Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 4 is Real

[Zabazab]

Subaru lies all the time. He initially doubts that Reinhard can lift a dragon carriage after Shaula does it.

“The shock is winning out over the gratitude. That sounds like something even Reinhard couldn’t do.”

In Subaru’s head, Reinhard was indisputably the person most likely to do something absurd or crazy, but even he wouldn’t lift a whole carriage over his head.

He could split the world in half with the force of his sword, or walk on water, or even come back to life once, but that sort of brute strength was—

“Actually, could he? I’m not so sure anymore. Is he human?”

 

[Epiccheev]

Subaru views lifting strength the same as Akira Toriyama.
Destroy the universe? Okay.
Lift more than 1000 tons alone? Impossible

 

[VortechsTG]

I can't really keep fighting the Cecilus Agenda when Tappei is his number-1 defender. It is what it is. I'll just constantly repost that time Arakiya launched Cecilus out of a window when he tried hugging her, or Subaru's line where he thinks Cecilus is weaker than Garfiel.

Arguably, in terms of pure physical strength, this is true. Not in terms of speed, skill, hax, ap or whatever else but just raw punch-kick merchant power I think he may actually be stronger after the Mezoreia fight. I don't remember when this quote was from though

 

[Zabazab]

I don't remember when this quote was from though

Arc 10, during the Reinhard fast-travel scene from Mirula to Costuul to the capital.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Arc 10, during the Reinhard fast-travel scene from Mirula to Costuul to the capital.

this fraud doubted Cecilus in arc 10? after all that shit? He is a garf level garf glazer

 

[Trxyway]

Arguably, in terms of pure physical strength, this is true. Not in terms of speed, skill, hax, ap or whatever else but just raw punch-kick merchant power I think he may actually be stronger after the Mezoreia fight. I don't remember when this quote was from though

Cecilus fans will tell you he blitzes and one shots High tiers, until you ask them to name any blitz feat against hightiers.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Cecilus fans will tell you he blitzes and one shots High tiers, until you ask them to name any blitz feat against hightiers.

Cecilus>Reinhard>blitzed Theresia

 

[VortechsTG]

Cecilus>Reinhard>blitzed Theresia

This is kinda a good example but Theresia is, like, not even top 25 in the series in actuality . It mainly just goes to show how much Cecilus grew in arc 8. Though, arguably, him being faster than Reinhard just doesn't make sense.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

This is kinda a good example but Theresia is, like, not even top 25 in the series in actuality . It mainly just goes to show how much Cecilus grew in arc 8. Though, arguably, him being faster than Reinhard just doesn't make sense.

copium against the cecilus agenda

i think a lot of it actually is because of the haxes, cuz lets be real blitzing someone like regulus or typhon isnt very interesting

 

[Trxyway]

Cecilus>Reinhard>blitzed Theresia

Bootleg version of theresia

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Bootleg version of theresia

Theresia did not have 20 kids with Wilhelm

 

[Zabazab]

Re:Zero Season 4 day today, starting with episode 67 "The Reason To Take You With Me / Gorgeous Tiger Reloaded".

Bootleg version of theresia

Someone forgot Theresia's corpse regained her former skill and more just to try and kill Reinhard, only to get blitzed anyway.

 

[Hecky2222]

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[Epiccheev]

Subaru vs birthday minion, who wins?

 

[Zabazab]

Sandbox for Clind which I think is done? Lemme know if a forgot anything or made a mistake with him.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Looks good.

Still need to do a profile for the other dragonkin...

Re zero is such a large series, with an ever increasing cast, if I tried to do everything I wanted would spend all my time on this verse.

Side note, how does everyone feel about possibly having a "Flow Method" power page, would make managing the profiles easier whenever something comes up which scales to everyone.

We could divide it into maybe 2 or 3 levels with the top being Cecilus/Halibel/Wilhelm level and include explanations about how they straight up break logic and what not.

 

[Zabazab]

I wouldn't mind a Flow Method page, yeah.

And you're right about the cast being huge. I fins it hard to strike a balance of character importance, scaling relevance, and just having an interesting set of powers.

Alongside pages that having existed for nearly ten years with little upkeep (Ricardo, Marcos) that I'd like to give a new coat of paint, but are competing with characters more recently introduced or currently relevant in the story and are therefore simpler to work on.

 

[Fezzih_007]

I wouldn't usually share this, but I think this deserves some recognition is a very cool video.

If you know Death Battle, this is similar to It.

