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Ben 10 MFTL+ Anti Feats

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Grandpa Max who is MFTL+ stated that Malware does not have FTL capabilities

Update: Lord @Zamasu_Chan found a bunch of anti feats but this was seemingly never discussed in future speed CRT's
Despite being able to traverse and patrol the globe, Ben 10k doesn’t have time to hang out for himself.
Stinkfly takes 4 hours and 55 minutes to give presents across the globe. Look closely. When Stinkfly first leaves the North Pole, it's a little after 7:05 pm. He finishes exactly when it hits midnight.
Gwen struggles to dodge lightning
XLR8 gets tagged by normal lightning.
FTL Time Beast blitzes Ben and Rook. (Only seems to be FTL via teleportation)
Hex catches XLR8 with a burst of light, sending him careening in a different direction
XLR8 gets blitzed by a construction truck
Zs'Skayr always gets outpaced by light.
I just found another anti feat of XLR8 failing to dodge lasers (1:14)
XLR8 gets caught on camera
Again i found a scene of Fasttrack who was running at full speed but was outrun by a missile
Jetray fails to dodge an electricity powered blast
Even with a head start and using Time Cycles, Ben and co. almost get caught in a black hole.
It was explicitly stated that Feedback's species need to use minute voltage differences between to propel themselves to travel through a 60 year light-year wide Nebula, showing that this is not their natural speed as they literally need to be launched to do it
Feedback fails to track FTL Time Beast
Feedback is comparable to Malware in speed who is stated to not have FTL capability
Ultimate Aggregor fails to react to Grandpa's laser blast
Vilgax gets blitzed by a car
Vilgax can't dodge Grandpa's laser blast in the same episode
MFTL+ reactions Ben can't react to falling rocks

On to Ben's fastest alien, Jetray:
Each timeline features a hyperspace that allows certain characters, like Jetray, Verdona, Rook's rustbucket and the Highbreed spaceships, to travel intergalactic distances in a short amount of time. It can be accessed by creating rifts in space time or either via FTL travel.
'MFTL+' Jetray states he has to jump into hyperspace to perform a non-ftl speed feat. If Jetray was regularly MFTL+ then he wouldn’t need to go into hyperspace.
Ben needs a ship to travel to Kohtukoda instead of using Jetray
The Eye of the Beholder script states Jetray wasn't even moving light speed, he was moving near the speed of light to jump into hyperspace
Jetray is stated to be only several times the speed of sound
Ben 10 Ultimate Guidebook states Jetray flies at several times the speed of sound
Ben 10 Alien Force: The Complete Guidebook states Jet Ray can fly at several times the speed of sound
Alien Force Vol 6 Jetray Data states Jetray can move through air or water at several times the speed of sound
Ben 10 supporters gave more anti feats
Jetray is barely able to move relative to electricity blasts and a propane gas explosion is the same speed as Jetray's flight speed mid combat


Some of the Ben 10 calcs in the verse page don't work and was debunked in this thread

Kevin dodges radiation​

This calc has Kevin at FTL. Not only is there no evidence of the blast being light speed, watch carfully, and you’ll see that Kevin was aim dodging.

Travel speed feats​

Here and here are two feats that are massively FTL+ but only scale to travel speeds. Even Jetray needs to go into hyperspace to move at those speeds, showing it's not common to react at those speeds regularly.
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Current Ben 10 Speed Calcs:


I propose the verse should be downgraded back to Relativistic again for combat speed and reactions

Agree: @Damage3245 @LephyrTheRevanchist @Nierre @KingTempest @Antvasima @Maverick_Zero_X @Dalesean027

Agrees MFTL+ combat should stay but depends who scales to it: @Firestorm808 @DarkDragonMedeus @TWILIGHT-OP

