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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

Doggo said:
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One thing, I don't think I'll create a Re:Zero vsthread because I'm too lazy to count votes, so if you're still interested you can create one.

Although I think it would be better to use RAM/REM against some Jedi instead of Sith?

Because the 7-B, besides being Class K, don't have resistance to electricity, so any Sith could practically kill them.
 
LIFE AND BEYOND
Meditating within the Wellspring of Life allows a being to be-come closer to the Living Force than is possible nearly any-where else. A Force user can begin to visualize connections between living things: trees, small planets, and the animals that call them home. Then, the Force user understands the connections between the living things and inanimate ob-jects: clothing, rocks, even the ground itself.
Finally, the Force user's understanding surpasses normal notions of time. Just as the Living Force connects everything in the present, so it does through space-time itself, turning what most beings perceive as linear into an interconnected tapestry of life and the galaxy. It is here that the Force user senses the connec-tion between the Living Force and the Cosmic Force.
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Nexus of Power
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Everything's fine, nothing bad happened. The bad thing is that I'll still have this hole in my tooth for a few months, and sometimes food gets stuck in it, which is annoying.
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Maybe try eating more softer or fluidly foods, although what might be on the itenarary for Star Wars once you get better?
 
If I put Vader vs. The Roaring Knight, do you think it will be very controversial? And the idea that "Spirits/consciousnesses are Force, which is cm2, so soul hax won't work" will be controversial?
 
Epyriel said:
This and this.
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DaReaperMan said:
HA!

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Like most energy weapons, turbolasers directed invisible beams of lightspeed. The bolt seen when a weapon was fired was actually a glowing pulse traveling along the beam at less than lightspeed. The light emitted depicted the overall energy content of the beam, limiting its range. Turbolasers gained a longer range by spinning the energy beam, reducing waste glow.
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Great find by our friend @Xavis10
 
Phsccarvalho said:
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Great find by our friend @Xavis10
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Yeah I think Matthew’s blog had a similar statement for turbolasers in it.

The perhaps more interesting quote is the one on the other page that says:

“The mechanism of a turbolaser was not unlike that of a hand blaster, although it-was on a vastly lager scale. When a blaster was fired, a small volume of high-energy gas moved from the gas chamber to a conversion enabler, commonly called an XCiter. There, energy from the weapon's power source excited the gas. In the case of hand-held weapons, this was achieved with a small power pack, while a reactor or power generator was necessary with larger weapons. The excited gas passed into an actuating blaster module, where it was processed into an intense beam of energy particles, coupled with light.”
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It still calls attention to the fact that a gas particle beam is used, but coupled with the LS for turbolasers with the fact that it says they share a similar mechanism you could argue that it is more akin to like a particle accelerator beam that they somehow compacted into a handheld device through sci-fi future tech nonsense (so like 99.999999% lightspeed which is why it both gets called lightspeed and a particle beam).

Did Xavis mention what book that is from?
 
Epyriel said:
Yeah I think Matthew’s blog had a similar statement for turbolasers in it.

The perhaps more interesting quote is the one on the other page that says:



It still calls attention to the fact that a gas particle beam is used, but coupled with the LS for turbolasers with the fact that it says they share a similar mechanism you could argue that it is more akin to like a particle accelerator beam that they somehow compacted into a handheld device through sci-fi future tech nonsense (so like 99.999999% lightspeed which is why it both gets called lightspeed and a particle beam).

Did Xavis mention what book that is from?
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I think we can finally remove the “subsonic/supersonic” label from the blasters.

Since we have Obi-Wan’s relativistic calculation. Saying that most energy weapons move at that speed makes this calculation much more consistent.

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Although, since it says “most,” I’m not sure how people would accept that classification. It would be kind of weird for blasters to have a speed of “subsonic [calculation], probably speed of light.”
 
Epyriel said:
t still calls attention to the fact that a gas particle beam is used, but coupled with the LS for turbolasers with the fact that it says they share a similar mechanism you could argue that it is more akin to like a particle accelerator beam that they somehow compacted into a handheld device through sci-fi future tech nonsense (so like 99.999999% lightspeed which is why it both gets called lightspeed and a particle beam).
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I think it would be better if you or Hagane made a CRT about this.

But from what I've researched about the speed of a real-life particle beam, it seems consistent with what's said in Star Wars.