Spoiler: Stats for Subaru and Beatrice

They put Subaru at Mach 834, Beatrice at possible FTL speed

Subaru stats are at 0.0018 tons of TNT and Beatrice at 1 teraton. Or Small country

 

[VortechsTG]

Snip

This shit is so ass

 

[VortechsTG]

This is quite possibly the worst powerscaling video I have ever seen that isn't just some pointless phonk edit that gives whichever character they like more points for aura.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

This is quite possibly the worst powerscaling video I have ever seen that isn't just some pointless phonk edit that gives whichever character they like more points for aura.

considering the one video about cell beating metal sonic, you'd be wrong.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

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Oh hey I watched this video earlier today, fun video

 

[VortechsTG]

considering the one video about cell beating metal sonic, you'd be wrong.

That's the thing about it being the worst video I've seen. I have to have seen it. But it's ******* hard to get much worse than this where they get basic information about what their powers do wrong.

 

[Lgamer099_99]

So is Vague the top 3 of the series or am I as crazy as him

 

[Zabazab]

So is Vague the top 3 of the series or am I as crazy as him

Arguably top 10 in Sasageru IF, but I don't see how he could beat Regulus.

Attack Potency: At least Country level, likely far higher (Vague is considered to be a transcendent being on par with[1] Reinhard van Astrea, Cecilus Segmunt, and Halibel. In the Sasageru IF story, he killed Odglass and Zarestia, the Great Spirits of Water and Wind[3] respectively, and at least five more Great Spirits after them.[1] He later easily killed the Divine General Arakiya, who had fused with the powers of the Great Spirit of Earth Muspel, in under six seconds, as well as two more Great Spirits[1] in Beatrice and Loumela Ia Juukulius. Natsuki Subaru believed Vague Adgard may be an opponent on par[3] with Reid Astrea, and considered Regulus Corneas to be a flea compared to Vague.[1] In that worldline, no matter where anyone searched in the world, they would find no one who could defeat him[1]— even when challenged by Clind, Arakiya, Loumela, Madelyn, Mezoreia, Subaru, and Beatrice, Vague's victory was still certain[1])

 

[Lgamer099_99]

Arguably top 10 in Sasageru IF, but I don't see how he could beat Regulus.

Doesn't Beatrice claim regulus was nothing compared to him? His swords and authorities should be explained further more, but he seems very hard to finish off

 

[VortechsTG]

So is Vague the top 3 of the series or am I as crazy as him

He's definitely not in the top 9. Maybe 10th but I think that would be reeeeeeally stretching it given the competition. He has no way to kill Daphne and Typhon would just immediately shatter him if they ever came into conflict. And Hector as well being able to use Compression without compensation and being stated to "not be weaker" than Alter should be way stronger.

 

[VortechsTG]

Doesn't Beatrice claim regulus was nothing compared to him? His swords and authorities should be explained further more, but he seems very hard to finish off

Regulus was a far easier opponent because he likes to toy with his prey and he had a weakness that only Subaru knew about and was easier to exploit than usual because of the situation. That doesn't Make Vague stronger necessarily. But also his swords have seemingly been adequately explained and he doesn't have "authorities"; he has divine protections.

 

[Lgamer099_99]

Regulus was a far easier opponent because he likes to toy with his prey and he had a weakness that only Subaru knew about and was easier to exploit than usual because of the situation. That doesn't Make Vague stronger necessarily. But also his swords have seemingly been adequately explained and he doesn't have "authorities"; he has divine protections.

my bad yeah I had a lapsus, I meant DPs. So his swords might not have a way to bypass regulus and the others abilities huh?

 

[VortechsTG]

my bad yeah I had a lapsus, I meant DPs. So his swords might not have a way to bypass regulus and the others abilities huh?

Np. That happens lol. Anyway I don't see why he would be able to bypass Regulus' authority. So far nothing besides the dragon sword can. Maybe he could cut the connections between him and his wives but even that would probably require knowing about the wives and knowing they are related to his ability.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

i doubt he could cut the connections but its possible his wives would die in their battle by accident

 

[Lgamer099_99]

Np. That happens lol. Anyway I don't see why he would be able to bypass Regulus' authority. So far nothing besides the dragon sword can. Maybe he could cut the connections between him and his wives but even that would probably require knowing about the wives and knowing they are related to his ability.

The thing is that he should technically be harder to finish off compared to reinhard, so I am prone to think that it could be some kind of stalemate.
Man I wish Tappei will reveal more in some qnas, because statement wise he highlighted the guy so much but then he didn't give him the counters for most of hax based characters.

 

[VortechsTG]

i doubt he could cut the connections but its possible his wives would die in their battle by accident

The ones who are probably dozens of kilometers away, yeah, sure.