Disagree: @Reiner04

Reiner pointed out some MFTL speed feats but half of them are invalid
  1. Sugilite, a member of conductoid Crystalsapien species, crossed half of the galaxy.
  2. Feedback reacting to Tachyon cannon.
  3. Flew across the Universe in order to collect Map of Infinity pieces.
  4. Gravvatack reacted to FTL timebeasts travel speed.
  5. Waybig reacted to Conquest Ray.
  6. Conductoids are stated to travel their home nebula by propelling themselves off of “minute voltage differences”. Not only should this require a lot of skill and good reaction speed to consistently pull off, but the attack speed and flight speed of Feedback’s electricity should also scale to this.
  7. Rustbucket is MFTL+.
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1. This is travel speed.
2. This might be a valid feat
3. Again this is travel speed
4. Its not unbelievable for a relativistic character to catch a FTL one since they're so close to each other. Watch and you'll see she dodges all their attacks and Gravattack only catches her when he anticipates her moves. Feedback was only able to catch her was when she was taken off guard due to being distracted by Rook or when she's literally just standing there. Also why would Rook comment on her being "appearing" to be FTL. Time beast scaling is inconsistent as Feedback failed to track time beast and Ben, Rook, Paradox and Ben 10K are almost caught in a black hole despite having a head start and using time cycles to deal with time beast. Time Beast literally blitzed Ben and Rook. And why are you using this as evidence when time beast is FTL? You're supposed to be defending MFTL and already we're seeing that the characters are struggling with time beast who isn't MFTL
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5. This might be a valid feat
6. Your own scan literally states that Feedback's species need to use minute voltage differences between to propel themselves to travel through a 60 year light-year wide Nebula. The fact that Feedback needs to be launched to do this makes it clear that he can’t naturally move at MFTL+ speeds. You talk about how this is a good reaction feat when Feedback isn't even comparable to FTL time beast.
7. This calc comes from Jetray traversing across the galaxy and we know Jetray isn't casually MFTL+ as he specifically needed to jump into hyperspace to do this feat which isn't normal for someone who is casually MFTL+

Update: I compiled a list of all the Ben 10 speed calcs i found so far here
 
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Technically, this also downgrades everyone who fighted against Malware, but I'm not right person to ask
 
Aolphl said:
Technically, this also downgrades everyone who fighted against Malware, but I'm not right person to ask
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oh
well i think more evidence is that Malware's profile states he is comparable to MFTL+ XLR8, who couldn't dodge lasers
 
Malware has MFTL+ travel speed? Most of MFTL+ scalings comes from Aggregor flying speed being combatt applicable which in result already upscales Malware and other casts combatt and reaction speed.
 
lolz
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Big fat anti feats for ben 10

i was watching ben 10 and i came across this bro literally got damaged by a metal pipe thing whatever u wanna call it and has large planet level dura Someone in my thread also found this https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Zamasu_Chan/Ben_10_and_its_hilarious_anti-feats
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Robo432343 said:
Grandpa Max who is MFTL+ stated that Malware does not have FTL capabilities
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I personally agree that Ben 10 chars should not have MFTL+ travel speed aside from a few so this is one of them agree.
Robo432343 said:
Update: Lord @Zamasu_Chan found a bunch of anti feats but this was seemingly never discussed in future speed CRT's
Despite being able to traverse and patrol the globe, Ben 10k doesn’t have time to hang out for himself.
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i'm not sure how is this an anti-feat he just doesn't have it because he does that 7/24 not like just does one time and leaves it
Robo432343 said:
Stinkfly takes 4 hours and 55 minutes to give presents across the globe. Look closely. When Stinkfly first leaves the North Pole, it's a little after 7:05 pm. He finishes exactly when it hits midnight.
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travel speed stuff
Robo432343 said:
Gwen struggles to dodge lightning. (It's real lightning because it's coming from a literal storm cloud)
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Wasn't that an alien tech stuff or smth also
Robo432343 said:
XLR8 get's tagged by normal lightning.
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that seem to be some acrobatic lacking that he can't dodge while in mid-air otherwise he dodges several lightning bolts as shown here, here and here also Grandpa dodges it with Rusbucket lol
Robo432343 said:
FTL Time Beast blitzes Ben and Rook. (Only seems to be FTL via teleportation)
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That's not teleportation he moves faster than light it just seems that it's like teleportation but isn't really, and why actually scaling FTL statements to only base FTL stuff like it can be still MFTL+ as if it is capable of blitzing/comparable ppl who have mftl+ reactions
Robo432343 said:
XLR8 gets blinded by light.
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That's Hex's spell tho but i guess that was calced at rel+ so i guess this is one of them
Robo432343 said:
XLR8 gets blitzed by a construction truck
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The truck was thrown by Vulcanus so not really an anti-feat
Robo432343 said:
Zs'Skayr always get's outpaced by light.
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guess also this is one of them
Robo432343 said:
I just found another anti feat of XLR8 failing to dodge lasers (1:14)
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offguard stuff also Rojo posseses alien technology which should make her above regular stuff and XLR8 dodges the lasers generated by Rojo as shown here
Robo432343 said:
Again i found a scene of Fasttrack who was running at full speed but was outrun by a missile
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again travel speed stuff but Fasttrack also have this feat https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...lear_fusion_grenade_from_finger_distance_away
Robo432343 said:
Jetray fails to dodge an electricity powered blast
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That's Pandor who is an alien and actually comparable to other aliens in combat and it's an energy blast which scales his attack speed

