Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Mbpoops]

Streets sayin V5 buffed Welt again

He did. Welt saving acheron from T5

 

[Doggo]

Tier 6 Honkai please

 

[Mbpoops]

Tier 6 Honkai please

We got fu hua who is unironically a T6 demon

 

[Mbpoops]

When the profiles are fixed ill make a hi3 himeko profile

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Here

At that moment in time, the mfs fighting can’t possibly be 2-A since they don’t have the conditions to nuke the universe.

This doesn't refer to self-coronation Irontomb nor the Irontomb we fought once we're back from Path Space being weakened. She's talking about the freedom of the chrysos heirs. The Chrysos Heirs including Cyrene herself as Irontomb's Heart were all supposed to be factors solely to Irontomb himself. Yet in the fight they weren't. That's why it says "it has other places to go". It meant that they're free from the shackles of Destruction in order to retaliating against the Destruction and Irontomb himself.

That's why all the Chrysos Heirs yelled out and represented their true path against Irontomb. That's why Cyrene asked us "Did you forget? I'm Amphoreus's Heart" That's what "it has other places to go meant", they weren't part of him at all for the entire fight. This is even more supported by how Third Emperor has all the Chrysos Heirs and Cyrene as it's heart solely to his power while in-game Irontomb doesn't. All this means is that Irontomb without most of his factors and solely just Khaslana had the power output to self-coronate with Nous and nuke the entire Universe. He never got weakened. It's never visually indicated that he even got weakened in the first place due to the Infinite HP.

Because then if he did not destroy it the first time, it follows that not all Sword-attacks can destroy the universe. As such, you need additional proof that the last attack was going to do that.

Since that attack isn’t exactly what destroys the universe, but the virus Irontomb spreads.

Or you can chalk this up to Irontomb still in the midst of trying to Self-Coronate and spiking energies while the Irontomb we fought after returning was still the 99% competition one. If he's still of pulling off that attack, then that means he still has the conditions to nuke the universe. Even then, the capability of destroying the entire Universe with his Virus is entirely dependent on his Path Energy to even accomplish in the first place. If he has any less or somehow got weakened, then he can't pull it off. Which also makes no sense because of how important they emphasized this clash. Even then, he is still fused with Khaslana's full power (which is the only factor he had the entire fight) and superior to him when he scratched Nanook.

 

[Mbpoops]

I mean irontomb used the attack more than once in the fight yet everyone lived including herta’s goons..

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I mean irontomb used the attack more than once in the fight yet everyone lived including herta’s goons..

Then make an entire profile dedicated to power scaling Herta's goons above Xianzhou's Loufu entire army, including their elites and battle warships who all got obliterated in a single strike.

Otherwise the Irontomb that they fought is still merged with the full power that was used to scratch Nanook and the Irontomb they fought was never weakened because the "factors" were never fused with the Irontomb we fought to begin with.

 

[Mbpoops]

This doesn't refer to self-coronation Irontomb nor the Irontomb we fought once we're back from Path Space being weakened. She's talking about the freedom of the chrysos heirs. The Chrysos Heirs including Cyrene herself as Irontomb's Heart were all supposed to be factors solely to Irontomb himself. Yet in the fight they weren't. That's why it says "it has other places to go". It meant that they're free from the shackles of Destruction in order to retaliating against the Destruction and Irontomb himself.

That's why all the Chrysos Heirs yelled out and represented their true path against Irontomb. That's why Cyrene asked us "Did you forget? I'm Amphoreus's Heart" That's what "it has other places to go meant", they weren't part of him at all for the entire fight. This is even more supported by how Third Emperor has all the Chrysos Heirs and Cyrene as it's heart solely to his power while in-game Irontomb doesn't. All this means is that Irontomb without most of his factors and solely just Khaslana had the power output to self-coronate with Nous and nuke the entire Universe. He never got weakened. It's never visually indicated that he even got weakened in the first place due to the Infinite HP.

Would this not mean hes weakened because the chrysos heirs and cyrene (this includes phainon aka HIS POWERSOURCE) arent apart of him..?

Or you can chalk this up to Irontomb still in the midst of trying to Self-Coronate and spiking energies while the Irontomb we fought after returning was still the 99% competition one. If he's still of pulling off that attack, then that means he still has the conditions to nuke the universe. Even then, the capability of destroying the entire Universe with his Virus is entirely dependent on his Path Energy to even accomplish in the first place. If he has any less or somehow got weakened, then he can't pull it off. Which also makes no sense because of how important they emphasized this clash. Even then, he is still fused with Khaslana's full power (which is the only factor he had the entire fight) and superior to him when he scratched Nanook.

