[5-0-0] Once they get to know us, people dig us - LN Rimuru Tempest vs Anos Voldigoad

[Nonynho]

• Both sides have access to an SSD with all Chess books ever written up until 2026
• Both sides had 20s of prep
• They are playing at home in chess.com with a neutral arbiter beside each (for flavoring sake, Le Batteur is beside Rimuru and Le Juge is beside Anos, both with H-1A+ ∞layer sticks)
  • Their PC have 1Gbps ethernet connection and 64gb of RAM
  • They'll play a best of 3
  • In the first game, they'll both open with the Bongcloud

True Ultimate Slime Demon Dragon Lord Chaos Creator, Holy Will of Nature and High-King of the Tempest Jura Federation Rimuru Tempest-
@Nonynho, @Dark_Soul20189, @Astral_Trinity439, @Hecky2222, @BlackDarkness679

The Deepest Darkness Misfit Founder and Demon King of Tyranny Anos Voldigoad-

Nonynho solves s*** with chess, wow (Incon)-

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I will be honest... I don't think this is fair... Rimuru is heavily favoured with this kinda match, and won't make a mistake... And with the current justification on Anos profile, it is inevitable that he eventually will...

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

This... Isn't gonna work

 

[Nonynho]

And with the current justification on Anos profile, it is inevitable that he eventually will...

detail more on that

he should have the capability of solving chess either by himself or by analyzing the SSD.
Would he disregard the SSD?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

detail more on that

he should have the capability of solving chess either by himself or by analyzing the SSD.
Would he disregard the SSD?

He has no feats good enough to indicate that; his best feats on the profile are all around "magic." That makes it hard to compare it to Chess. So no, Anos don't solve chess (at least not with anything on the profile)

Nor does he have feats that can calculate all possible chess moves, especially within the time limit.

 

[Nonynho]

He has no feats good enough to indicate that; his best feats on the profile are all around "magic." That makes it hard to compare it to Chess. So no, Anos don't solve chess (at least not with anything on the profile)

but according to the profile he could read the books, no?

Nor does he have feats that can calculate all possible chess moves, especially within the time limit.

he moves at least in FTL and MFTL, possibly even immeasurable speed, so this seems to be the case only if he disregards the books

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

but according to the profile he could read the books, no?

And? It proves nothing about solving chess, since it can't be found in books to begin with.

he moves at least in FTL and MFTL, possibly even immeasurable speed, so this seems to be the case only if he disregards the books

And? Speed doesn't improve his intelligence; being faster doesn't mean he won't make mistakes.

 

[Nonynho]

And? It proves nothing about solving chess, since it can't be found in books to begin with.

but if he doesn't disregard the books, with processing speed surpassing supercomputers and high intellectual capabilities, he is very likely to not make mistakes too
he's just more likely than Rimuru
I think that because of messing around with many many many characters we lose grasp of what being massively faster than light actually means, specially with stupidly high intelectual capabilities

This is all to say that this ain't a stomp because it is possible to draw with bots that solve chess, you just gotta be very very good at it, and things indicate that Anos can become good enough to eventually lose once after some Armageddon games

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

This is all to say that this ain't a stomp because it is possible to draw with bots that solve chess, you just gotta be very very good at it, and things indicate that Anos can become good enough to eventually lose once after some Armageddon games

Here is the thing, Rimuru won't make a mistake since he can solve chess, and Anos will eventually, since he has no feats of being able to solve chess.

And yes, not even today's supercomputers can "solve chess", hell they can't even calculate how many possible moves there are, we only have rough estimates... Not to mention, chess bots are still getting a lot better.

My point is that Chess is not "solved" in the real world in any way, shape, or form, so no matter how much you study the world's knowledge, it won't help with that.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

but if he doesn't disregard the books, with processing speed surpassing supercomputers and high intellectual capabilities, he is very likely to not make mistakes too
he's just more likely than Rimuru
I think that because of messing around with many many many characters we lose grasp of what being massively faster than light actually means, specially with stupidly high intelectual capabilities

This is all to say that this ain't a stomp because it is possible to draw with bots that solve chess, you just gotta be very very good at it, and things indicate that Anos can become good enough to eventually lose once after some Armageddon games

Thing is
Great Safe and co's Supergenius rating is based on being able to process infinite information in finite time, and with Raphael surpassing the Supercomputer (Earth Simulator) and quantum computers, and Ciel being just very, very massively superior to Rapahel and Sage, she'd already have calculated all possible chess moves and won

 

[Nonynho]

Here is the thing, Rimuru won't make a mistake since he can solve chess, and Anos will eventually, since he has no feats of being able to solve chess.

