated. Namely, if it's an enduring shacking (not just a shockwave passing through) that affects the entire structure simultaneously, then you can probably use this table to get a velocity and use KE based on that for a result.

Plugging in like 9.64 cm/s would get us 0.674 tons of TNT

 

[Qurbonboev]

The area affected has a radius of about 142 to 143 meters based on cross-referencing with the real life locations.

There is no hard distance requirements for Earthquakes being valid. Staff agreed that it should be decided case by case. For example, Magnitude 9 earthquake should be portrayed as something that affected entire countries. For Earthquake of magnitude 4.5 requirements obviously should be lower, but realistically such earthquakes would be felt across huge distances. I personally think it was intended as not full fledged earthquake but localised shaking, but I will let supporters and CGM to decide on this.
Does any other character mention feeling shaking in the manga?

It's been a while since someone mentioned this. IIRC someone said the anime provides context for its range? I'll wait to see what the others say.

Ehhh, you know better than me that using anime would be kinda problematic.

Plugging in like 9.64 cm/s would get us 0.674 tons of TNT

This method might work

 

[AyOgUyS]

Does any other character mention feeling shaking in the manga?

I don't think so.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Following

 

[AguilaR202]

Supposing this feat is dowgraded to building level, what’s the best feat characters of Mahito tier would scale to?

 

[Shey]

Supposing this feat is dowgraded to building level, what’s the best feat characters of Mahito tier would scale to?

25.2 Tons, Finger Bearer explosion, it's a really solid feat even though I feel it's sort of an outlier given what does it and where it stands, still solid tho

 

[Qurbonboev]

Bump

 

[Arkenis]

25.2 Tons, Finger Bearer explosion, it's a really solid feat even though I feel it's sort of an outlier given what does it and where it stands, still solid tho

Should likely be recalced. Though wdym? FB are likely stronger than most pre Shibuya, Megumi only won due to an off guard dog paw.

 

[Shey]

Should likely be recalced. Though wdym? FB are likely stronger than most pre Shibuya, Megumi only won due to an off guard dog paw.

From what I could judge the calc seems legit, maybe you could find some flaws but whatever

I don't even believe anyone would scale to that Energy blast, I'm not actually in full support of that alternative it's just the first thing that comes to my mind, What's the next best feat that scales to normal attack statistics

 

[Arkenis]

From what I could judge the calc seems legit, maybe you could find some flaws but whatever

I don't even believe anyone would scale to that Energy blast, I'm not actually in full support of that alternative it's just the first thing that comes to my mind, What's the next best feat that scales to normal attack statistics

Curses breaking walls/buildings.

 

[Shey]

Curses breaking walls/buildings.

Yikes, I thought there would have at least been Tier 8 calcs they properly scale before Shinjuku but I guess not damn

 

[Arkenis]

Yikes, I thought there would have at least been Tier 8 calcs they properly scale before Shinjuku but I guess not damn

There are, you asked for normal attacks I thought you meant physicals only.

 

[Shey]

There are, you asked for normal attacks I thought you meant physicals only.

I did mean physicals only

Oh I said Shinjuku, I meant Shibuya and prior

 

[Arkenis]

I did mean physicals only

Oh. Yeah, unsurprisingly most feats are often from cursed techs.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Bump

Supposing this feat is dowgraded to building level, what’s the best feat characters of Mahito tier would scale to?

25.2 Tons, Finger Bearer explosion, it's a really solid feat even though I feel it's sort of an outlier given what does it and where it stands, still solid tho

Curses breaking walls/buildings.