He didnt nuke the universe with the attack tho its just IM2 EE virus that he spread and we know this becaude he used the attack multiple times in the fight

 

[Mbpoops]

Then make an entire profile dedicated to power scaling Herta's goons above Xianzhou's Loufu entire army, including their elites and battle warships who all got obliterated in a single strike.

You know the xienzhou also fought irontomb right? I didnt know random aah scientists scaled above full fledged soldiers

Otherwise the Irontomb that they fought is still merged with the full power that was used to scratch Nanook and the Irontomb they fought was never weakened because the "factors" were never fused with the Irontomb we fought to begin with.

This doesn't address How the attack seemingly doesnt destroy the universe after he starts spamming it. You could easily chock it up to reading comprehension blast removing his EE info 2

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Would this not mean hes weakened because the chrysos heirs and cyrene (this includes phainon aka HIS POWERSOURCE) arent apart of him..?

From what I understand. Nova was trying to say Irontomb got weakened after we went into Path Space. The issue is the factors were NEVER apart of Irontomb to begin with during the fight. They were fighting against him. He only had Khaslana and his power. He always had the power to destroy the Universe. Meaning Irontomb never got weakened, he stayed the same.

He didnt nuke the universe with the attack tho its just IM2 EE virus that he spread and we know this becaude he used the attack multiple times in the fight

And its entirely dependent on his energy output and his physicals corresponded completely to his spike in energy.

 

[Mbpoops]

From what I understand. Nova was trying to say Irontomb got weakened after we went into Path Space. The issue is the factors were NEVER apart of Irontomb to begin with during the fight. They were fighting against him. He only had Khaslana and his power. He always had the power to destroy the Universe. Meaning Irontomb never got weakened, he stayed the same.

So you agree that irontomb’s sword didnt nuke the universe but rather his EE IM2?

And its entirely dependent on his energy output and his physicals corresponded completely to his spike in energy.

Aaaaaaaand no one scales to this so whats your point

 

[SuperNova55555]

The Chrysos Heirs including Cyrene herself as Irontomb's Heart were all supposed to be factors solely to Irontomb himself. Yet in the fight they weren't. That's why it says "it has other places to go". It meant that they're free from the shackles of Destruction in order to retaliating against the Destruction and Irontomb himself.

Iirc, it's referring to this:

Unless for some reason you still think that Irontomb's factors being gone from it isn't a "debuff".

Would this not mean hes weakened because the chrysos heirs and cyrene (this includes phainon aka HIS POWERSOURCE) arent apart of him..?

Yes. That's my whole point.

Or you can chalk this up to Irontomb still in the midst of trying to Self-Coronate and spiking energies while the Irontomb we fought after returning was still the 99% competition one. If he's still of pulling off that attack, then that means he still has the conditions to nuke the universe. Even then, the capability of destroying the entire Universe with his Virus is entirely dependent on his Path Energy to even accomplish in the first place. If he has any less or somehow got weakened, then he can't pull it off. Which also makes no sense because of how important they emphasized this clash. Even then, he is still fused with Khaslana's full power (which is the only factor he had the entire fight) and superior to him when he scratched Nanook.

Ts ain't a response brochacho. I can also simply just argue that Irontomb being capable of freely using the attack in the 2nd fight, unlike in the 1st fight implies he can continuously use it but without displaying universal damage. You js rlly have no proof it automatically nukes the universe, when we know its the viruses that do that.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

So you agree that irontomb’s sword didnt nuke the universe but rather his EE IM2?

Which again is entirely dependent on his energy output to accomplish in the first place.

Aaaaaaaand no one scales to this so whats your point

Cyrene and Co?????????????? What are you on about we literally overpowered the attack and overpowered him physically with his spiked path energy.

 

[SuperNova55555]

The issue is the factors were NEVER apart of Irontomb to begin with during the fight.

Did I miss a line?