also you did the same thing with your old Ben 10 anti-feats crt, again didn't give another rating that should be choosen
 
Lort15 said:
I personally agree that Ben 10 chars should not have MFTL+ travel speed aside from a few so this is one of them agree.

i'm not sure how is this an anti-feat he just doesn't have it because he does that 7/24 not like just does one time and leaves it

travel speed stuff

Wasn't that an alien tech stuff or smth also

that seem to be some acrobatic lacking that he can't dodge while in mid-air otherwise he dodges several lightning bolts as shown here, here and here also Grandpa dodges it with Rusbucket lol

That's not teleportation he moves faster than light it just seems that it's like teleportation but isn't really, and why actually scaling FTL statements to only base FTL stuff like it can be still MFTL+ as if it is capable of blitzing/comparable ppl who have mftl+ reactions

That's Hex's spell tho but i guess that was calced at rel+ so i guess this is one of them

The truck was thrown by Vulcanus so not really an anti-feat

guess also this is one of them

offguard stuff also Rojo posseses alien technology which should make her above regular stuff and XLR8 dodges the lasers generated by Rojo as shown here

again travel speed stuff but Fasttrack also have this feat https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...lear_fusion_grenade_from_finger_distance_away

That's Pandor who is an alien and actually comparable to other aliens in combat and it's an energy blast which scales his attack speed

also you did the same thing with your old Ben 10 anti-feats crt, again didn't give another rating that should be choosen
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I propose the MHS+ and rela ratings back which is way more consistent than giving everyone MFTL+ combat, travel, and reaction speeds
 
By the way XLR8 did not dodge those lasers. If you put the video on slow mo, it shows that XLR8 attacked Rojo before she could even activate her laser weapon
 
Lort15 said:
guess also this is one
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I'd say only one of them even works as anti-feat for Z'sk (the one where he barely dodged the sun gun) since in all others he was either caught off-guard or had no where to run.

And about XLR8 not being able to react to Hex's light attack, that doesn't even makes sense when several other character can react and dodge light and laser based attacks in the show. So that had be PIS rather than anti-feat.

Fasttrack anti-feat exist but he has a feat of MFTL+ too at the same time.

Overall i can see 2 proper anti-feats in the OP.

Tahoy49574 said:
Grandpa Max downgrade when

Where does this leave Aggregor's speed tho ?
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He is not affected, so the rest of the casts downscaling from his reaction and combatt speed.
 