1. I would prefer for scaling to be handled in CRT
2. This feat(Mahito Body repel) was done by several transfigured humans, so Mahito tier people shouldn't have been scaled to full value of it in the first place. (And this was agreed on in 7-A CRT, it just wasn't implemented). And finger bearer physicals scaling to it blasting the domain is outdated.
3. They would scale to 1/3 of Mahito ISBoDK feat(73.8/3=24.6 tonnes), and upscale from Panda tanking Mechamaru cannon(12.2 tonnes)

 

[Shey]

Bump



1. I would prefer for scaling to be handled in CRT
2. This feat(Mahito Body repel) was done by several transfigured humans, so Mahito tier people shouldn't have been scaled to full value of it in the first place. (And this was agreed on in 7-A CRT, it just wasn't implemented). And finger bearer physicals scaling to it blasting the domain is outdated.
3. They would scale to 1/3 of Mahito ISBoDK feat(73.8/3=24.6 tonnes), and upscale from Panda tanking Mechamaru cannon(12.2 tonnes)

Isbodk Mahito's 73.8ton calc is Bunk actually, that can't be used and needs to be recalced since it's massively inflated

Didn't that attack make Panda core unusable for combat while fully bracing for it? But I guess that can be used

 

[Qurbonboev]

Isbodk Mahito's 73.8ton calc is Bunk actually, that can't be used and needs to be recalced since it's massively inflated

"I wonder how much recalc would lower results"
"Wdym 0.33 tons?"
(Calc was changed today, so it waits for re-evaluation)
Atp just nuke verse

Also, I'll not let this be ignored so I'm tagging some supporters.

The area affected has a radius of about 142 to 143 meters based on cross-referencing with the real life locations. Originally, it was a shaking calc using mass and velocity instead of an Earthquake calc, I remember DontTalkDT saying this about shaking calcs:

Plugging in like 9.64 cm/s would get us 0.674 tons of TNT

Can you guys tag some CGMs that have expertise in dealing with earthquakes.
Recaping things for them:

Mahito did cause pretty strong shaking across Shibuya station. But we can be sure that it spread out for only 143 meters. No other characters in Shibuya (and there were many of them) commented about shaking, which shows that author intent likely was for this shaking to be interpreted as strong local shaking, not Magnitude 4.5 Earthquake (which can be felt for dozens of kilometers).
Should this feat be considered valid as earthquake feat or no?

 

[LaserPrecision]

Atp just nuke verse

I'm all for that frankly. It's in a horrific state, no one can agree on anything so it's super controversial, and the scaling atp is just getting stupid

 

[M3X_2.0]

I'm all for that frankly. It's in a horrific state, no one can agree on anything so it's super controversial, and the scaling atp is just getting stupid

People are not fan of the verse, they’re fan of wank and high values. No one moves a finger to fix EoS scaling and calcs but the moment Dabura kicked at LS everyone jumped in to get that indexed. He doesn’t even have a profile.

 

[LaserPrecision]

People are not fan of the verse, they’re fan of wank and high values. No one moves a finger to fix EoS scaling and calcs but the moment Dabura kicked at LS everyone jumped in to get that indexed. He doesn’t even have a profile.

Where did I say anyone was a fan of the verse, and what does that have to do with anything I said?

I didn't even want Dabura stuff to be touched until after the rest of the verse was revised. I was explicit about that with multiple people too.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Where did I say anyone was a fan of the verse, and what does that have to do with anything I said?

I didn't even want Dabura stuff to be touched until after the rest of the verse was revised. I was explicit about that with multiple people too.

I was agreeing and complementing your comment btw.

 

[Arkenis]

I'm gonna make a thread for it, so we can have a better handle on it.

 

[LaserPrecision]

I was agreeing and complementing your comment btw.

Oh, it was hard to read. I interpreted it differently.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

people'd rather nuke the verse than fix things.

calcs being nerfed is fine, nerf the verse to hell ig, but let's not just nuke things.

 

[M3X_2.0]

We're not nuking anything, it's just the sentiment that no one cartes about making things better looking, and we always have to spend several pages discussing irrelevant details that bother us. People would rather debate Dabura's LS kick just cause "woah high results" and he doesn't even have a profile yet.

But that's derailing. I agree with the calc removal. It's bums.

 

[Arkenis]

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