 

[Mbpoops]

Which again is entirely dependent on his energy output to accomplish in the first place.

ok..? so IT's one time energy spike allows him to info nuke to universe. again no one would scale

Cyrene and Co?????????????? What are you on about we literally overpowered the attack and overpowered him physically with his spiked path energy.

why would they scale to the universe being deleted if it was deleted by pure Info hax?? irontomb never uses the im2 universe nuke again and we know this BECAUSE HE USES THE SWORD ATTACK MULTIPLE TIMES AND THE UNIVERSE DOESNT IMPLODE

 

[Mbpoops]

ok..? so IT's one time energy spike allows him to info nuke to universe. again no one would scale

why would they scale to the universe being deleted if it was deleted by pure Info hax?? irontomb never uses the im2 universe nuke again and we know this BECAUSE HE USES THE SWORD ATTACK MULTIPLE TIMES AND THE UNIVERSE DOESNT IMPLODE

like genuienly you could just sum it up to either

A. irontomb could IM2 nuke the universe ONLY if he had a large energy spike
or
B. reading comprehension blast powernull'd his info virus (id prefer this)

 

[Voidnether]

BECAUSE HE USES THE SWORD ATTACK MULTIPLE TIMES AND THE UNIVERSE DOESNT IMPLODE

The first attack that killed all our teammate were gameplay, the second one which is the same attack that's on cutscene is the actual one and legit when we reversed this; Irontomb tried to perform the same attack but we parried it using Cyrene's arrows then we overpowered IT

 

[Mbpoops]

The first attack that killed all our teammate were gameplay,

gameplay meant to match the lore because everyone deadass dies from it???

the second one which is the same attack that's on cutscene is the actual one and legit when we reversed this;

cyrene deflected the sword.. which he uses multiple times throughout the fight and no one dies (even herta's goons) i guess planet screllum is 2-A

Irontomb tried to perform the same attack but we parried it using Cyrene's arrows then we overpowered IT

so again cyrene deflected the sword... not the info 2 which you could chalk up to reading comprehension blast negating

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

ok..? so IT's one time energy spike allows him to info nuke to universe. again no one would scale

One time energy spike???? Brother why do you think his health is that High if you think its a one time spike.

why would they scale to the universe being deleted if it was deleted by pure Info hax?? irontomb never uses the im2 universe nuke again and we know this BECAUSE HE USES THE SWORD ATTACK MULTIPLE TIMES AND THE UNIVERSE DOESNT IMPLODE

Because again it's entirely dependent on his energy output???? If it was entirely based on his hax then are you saying Chrysos Heirs just basically allowed Irontomb to nuke the Universe. You know considering they completely overpowered his attack in Phase 3.

A. irontomb could IM2 nuke the universe ONLY if he had a large energy spike
or
B. reading comprehension blast powernull'd his info virus (id prefer this)

He still had the energy spike bro. It didnt magically just dropped to zero. Otherwise why would he be tanking attacks from an amped Chrysos Heirs, why did he still have Infinite HP?

cyrene deflected the sword.. which he uses multiple times throughout the fight and no one dies (even herta's goons) i guess planet screllum is 2-A

Herta's goons solos the Xianzhou army fr. Anyways we overpowered both the attack and completely obliterated Irontomb and his core.

so again cyrene deflected the sword... not the info 2 which you could chalk up to reading comprehension blast negating

dependent on his energy which his physicals corresponded to

Did I miss a line?

Give me a minute because I deadass wasted time logging on trying to fight Echo of War Irontomb just to find out the error logs dont appear in fight.

 

[Mbpoops]

One time energy spike???? Brother why do you think his health is that High if you think its a one time spike.


Because again it's entirely dependent on his energy output???? If it was entirely based on his hax then are you saying Chrysos Heirs just basically allowed Irontomb to nuke the Universe. You know considering they completely overpowered his attack in Phase 3.

so you just admitted that he 1. cant output that same energy and 2. he doesnt have that energy in the fight are you trying to say irontomb was holding back??

He still had the energy spike bro. It didnt magically just dropped to zero. Otherwise why would he be tanking attacks from an amped Chrysos Heirs, why did he still have Infinite HP?

no one said it dropped to 0 he just cant output that energy anymore. he can tanked the amps so what that just means they're relative there isnt anything that says the heirs can take on complete irontomb

Herta's goons solos the Xianzhou army fr. Anyways we overpowered both the attack and completely obliterated Irontomb and his core.

we killed phainon? cyrene? wow good friends we are. like i said the sword attack wasnt what destroyed the universe just the info hax

dependent on his energy which his physicals corresponded to

so he doesnt have that energy anymore go it

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

so you just admitted that he 1. cant output that same energy

Bros fighting ghost. Never stated this.

2. he doesnt have that energy in the fight

Ghost x2. Never stated this at all.

are you trying to say irontomb was holding back??