Why are we scaling the aliens to Aggregor when Aggregor is not consistently MFTL+ at all
 
Robo432343 said:
By the way XLR8 did not dodge those lasers. If you put the video on slow mo, it shows that XLR8 attacked Rojo before she could even activate her laser weapon
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i guess so but wasn't Ben and Gwen were reacting to those? while escaping from her at hospital, that should be okay and those are not regular lasers
 
You guys do know I addressed most of these in the old thread right? Granted my take is a bit more nuanced now, but basically you picked all the feats where the “limitation” in question can just upscale to MFTL+ so… And yeah I’m fine with Malware not having FTL flight speed as that is obviously what Max is referring to.
 
Greenshifter said:
You guys do know I addressed most of these in the old thread right? Granted my take is a bit more nuanced now, but basically you picked all the feats where the “limitation” in question can just upscale to MFTL+ so… And yeah I’m fine with Malware not having FTL flight speed as that is obviously what Max is referring to.
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Ben 10 Speed Revision

The Ben 10 speed statistics are pretty bleh if you ask me. Accepted speed feats Zs'Skayr dodges Sun Gun This calc puts Zs'Skayr at relativistic. However there's no evidence that the beam is light speed. Also despite being relativistic, he still can't dodge natural flashes of light. Here shows...
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The thread ended up getting accepted
 
MrTayman616 said:
But if it's not consistent in combat (or let's say outside his flying speed), shouldn't it be just flying speed like how it is for characters like Captain Marvel?
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Aggregor flying speed applies to his combatt and reaction since he can fight and react while flying, so it wouldn't makes sense to separate it for him. And coming to other characters, feats of reacting to MFTL+ attacks are more than anti-feats of them. Most anti-feats in the OP is about travel speed which doesn't affect combatt or reaction (except 2 as i mentioned but that are way too minor to be established as consistent)
 
Robo432343 said:
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Ben 10 Speed Revision

The Ben 10 speed statistics are pretty bleh if you ask me. Accepted speed feats Zs'Skayr dodges Sun Gun This calc puts Zs'Skayr at relativistic. However there's no evidence that the beam is light speed. Also despite being relativistic, he still can't dodge natural flashes of light. Here shows...
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The thread ended up getting accepted
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Zamasu and I agreed to debate this in private apparently, so you don’t know what happened (and neither do I since forgot). The thing is I have an interpretation with very little inconsistencies now, but it’s quite revolutionary so not sure if the site will accept it.
 
Robo432343 said:
vsbattles.com

Ben 10 Speed Revision

The Ben 10 speed statistics are pretty bleh if you ask me. Accepted speed feats Zs'Skayr dodges Sun Gun This calc puts Zs'Skayr at relativistic. However there's no evidence that the beam is light speed. Also despite being relativistic, he still can't dodge natural flashes of light. Here shows...
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The thread ended up getting accepted
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It’s kind of funny that the only anti-feat I found for Z’sk losing to the sun gun is being debated in that thread as not actually being light.
 
Reiner04 said:
Aggregor flying speed applies to his combatt and reaction since he can fight and react while flying, so it wouldn't makes sense to separate it for him. And coming to other characters, feats of reacting to MFTL+ attacks are more than anti-feats of them. Most anti-feats in the OP is about travel speed which doesn't affect combatt or reaction (except 2 as i mentioned but that are way too minor to be established as consistent)
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No
Speed: Massively FTL+ combat and reaction speed (Comparable to Ben's weaker aliens and easily reacted to Brainstorm's lightning)

The fact that the profile admits Aggregor is comparable to Ben's weaker aliens straight up goes against MFTL+ combat. Also Brainstorm's lightning is MFTL+ now????

You're using Aggregor's MFTL+ flight speed to argue that Ben 10 characters should have MFTL combat and reaction speeds even though that is not consistent at all. Ben's aliens have constantly been shown not to have these levels of speed in combat and reactions so why not actually scale them to something that's consistent
 
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Robo432343 said:
No
Speed: Massively FTL+ combat and reaction speed (Comparable to Ben's weaker aliens and easily reacted to Brainstorm's lightning)

The fact that the profile admits Aggregor is comparable to Ben's weaker aliens straight up goes against MFTL+ combat
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That's base Aggregor excuse me?
 
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