So if you want to make a quick CRT explaining that "energy weapons = real-life particle beams," I think it could work well.

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I can do it too, it's actually very straightforward. And it would also be very easy to update the characters. I just don't know if it would be a direct "Sol" or "probably Sol". Because it mentions most weapons and not "all" of them.

What do you think?
 
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Phsccarvalho said:
I think it would be better if you or Hagane made a CRT about this.

But from what I've researched about the speed of a real-life particle beam, it seems consistent with what's said in Star Wars.

So if you want to make a quick CRT explaining that "energy weapons = real-life particle beams," I think it could work well.

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I can do it too, it's actually very straightforward. And it would also be very easy to update the characters. I just don't know if it would be a direct "Sol" or "probably Sol". Because it mentions most weapons and not "all" of them.

What do you think?
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Yeah could do, we should probably do a joint CRT for both continuities since it seems they are going for the same mechanism in both since the text is like 90% copy pasted.

Could just go for the average or low end speed of a particle accelerator beam as the standard value for blasters which should be something like ~99.9999991% SOL for the LCH with the SLAC and LEP being even faster.

I’ve still got a few more days of exams to get through, but I can help out afterwards if need be.
 
Epyriel said:
Yeah could do, we should probably do a joint CRT for both continuities since it seems they are going for the same mechanism in both since the text is like 90% copy pasted.

Could just go for the average or low end speed of a particle accelerator beam as the standard value for blasters which should be something like ~99.9999991% SOL for the LCH with the SLAC and LEP being even faster.

I’ve still got a few more days of exams to get through, but I can help out afterwards if need be.
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So it would be like this: You would use the scan to compare energy weapons with real-life particle beams. And then you would use that as a minimum speed for energy weapons that don't fit into "most weapons move at this speed (of light)".

So it would be something like: Blasters ---> Relativistic+ (since particle beams move at least at x speed), possibly the speed of light (It is described that most energy weapons move at the speed of light).

Would that be it?
 
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Although, since it says “most,” I’m not sure how people would accept that classification. It would be kind of weird for blasters to have a speed of “subsonic [calculation], probably speed of light.”
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I think there's no real issue with it, since at least blasters are likened to turbolasers, so they'd still be SoL nonetheless.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
So it would be like this: You would use the scan to compare energy weapons with real-life particle beams. And then you would use that as a minimum speed for energy weapons that don't fit into "most weapons move at this speed (of light)".

So it would be something like: Blasters ---> Relativistic+ (since particle beams move at least at x speed), possibly the speed of light (It is described that most energy weapons move at the speed of light).

Would that be it?
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Thanks to the ambiguity in which weapons are being referred to in the “most energy weapons” label, I figure we might as well just use real physics to decide which should be SOL, Relativistic+, or lower.

I was thinking something like:

Any pure energy weapons -> SOL (It is stated that most energy weapons fire at the speed of light)
Any weapons that fires particle beams -> Relativistic+ (Fires a particle beam stated to move at the speed of light, and so should be comparable to the top speed of particle accelerator beams)
Other “energy” weapons that don’t fire particle beams or pure energy or get compared to other qualifying weapons -> Supersonic [In canon off of that calc, or Unknown if the calc isn’t applicable to the weapon in question] or Hypersonic [In Legends for anything that should be comparable or faster than slugthrowers off of the hypersonic statement]

Since it makes physical sense for stuff like pure lasers to be SOL (and there are no barriers to SOL for other energy weapons as long as they have no mass) while practically speaking it makes sense for something travelling at 99.999999+% to also be called “lightspeed” (since it basically is) while also making physical sense in terms of being a particle beam based off of the real science of particle accelerators.
 
Epyriel said:
Thanks to the ambiguity in which weapons are being referred to in the “most energy weapons” label, I figure we might as well just use real physics to decide which should be SOL, Relativistic+, or lower.

I was thinking something like:

Any pure energy weapons -> SOL (It is stated that most energy weapons fire at the speed of light)
Any weapons that fires particle beams -> Relativistic+ (Fires a particle beam stated to move at the speed of light, and so should be comparable to the top speed of particle accelerator beams)
Other “energy” weapons that don’t fire particle beams or pure energy or get compared to other qualifying weapons -> Supersonic [In canon off of that calc, or Unknown if the calc isn’t applicable to the weapon in question] or Hypersonic [In Legends for anything that should be comparable or faster than slugthrowers off of the hypersonic statement]

Since it makes physical sense for stuff like pure lasers to be SOL (and there are no barriers to SOL for other energy weapons as long as they have no mass) while practically speaking it makes sense for something travelling at 99.999999+% to also be called “lightspeed” (since it basically is) while also making physical sense in terms of being a particle beam based off of the real science of particle accelerators.
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I didn't quite understand why energy weapons and particle beams go together. Energy weapons fire particle beams.

