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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

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I mean, it really doesn't get more blatant than this.
 
Why is Cerydra and Cyrene's law manipulation via law manip not limited? We see Cerydra has to die to change the laws of Amphoreus, specifically restructuring the Worldbearing Coreflame + Era Nova in 3.6. She even had to offer up her life to give Herta and Screwllum temporary access to the ultimate protocol.

It's only Talanton, the titan, that has full law manip, the coreflame explicitly doesn't give full law manip. Even then, it's limited in what it can do:
Talanton is seen as a manifestation of justice. They uphold the taboos and boundaries of Amphoreus and lay down logic and laws for all things. They created Balance Coins to ensure that all transactions are of equivalent exchange. They maintain the balance of the world. Any action that would damage these laws will be subject to retribution. Just as a scale that never tilts, all things must be free of excess. If one wishes to obtain, they must first lose. If you wish to receive the benediction of this Titan, you must pay a cost. Some people even end up being transformed into terrifying monsters. For this reason, the gods often view them as the mediator of strife. When a dispute between Titans cannot be resolved, only their judgment is able to satisfy their kin.

Talanton has bound Amphoreus with strict laws, and themselves with an equally strict vow to never allow for favoritism or injustice. They and their disciples act according to this vow, sentencing those who break their vows or violate boundaries to punishment... Even if the subject of this judgment is another Titan.
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Here's the def for law manip:
The ability to manipulate "laws" that automatically apply themselves upon reality, referring to rules, mandates and even fundamental logical principles/truths/facts that are the way in which a reality may function. The laws may or may not have been previously imposed by a higher authority within the setting of a verse.
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It doesn't really scale to the higher uses of law manip in Talanton's case, especially not in Cerydra's since:
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At the very least it should have a weakness section because she needs to offer something of equal weight.
 
I must say, Dan Heng using IL instead of PT in the 4.2 trailer makes me believe in the idea that he and TB no longer have their coreflames outside Ampho, which makes sense lore-wise. I mean, those coreflames are part of the simulation, and Ampho is not yet real. Outside of TB gaining Remembrance, the two of them should lose any of their amps from Ampho (although there is that way statement from TB calling them and March are still titans, but that probably means status instead of actual power. It also does not make sense for them to still be titans yet)

Could this solve the 3C high schoolers?
 
Doggo said:
I must say, Dan Heng using IL instead of PT in the 4.2 trailer makes me believe in the idea that he and TB no longer have their coreflames outside Ampho, which makes sense lore-wise. I mean, those coreflames are part of the simulation, and Ampho is not yet real. Outside of TB gaining Remembrance, the two of them should lose any of their amps from Ampho (although there is that way statement from TB calling them and March are still titans, but that probably means status instead of actual power. It also does not make sense for them to still be titans yet)

Could this solve the 3C high schoolers?
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Why would he use PT there. Btw Dan Heng is the same dude who used IL against fake Sunday but stayed in base the entire time against real Sunday. (There’s also a statement of him using coreflame of earth outside amphoreus)
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Why would he use PT there. Btw Dan Heng is the same dude who used IL against fake Sunday but stayed in base the entire time against real Sunday. (There’s also a statement of him using coreflame of earth outside amphoreus)
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Literally everything you said inbetween the first sentence ant the paragraph means nothing because him using IL against fake sunday (not robin amped and no water) and him being in base against real sunday (amped by robin and no water) has nothing to do with what doggo said 😭😭😭 also could you show this statement? Everyone keeps saying it exists but i havent seen jt yet
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Why would he use PT there. Btw Dan Heng is the same dude who used IL against fake Sunday but stayed in base the entire time against real Sunday. (There’s also a statement of him using coreflame of earth outside amphoreus)
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Idk why he would transform and not use his strongest form lol

Especially when said boss seems to be giving Ashveil and Post-Ampho TB trouble. If you buy TB still having the coreflame, then it even makes Dan Heng using IL even more nonsensical when TB, who should be on par with PT atp (arguably stronger via Mask of Elation and Path of Elation), is struggling.