Grasping right here

no one said it dropped to 0 he just cant output that energy anymore. he can tanked the amps so what that just means they're relative there isnt anything that says the heirs can take on complete irontomb

But the scaling is LITERALLY not about Complete Irontomb. You assumed something ENTIRELY different. This entire conversation was whether or not 99% Coronation Irontomb got weakened or not in Phase 3.

we killed phainon? cyrene? wow good friends we are. like i said the sword attack wasnt what destroyed the universe just the info hax

again, which is literally POWERED and DEPENDENT on his Path Energy. If Gremmy imagining an entire Galaxy scales to his physicals due to UES, and Gravity Hax destruction scaling to Welt's physicals due to UES, then so can Irontomb. Also you're fighting mad ghosts with that line.

so he doesnt have that energy anymore go it

Bros like Luigi during Luigi's Mansion. Now leave this conversation to Nova.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Give me a minute because I deadass wasted time logging on trying to fight Echo of War Irontomb just to find out the error logs dont appear in fight.

**** are you doing in Echo of War

Now leave this conversation to Nova.

I don’t even bother reading other mfs points, that’s scoopsies thingy to handle

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

B. reading comprehension blast powernull'd his info virus (id prefer this)

Wouldn't her powernulling a 2-A attack literally mean she scales to it. I literally got wiki standard diffed by someone who tried saying Tohru cannot power nullify Barney because Tohru is only country level while Barney is Star level

 

[Mbpoops]

Bros fighting ghost. Never stated this.

Ghost x2. Never stated this at all.

Grasping right here

i said he didnt destroy the universe with his sword attack you said its entirely dependant on his energy output. the fact he didnt destroy the universe means he doesnt have the same energy output. not that hard to understand

But the scaling is LITERALLY not about Complete Irontomb. You assumed something ENTIRELY different. This entire conversation was whether or not 99% Coronation Irontomb got weakened or not in Phase 3.

and this could be easily summed up to
1. im2 nuke doesnt scale to physicals
2. reading comprehension blast power nulling his universe nuke (they already have powernull on their profiles)

again, which is literally POWERED and DEPENDENT on his Path Energy. If Gremmy imagining an entire Galaxy scales to his physicals due to UES, and Gravity Hax destruction scaling to Welt's physicals due to UES, then so can Irontomb. Also you're fighting mad ghosts with that line.

i genuienly think you're extrapolating UES to the maximum rn. we might as well scale everyone to the tree because sirin made a portal to an imaginary space and shes connected to the cocoon so UES would scale her

Bros like Luigi during Luigi's Mansion. Now leave this conversation to Nova.

bro thought he did something

 

[Mbpoops]

Wouldn't her powernulling a 2-A attack literally mean she scales to it. I literally got wiki standard diffed by someone who tried saying Tohru cannot power nullify Barney because Tohru is only country level while Barney is Star level

no? its just power null why would that scale to physicals

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

**** are you doing in Echo of War

To pull out the error logs but they don't appear during Echo of War

I don’t even bother reading other mfs points, that’s scoopsies thingy to handle

Bro sounds like hes playing this game every single time

 

[Mbpoops]

To pull out the error logs but they don't appear during Echo of War

Bro sounds like hes playing this game every single time

anything but explaining why powernull and IM2 would scale to physicals

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

i said he didnt destroy the universe with his sword attack you said its entirely dependant on his energy output. the fact he didnt destroy the universe means he doesnt have the same energy output. not that hard to understand

Because we intercepted him and killed him during the clash?

and this could be easily summed up to
1. im2 nuke doesnt scale to physicals
2. reading comprehension blast power nulling his universe nuke (they already have powernull on their profiles)

The beyond emanator spiked energy output is literally what was required to nuke the Universe? And as we can see his physicals literally matched his output??

i genuienly think you're extrapolating UES to the maximum rn. we might as well scale everyone to the tree because sirin made a portal to an imaginary space and shes connected to the cocoon so UES would scale her

What in False Equivalencies are you talking about. I'm literally saying it requires his own strength and energy output to even pull off the destruction in the first place. Gravity Hax Destruction is literally still applicable to UES as shown with Welt.

no? its just power null why would that scale to physicals

Because she would literally need the energy required to nullify the hax? If this isn't a requirement then Country level Tohru perfectly negates Star level Barney fine.