Even then he can still get a W

Because it is not impossible for him to make a mistake and still fetch a draw, due to his thought processing and intelectual capability
And after the Bo3, if it ends in draws, there's a game type called Armageddon, where blacks have 4min and whites have 5min, and if it ends in a draw, blacks win

So Anos has a viable wincon, drawing 4 times. Stupidly unlikely but definetely not impossible... Therefore, not a stomp

 

[Nonynho]

Ah, yes, forgor to say

this was all just to justify why this ain't a stomp, but i'm 100% voting Rimuru

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Ah, yes, forgor to say

this was all just to justify why this ain't a stomp, but i'm 100% voting Rimuru

ngl, I feel like that is dirty... but alright, I fully believe this is a stomp for Rimuru, so you can guess who I am voting for...

 

[Nonynho]

ngl, I feel like that is dirty... but alright, I fully believe this is a stomp for Rimuru, so you can guess who I am voting for...

if anything, Maou Gakuin fellas can invite me to debate on the Versus Removal Thread later and i'd gladly defend our Rimuru chess W over them

 

[Glis]

I don't know how this affects the match, but Anos was shown to have the capacity to operate under atomic levels of information. He demonstrated this when he literally created a perfect replica of the town(I'm talking about billionth scale mini model) down to it's very atoms. No details missed.

That's far far FAR beyond any supercomputers could handle or even possibly reach. Anos have to be able to understand and process an astronomical states and combinations of matter just to simulate a microscopic model of the town to this perfection. And he did this in an instant, no powers besides the creation spell included. He's definitely not far from having the capacity to comprehend all possible moves in chess.

 

[Robo432343]

'The number of possible moves and games in chess is vast, famously estimated by the Shannon Number to be around 10 to the power of 120 possible game variations, which exceeds the number of atoms in the observable universe (10 to the power of 80)'

 

[Glis]

'The number of possible moves and games in chess is vast, famously estimated by the Shannon Number to be around 10 to the power of 120 possible game variations, which exceeds the number of atoms in the observable universe (10 to the power of 80)'

That's when looking at the observable universe as is. The reason I mentioned the "billionth scale" part is because Anos did not simply recreate the town, he repositioned it, redefine it's structures, and scaled it down to microscopic levels of compression in perfect precision and stability. It's not about simply materializing a 1:1 replica of something that is built by presumably 10^35 - 10^40 amount of datas, you should also account for the number of states per information Anos needed to process in order to alter and output such a model in real time. That is far more complex than simply having an overload of 10^120 of possibilities.

 

[Robo432343]

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

@Nonynho, @Dark_Soul20189

Bro forgot me (⁠눈⁠‸⁠눈⁠)

Snip

 

[Hecky2222]

Tensura fans told me Rimuru was chess teacher for fun and won tournament of chess in his past life so Rimuru FRA

 

[Nonynho]

Bro forgot me (⁠눈⁠‸⁠눈⁠)

i got shat on for counting a vote of someone who said "x should win" so now i'm only counting "i vote x"

i'd never forget hard-working fellas, i'll count now

I don't know how this affects the match, but Anos was shown to have the capacity to operate under atomic levels of information. He demonstrated this when he literally created a perfect replica of the town(I'm talking about billionth scale mini model) down to it's very atoms. No details missed.

That's far far FAR beyond any supercomputers could handle or even possibly reach. Anos have to be able to understand and process an astronomical states and combinations of matter just to simulate a microscopic model of the town to this perfection. And he did this in an instant, no powers besides the creation spell included. He's definitely not far from having the capacity to comprehend all possible moves in chess.

would he disregard the books/the ssd?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

i got shat on for counting a vote of someone who said "x should win" so now i'm only counting "i vote x"

WTH lol

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Tensura fans told me Rimuru was chess teacher for fun and won tournament of chess in his past life so Rimuru FRA

@Reiner04 and @TWILIGHT-OP, what have I told you about threatening others?

 

[Reiner04]

@Reiner04 and @TWILIGHT-OP, what have I told you about threatening others?

