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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Oh btw, I’ll prolly be nuking Cyrene Amp scaling since the Irontomb they fight is actually weaker/debuffed than the one that tried to Self-Coronate
What’s the logic behind Irontomb infinities weaker than the one at like 90-99% Self coronation completion? This is the same gang that had the power to damage Irontomb despite Infinite HP and Irontomb still having the energy output to destroy the universe? Like the same Irontomb that they damaged through Infinite HP is the same one that was about to complete self coronation and still retained its massive path energy spike.
 
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What’s the logic behind Irontomb infinities weaker than the one at like 90-99% Self coronation completion? This is the same gang that had the power to damage Irontomb despite Infinite HP and Irontomb still having the energy energy output to destroy the universe?
Because it’s not infinite HP Irontomb they’re battling. I’m not saying they’re breaking through infinite HP, I’m saying that Irontomb itself doesn’t have infinite HP in the second phase. As in, it is weaker intrinsically in the 2nd fight.
 
Because it’s not infinite HP Irontomb they’re battling. I’m not saying they’re breaking through infinite HP, I’m saying that Irontomb itself doesn’t have infinite HP in the second phase. As in, it is weaker intrinsically in the 2nd fight.
Ok but whats the difference. Irontomb canonically tanked Epic's As We've Written several times throughout Phase 3, the same one that damaged Infinite HP Tomb.



The same Irontomb has enough energy output nuke the Universe and we overpowered it as well

 
Unless Cyrene and everyone magically dropped infinities below after the first attack (which is impossible) then it was practically the same 99% Self Coronation Irontomb. (Hell you might actually just chalk the Infinite HP disappearing as something that was meant for us players so we actually track our progress against Irontomb and not just us blindlessly attacking him until some event cutscene triggers)

Didn’t I link the timestamp of bro trying to whip out the attack animation.

Also there’s a genuine importance for this clash to happen and us overpowering him in order to prevent the universe from poofing again. “We will reject this false answer”.
 
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Unless Cyrene and everyone magically dropped infinities below after the first attack (which is impossible) then it was practically the same 99% Self Coronation Irontomb. (Hell you might actually just chalk the Infinite HP disappearing as something that was meant for us players so we actually track our progress against Irontomb and not just us blindlessly attacking him until some event cutscene triggers)
Am I missing something? I said we literally got buffed whilst Irontomb got nerfed when we entered the fight again after Path Space

Didn’t I link the timestamp of bro trying to whip out the attack animation.

Also there’s a genuine importance for this clash to happen and us overpowering him in order to prevent the universe from poofing again. “We will reject this false answer”.
I’m asking because I particularly remember you defending the position that Irontomb did that attack multiple times. Did he not blow up the universe during those times either?
 
Am I missing something? I said we literally got buffed whilst Irontomb got nerfed when we entered the fight again after Path Space
Ok but I’m asking when is it ever stated or implied Irontomb every got weaken the moment we entered the fight again?

I thought it was because he lost his Infinite HP but that isn’t proof of him being weakened because he tanked Epics As We’ve Written several times canonically

I’m asking because I particularly remember you defending the position that Irontomb did that attack multiple times. Did he not blow up the universe during those times either?
Can you remind me or quote when this happened because I’m not sure what the argument for that is.

For Phase 3 specifically, he canonically only attempted the Universe attack once near the end of the fight while he says destroy erudition and we know it happened because the game forces the cutscene to happen and made an entire cutscene clash against it. It’s like how Saber canonically only used Excalibur ultimate once via the shown cutscene.
 
Ok but I’m asking when is it ever stated or implied Irontomb every got weaken the moment we entered the fight again?

I thought it was because he lost his Infinite HP but that isn’t proof of him being weakened because he tanked Epics As We’ve Written several times canonically
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Unless you think this power is applied simultaneously to both Cyrene and IT, then yea.

Can you remind me or quote when this happened because I’m not sure what the argument for that is.
You said that at the end of the first battle when they’re tryna self-coronate, IT did the big sword once in-battle and after then immediately again in-cutscene.
 
You said that at the end of the first battle when they’re tryna self-coronate, IT did the big sword once in-battle and after then immediately again in-cutscene.
obviously we were just fighting him in one of the 18 pathspaces after fight.. heh..
 
Unless you think this power is applied simultaneously to both Cyrene and IT, then yea.
Can you send the full clip of this

Also are you trying to say that neither of them are 2-A or only Cyrene and Co are 2-A and that Cyrene and Co has all the power from being buffed?

You said that at the end of the first battle when they’re tryna self-coronate, IT did the big sword once in-battle and after then immediately again in-cutscene.
Yeah. What’s wrong about me saying he was going to insta slime the universe again at the end of Phase 3, considering the heavy emphasize of that entire clash I doubt he was gonna do multiple stabs.
 
But the attack was used more than once in the fight and we seemingly tanked it and herta’s alliance
 
Can you send the full clip of this
Here

Also are you trying to say that neither of them are 2-A or only Cyrene and Co are 2-A and that Cyrene and Co has all the power from being buffed?
At that moment in time, the mfs fighting can’t possibly be 2-A since they don’t have the conditions to nuke the universe.

Yeah. What’s wrong about me saying he was going to insta slime the universe again at the end of Phase 3, considering the heavy emphasize of that entire clash I doubt he was gonna do multiple stabs.
Because then if he did not destroy it the first time, it follows that not all Sword-attacks can destroy the universe. As such, you need additional proof that the last attack was going to do that.

Since that attack isn’t exactly what destroys the universe, but the virus Irontomb spreads.
 
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