This is like Naruto seeing Sasuke struggle against someone and not immediately using his strongest form. It's stupid. It also makes sense with how the Coreflames work. Remember, they are products of a simulation that has yet to come to reality. Naturally, those Coreflames should still be pure code and not yet applicable in reality. Of course, it depends on how 4.2 frames thing, but nothing you say debunks my point.



CastoriceTheFifth said:
(There’s also a statement of him using coreflame of earth outside amphoreus)
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You mean him making Ampho's creatures real? He was still in Ampho doing that, and he was explicitly using Permanence there. He probably won't be able to replicate that feat if he were outside Ampho. I think that is simply a feat for the range of his Permanence powers, rather than an indication that he can use his core flame outside the planet.
 
But genuienly wheres the statement that coreflames still exist because i played the story i dont dan heng ever saying ts 😭✌️
 
Mbpoops said:


My god shes so beautiful
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Wow uhhh....Acheron and Ei aint got nothing on that




Mbpoops said:
But genuienly wheres the statement that coreflames still exist because i played the story i dont dan heng ever saying ts 😭✌️
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They probably meant Dan Heng brought Ampho's animals into reality, but that was a Permanence thing. Georious (previous demigod of Earth) literally wanted to use the Permanence to do the same thing until Dan Heng promised him to do it himself instead.
 
Doggo said:
Wow uhhh....Acheron and Ei aint got nothing on that





They probably meant Dan Heng brought Ampho's animals into reality, but that was a Permanence thing. Georious (previous demigod of Earth) literally wanted to use the Permanence to do the same thing until Dan Heng promised him to do it himself instead.
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I mean… can we just either remove the core flames from paths or limit them to amphoreus then? Cause nanook should NOT have time manip or world clensing dragon 😭😭
 
Mbpoops said:
I mean… can we just either remove the core flames from paths or limit them to amphoreus then? Cause nanook should NOT have time manip or world clensing dragon 😭😭
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I thought those were Remembrance and Permanence specific 😭

Like, aren't the heirs based on certain paths? Destruction is an energy source, sure, but their abilities are based on the path they are meant to follow (Unless Hyacine's healing is somehow destruction-based when its abundance lmao)
 
Doggo said:
I thought those were Remembrance and Permanence specific 😭

Like, aren't the heirs based on certain paths? Destruction is an energy source, sure, but their abilities are based on the path they are meant to follow (Unless Hyacine's healing is somehow destruction-based when its abundance lmao)
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Preservation based for hyacine* but yes I AGREE
 
I kinda wanna do flamechasers vs their chrysos heir counterparts.. but that wiuld require me to finish the flamechaser profiles and theres a lot to do b4 that..
 
So I already know @Mbpoops didn't actually read the CRT at all that got the coreflames abilities added so bro is just waffling

Doggo said:
I thought those were Remembrance and Permanence specific 😭

Like, aren't the heirs based on certain paths? Destruction is an energy source, sure, but their abilities are based on the path they are meant to follow (Unless Hyacine's healing is somehow destruction-based when its abundance lmao)
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What about you. Did you read the CRT.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
So I already know @Mbpoops didn't actually read the CRT at all that got the coreflames abilities added so bro is just waffling


What about you. Did you read the CRT.
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The crt was long and after I (yes ME) added all the abilities actually while i was adding the abilities i even said it makes no sense that destruction abundance erudition etcetc have physiologies, and character specific abilities in their base kit
 
Mbpoops said:
The crt was long and after I (yes ME) added all the abilities actually while i was adding the abilities i even said it makes no sense that destruction abundance erudition etcetc have physiologies, and character specific abilities in their base kit
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1. Why is lygus’s robot physiology a base pathstrider ability?
2. Why are foxian physiology in abundance base kits?
3. Why can people who arent castorice use her BFR?
4. Why does nanook get all of these?
5. Why does nanook have irontomb’s IM2 nuke? Man if he wanted to destroy the universe just use that lol
 
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