Hecky is tensura wanker by birth. No threats involved : )

 

[Hecky2222]

Hecky is tensura wanker by birth. No threats involved : )

Obviously I am, since I am @Astral_Trinity439 from future. So FRAing through Wankstral. He is my history, my spirit, my failure, my success(no lol)

Also once I catch you "Tensura Spy" and expose your identity to Uzair_Soul

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Also once I catch you "Tensura Spy" and expose your identity to Uzair_Soul

I swear, I have no idea how you guys keep finding my alts...

But yeah, we will have them undergo horrifying torture. That will forcefully subdue them and spill wh the work for.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

The slimy little blue bastard FRA

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Here is the thing, Rimuru won't make a mistake since he can solve chess, and Anos will eventually, since he has no feats of being able to solve chess.

And yes, not even today's supercomputers can "solve chess", hell they can't even calculate how many possible moves there are, we only have rough estimates... Not to mention, chess bots are still getting a lot better.

My point is that Chess is not "solved" in the real world in any way, shape, or form, so no matter how much you study the world's knowledge, it won't help with that.

Thing is
Great Safe and co's Supergenius rating is based on being able to process infinite information in finite time, and with Raphael surpassing the Supercomputer (Earth Simulator) and quantum computers, and Ciel being just very, very massively superior to Rapahel and Sage, she'd already have calculated all possible chess moves and won

Based on these, this would be a stomp match.

"Oh but it's technically possible for Anos to force a draw"

1. A draw is not a win. Youre telling me that, not only Anos is massively outmatched in this, but also that he can only possibly force a draw? Come on now.
2. It's a less than 1% chance scenario. Stomps dont need to be "0% chance of winning" chance to be a stomp.

Any reason for me to not close this?

 

[Hecky2222]

Is this why Tensura fans keep adding IQ feats. For chess tournaments . Gotta ask Bern for this stuff for WTC profiles

 

[Nonynho]

1. A draw is not a win. Youre telling me that, not only Anos is massively outmatched in this, but also that he can only possibly force a draw? Come on now.

A draw can be a win in this case

Even then he can still get a W

Because it is not impossible for him to make a mistake and still fetch a draw, due to his thought processing and intelectual capability
And after the Bo3, if it ends in draws, there's a game type called Armageddon, where blacks have 4min and whites have 5min, and if it ends in a draw, blacks win

So Anos has a viable wincon, drawing 4 times. Stupidly unlikely but definetely not impossible... Therefore, not a stomp

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Stupidly unlikely but definetely not impossible... Therefore, not a stomp

Yeah no

The amount of threads that would be put as a stomp under this logic is insane, heck no

 

[Nonynho]

Anos just gotta play good enough, and we have indications that, in all his profiles' currently showing, he can perform this feat

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

A draw can be a win in this case

2. It's a less than 1% chance scenario. Stomps dont need to be "0% chance of winning" to be a stomp.

 

[Nonynho]

Anos would have way more than 1% with how much he has of, again, described processing speed and intelectual capability. i'd put it in like 40%

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Anos would have way more than 1% with how much he has of, again, described processing speed and intelectual capability. i'd put it in like 40%

'Stupidly unlikely but not impossible'

Next:

'I'd put it at like 40%'

Are we serious

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I will repeat my earlier statements... I personally believe this to be a stomp, based on the current state of the 2 profiles.

 

[Nonynho]

'Stupidly unlikely but not impossible'

Next:

'I'd put it at like 40%'

Are we serious

it is my judgement, yeah
40% of chance of winning against Rimuru Tempest, for me, is a stupidly low chance because of how good he is

but 40% chance to win is still not a stomp

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Anos would have way more than 1% with how much he has of, again, described processing speed and intelectual capability. i'd put it in like 40%

Except he wouldnt. Anos has to play a very specific move, out of more than quadrillions, to have a chance of a draw.

Rimuru is literally Nigh-Omniscient and knows all possible moves.

And most of Anos' intelligence wouldnt even apply for chess.

i'd put it in like 40%

Youre just making up stuff now.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Hecky is tensura wanker by birth. No threats involved : )

What you doing here , are you a wanker as well?

 

[Nonynho]

Youre just making up stuff now.

i really thought this through, so don't come with that, please.

If you think this is better off as closed, i apologize for making a stomp thread even though that was not my intention and this can be closed.