I don't know if there are any weapons in Star Wars that fire particle beams that aren't energy weapons.
ENERGY WEAPONS
Laser cannons and turbolasers are based on the same principle as handheld blasters: Energy-rich gas is converted to a glowing particle beam that can melt through targets. The largest such weapons are powerful enough to crack a planet's core. Starships also use ion cannons, which overwhelm electronic systems with ionized energy bursts, and physical ordnance such as concussion missiles and proton torpedoes, whose energy warheads release clouds of high-velocity proton particles.

~ [Book] Star Wars Complete Vehicles, New Edition
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The most common weapon in the galaxy is the blaster. Favored by militaries, gangsters, rogues, and royals alike, blasters provide dependable firepower for just about any application. The concept of firing projectiles has been around since ancient times, and in some societies guns that fire physical projectiles are still in use. Thousands of years before the Galactic Civil War, these projectile weapons gave way to energy blasters that are easier to reload and more effective than the ancient weapons. No matter their specialized purpose, the basic function is largely the same. Using an energy source, often a cartridge filled with energized gas, a blaster propels a glowing particle beam at high speed.

~ [Book] The Star Wars Book
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Phsccarvalho said:
I didn't quite understand why energy weapons and particle beams go together. Energy weapons fire particle beams.

I don't know if there are any weapons in Star Wars that fire particle beams that aren't energy weapons.
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Laser beam weapons, repulsor rifles, ion weapons, energy bows, shatter beams, energy cannons, vaporizer beams, etc.

There are more energy weapons than just blasters, laser cannons, and turbolasers.
 
Epyriel said:
Laser beam weapons, repulsor rifles, ion weapons, energy bows, shatter beams, energy cannons, vaporizer beams, etc.

There are more energy weapons than just blasters, laser cannons, and turbolasers.
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But how will you differentiate them? Like, okay, turbolasers and blasters are compared, so they fall into the first category, but what about the rest?

Like, you divided them into 3 categories in your answer above. Could you give an example of each with an explanation?
 
Phsccarvalho said:
But how will you differentiate them? Like, okay, turbolasers and blasters are compared, so they fall into the first category, but what about the rest?

Like, you divided them into 3 categories in your answer above. Could you give an example of each with an explanation?
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Sure, here are some examples for the general idea:

Vaporizor beams: pure energy, laser-beam like weapon -> SOL (Has no mass, pure energy)

Beam-tubes: fires physical particle beams -> Rel+ (Has mass, should be comparable to blasters)

Energy bows: fires physical plasma bolts -> Unknown (Has mass, doesn’t fire particle beams, could easily be slower than blasters)
 
Epyriel said:
Sure, here are some examples for the general idea:

Vaporizor beams: pure energy, laser-beam like weapon -> SOL (Has no mass, pure energy)

Beam-tubes: fires physical particle beams -> Rel+ (Has mass, should be comparable to blasters)

Energy bows: fires physical plasma bolts -> Unknown (Has mass, doesn’t fire particle beams, could easily be slower than blasters)
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Well, you used Legends examples, I wanted something more canon, but that's okay.

Anyway, in canon, lasers work differently from blasters/turbolasers. Although they are still classified as energy weapons and can reach high speeds (like the Death Star's laser being FTL).

Beam-tubes: fires physical particle beams -> Rel+ (Has mass, should be comparable to blasters)
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I didn't understand, did you use the fact that they fire particle beams as a disqualifying factor because they have mass?

Because turbolasers are directly identified as SoL in the image and they fire particle beams.

In cannons, energy weapons (even turbolasers) fire particle beams.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I didn't understand, did you use the fact that they fire particle beams as a disqualifying factor because they have mass?

Because turbolasers are directly identified as SoL in the image and they fire particle beams.