 

[VortechsTG]

The thing is that he should technically be harder to finish off compared to reinhard, so I am prone to think that it could be some kind of stalemate.

Why would he be harder to finish off than Reinhard? The only defensive capability he has is being a half-spirit and we know Regulus can handle full spirits fine.

Man I wish Tappei will reveal more in some qnas, because statement wise he highlighted the guy so much but then he didn't give him the counters for most of hax based characters.

He doesn't need to have counters to everyone lol. He's meant for killing spirits.

 

[Lgamer099_99]

Why would he be harder to finish off than Reinhard? The only defensive capability he has is being a half-spirit and we know Regulus can handle full spirits fine.

He doesn't need to have counters to everyone lol. He's meant for killing spirits.

Wasn't this stated just like cecilus being faster than reinhard? "Vague Adgard, was further distanced from death", must be referring to his divine protection of of Indomitability, which we still dunno exactly how it works. Even reinhard wouldn't be able to keep it on, since this is his peculiarity, not having a beating heart.

 

[VortechsTG]

Wasn't this stated just like cecilus being faster than reinhard? "Vague Adgard, was further distanced from death", must be referring to his divine protection of of Indomitability, which we still dunno exactly how it works.

We know that it gives you a boost on the brink of death and since he is a half-spirit without a beating heart it is always active. The "furthur distanced from death" statement doesn't even make sense anymore. He's closer to death than most and literally gains a power boost because of it. Tappei clearly hadn't figured out what he wanted Vague to do when he wrote that.

 

[Zabazab]

Vague is further from death because Reinhard can and has been killed, he just comes back. Vague cannot be made "dead". Anyway:

• Spirit Physiology (Vague is the world's only Spirit-Human,[1] and is capable of freely shifting between the characteristics of a human and a spirit[3])
• Greater Immortality (Types 1, 2, 3, & 7; As a Spirit-Human, Vague's lifespan is aligned with a spirit's.[3] When his flesh body is mortally wounded, he can function without issue with a mana-body.[1] Even if he is blown to pieces,[1] he can shift into a mana-body and restore his flesh body.[1] As a side-effect of his nature, Vague's heart does not beat,[1] meaning he is considered to be neither alive nor dead. Vague is stated to be further from death[4] than even Reinhard van Astrea)
• Power Absorption (With the Divine Protection of Usurpation, Vague can steal the Divine Protections of others[3] for his own permanent use)
• Adaptation & Reactive Evolution (With the Divine Protection of Adaptation, Vague can adapt to any situation and environment.[1] When his use of mana was nullified by E•M•T, this Divine Protection activated shortly after exposure and allowed him to use mana normally in spite of the spell's effect[1])
• Statistics Amplification (With the Divine Protection of Isolation, Vague's abilities are constantly enhanced when he fights alone.[1] Due to his unbeating heart, his Divine Protection of Indomitability, which should normally only activate on the verge of death, is perpetually in effect[1])
• Accelerated Development (Battle: Abilities; With the Divine Protection of Repetition, repeated movements Vague makes during battle become exponentially refined[1])
• Extrasensory Perception (Vague is able to detect and locate spirits when they use their power[1] no matter where they are in the world)
• Enhanced Senses (Vague's keen hearing can pick up distant grumbling even amidst a raging blizzard[1])
• Weapon Mastery (Vague possesses martial skill on par with the strongest beings in the world, fighting with a flawlessly precise dual-wielding sword style[1])
• Magic & Light Manipulation (Vague wields the Curse Swords Aeon, one of the Ten Enchanted Swords— they are twin blades which devour their wielder's mana to produce blades of light with corresponding sharpness[1])
• Absorption (The Curse Swords Aeon become more powerful when they kill spirits,[3] absorbing their power. Due to slaying at least seven Great Spirits in the Sasageru IF story, Aeon became far more powerful[3])

 

[VortechsTG]

Vague is further from death because Reinhard can and has been killed, he just comes back. Vague cannot be made "dead". Anyway:

If the argument is that he can't be killed because he's already not alive then, sure, I guess, but that's such a copout. For all intents and purposes destroying his soul is the same as killing him. And the quote from arc 9 treats it as some special unique thing when it's basically the same as the four greats that were also mentioned. Again, I really just don't think Tappei had thought it through yet. This was around the time he said he had white hair and "blue or gold" eyes too. He clearly hadn't thought up all the details about Vague.

Also Aeon should give NPI because he uses it to kill spirits constantly but also because that's just what a sword being exceptionally "sharp" does anyway.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Cool episode

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yeah good to know needles have a higher kill count on Subaru than Regulus' spatial shit