 

[SuperNova55555]

anything but explaining why powernull and IM2 would scale to physicals

UES info particles

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

anything but explaining why powernull and IM2 would scale to physicals

You have never once provided any evidence for why IM2 doesn't scale to physicals while I provided several haxes that were scaled to physicals because of UES. What they all have in common is that they're ALL dependent on their energy output

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Send me a standard on the wiki where it shows it can't be scaled to UES. Brother even tried adding "EE" to the line but doesn't remember Zeno scales to Complex Multi physically from Existence Erasure hax entirely due to UES

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[Voidnether]

gameplay meant to match the lore because everyone deadass dies from it???

cyrene deflected the sword.. which he uses multiple times throughout the fight and no one dies (even herta's goons) i guess planet screllum is 2-A

so again cyrene deflected the sword... not the info 2 which you could chalk up to reading comprehension blast negating

Cyrene only deflected the sword once and that was in Phase 3, it never did deflected the sword because we know everyone dies in Phase 2 where Cyrene had to rewind causality the moment before it happened

 

[Voidnether]

anything but explaining why powernull and IM2 would scale to physicals

So are we deadass saying that Kevin, Durandal, etc destroying infinite universes purely with their own Hax isn't even 2-A anymore?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

So are we deadass saying that Kevin, Durandal, etc destroying infinite universes purely with their own Hax isn't even 2-A anymore?

Literally I got absolutely zero explanation or standard quoting as to why IM2 isn't applicable to physicals/UES when what the haxes all in common to qualify is if its dependent of its user's energy output. He genuinely thought Existence Erasure wasn't scaleable to UES when he added this

its just IM2 EE

Without realizing Zeno scales physically to his own EE hax via UES because it all requires his energy output

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

UES info particles

UES EE, UES Gravity Hax Destruction, UES Reality Warping/Subjective Reality.

 

[Voidnether]

Literally I got absolutely zero explanation or standard quoting as to why IM2 isn't applicable to physicals/UES when what the haxes all in common to qualify is if its dependent of its user's energy output. He genuinely thought Existence Erasure wasn't scaleable to UES when he added this

Without realizing Zeno scales physically to his own EE hax via UES because it all requires his energy output

No like Durandal is Low 2-C through destroying bubble world via her Hax, and like Kevin has 2-A Durability cause it took the entire HI3 including infinite parallel worlds which was stated explicitly in the fight against Deliverance Kevin

This is fr 2-A Forcefield Creation lol

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I really don’t wanna argue with the dude who fights ghosts so

UES info particles

Wanna dm about the topic

 

[Mbpoops]

No like Durandal is Low 2-C through destroying bubble world via her Hax, and like Kevin has 2-A Durability cause it took the entire HI3 including infinite parallel worlds which was stated explicitly in the fight against Deliverance Kevin

This is fr 2-A Forcefield Creation lol

1. when did durandal destroy a low 2-C bubble? especially with hax.
2. kevin shaking the worlds is not hax thats deadass a physical feat why are we comparing it to hax?

 

[Voidnether]

1. when did durandal destroy a low 2-C bubble? especially with hax.
2. kevin shaking the worlds is not hax thats deadass a physical feat why are we comparing it to hax?

1. Durandal destroyed said Low 2-C bubble with her sword the same way Kevin is able to destroy Su's 2-A leaf world which comprises of infinite possibilities by piercing it with the Judgement of Shamash, unless you wanna say that the latter doesn't qualify for any Tiers and is just Hax then shouldn't we say the same too with Durandal? Which leads to nowhere.

2. Kevin shaking the world is NOT a Tier 2 feat, what's a Tier 2 feat here is that his Forcefield is only destroyed after Kiana called up everyone on infinite parallel universes and all the players to defeat Deliverance Kevin in the end which you know his Forcefield here scales to his durability

 

[Mbpoops]

Because we intercepted him and killed him during the clash?

we intercept him every time? even times like this?

The beyond emanator spiked energy output is literally what was required to nuke the Universe? And as we can see his physicals literally matched his output??

where did his physicals match his output?????

What in False Equivalencies are you talking about. I'm literally saying it requires his own strength and energy output to even pull off the destruction in the first place. Gravity Hax Destruction is literally still applicable to UES as shown with Welt.

no it requires IM2 hax because if it was the exact same attack everytime the universe wouldve died every time he used the attack. and when did we scale welt to the star of eden? we literally have it indexed as "higher with star of eden"

Because she would literally need the energy required to nullify the hax? If this isn't a requirement then Country level Tohru perfectly negates Star level Barney fine.

well yea i dont see why power null would be bound by ap its similar to duraneg in a sense it just depends on how its used/works