In cannons, energy weapons (even turbolasers) fire particle beams.
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Yeah that is the point, they are called both SOL and explicitly highlighted as physical particle beams which use tibanna gas as ammo - which brings us to the solution of using the speed of particle accelerators since they are both essentially SOL (like a tiny fraction off from the full SOL such that colloquially you would still call it SOL) and still physical particles with mass.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Because turbolasers are directly identified as SoL in the image and they fire particle beams.

In cannons, energy weapons (even turbolasers) fire particle beams.
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They are SoL, yeah. Technically nothing with mass can get to FTL, or even SoL for that matter but oh well, fiction and such. Epyriel's likening it to our real world for a grounding in our current understanding, rightfully so.

If the Legends mechanism (which is where the statements originally come from (fact file? Insider? I don't remember)) is anything to go by then blasters are, effectively, mini particle accelerators so it'd be consistent in any one case. The difference is that canon hasn't yet integrated the part that blasters fire actual photons by virtue of the Tibanna Gas being excited to huge degrees on an atomic level. This is what gives context to that "turbolaser invisible beam" quote, albeit they're in different sources.
 
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Yeah that is the point, they are called both SOL and explicitly highlighted as physical particle beams which use tibanna gas as ammo - which brings us to the solution of using the speed of particle accelerators since they are both essentially SOL (like a tiny fraction off from the full SOL such that colloquially you would still call it SOL) and still physical particles with mass.
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If we calculate the KE of a blaster based on the concept of a real-life particle beam, what would it be?

I'm referring to this because, based on your suggestion, it wouldn't be exactly 100% of SoL, and because of that part.

Like most energy weapons, turbolasers directed invisible beams of lightspeed. The bolt seen when a weapon was fired was actually a glowing pulse traveling along the beam at less than lightspeed. The light emitted depicted the overall energy content of the beam, limiting its range. Turbolasers gained a longer range by spinning the energy beam, reducing waste glow.
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Epyriel said:
Yeah that is the point, they are called both SOL and explicitly highlighted as physical particle beams which use tibanna gas as ammo - which brings us to the solution of using the speed of particle accelerators since they are both essentially SOL (like a tiny fraction off from the full SOL such that colloquially you would still call it SOL) and still physical particles with mass.
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Also:
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The most common weapon in the galaxy is the blaster. Favored by militaries, gangsters, rogues, and royals alike, blasters provide dependable firepower for just about any application. The concept of firing projectiles has been around since ancient times, and in some societies guns that fire physical projectiles are still in use. Thousands of years before the Galactic Civil War, these projectile weapons gave way to energy blasters that are easier to reload and more effective than the ancient weapons. No matter their specialized purpose, the basic function is largely the same. Using an energy source, often a cartridge filled with energized gas, a blaster propels a glowing particle beam at high speed.

~ [Book] The Star Wars Book
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Phsccarvalho said:
If we calculate the KE of a blaster based on the concept of a real-life particle beam, what would it be?

I'm referring to this because, based on your suggestion, it wouldn't be exactly 100% of SoL, and because of that part.
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Based on real-life proton particle beam packet sizes it would be about 500 megajoules, although blasters could be using far larger numbers of particles.
 
Epyriel said:
Based on real-life proton particle beam packet sizes it would be about 500 megajoules, although blasters could be using far larger numbers of particles.
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Granted, this is using the actual IRL speed. An exception to the KE rules would need to be made to use this on site since this is using a value above the 4x newtonian value cap of 93% SOL. Although an argument could be made for using the actual speed in this case since this is based on actual particle beams in lore and would not be an outlier based on fan-calculated speeds as that rule is supposed to prevent.
 
Epyriel said:
Granted, this is using the actual IRL speed. An exception to the KE rules would need to be made to use this on site since this is using a value above the 4x newtonian value cap of 93% SOL. Although an argument could be made for using the actual speed in this case since this is based on actual particle beams in lore and would not be an outlier based on fan-calculated speeds as that rule is supposed to prevent.
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If the AP becomes too high due to relativistic speed, we can use that as justification.
ENERGY WEAPONS
Laser cannons and turbolasers are based on the same principle as handheld blasters: Energy-rich gas is converted to a glowing particle beam that can melt through targets. The largest such weapons are powerful enough to crack a planet's core. Starships also use ion cannons, which overwhelm electronic systems with ionized energy bursts, and physical ordnance such as concussion missiles and proton torpedoes, whose energy warheads release clouds of high-velocity proton particles.
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