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Negation of all types of immortality for Takato Yogiri.
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YOU ARE NOT?!
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No he is a
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we dont care bro, adress what staff said
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He didn't kill Mitsuki, dude killed the connection between him and his dreamed world, dude still living
UEG profile is so bad that i want to send it to the Void, duplicated P&A, abilities without justification
Idk why this character even have Immortality type 6, from the scans, the character just can duplicating themselves and those clones can act and replace the original, this is just duplication and multilocation ability, i can't even see immortality from it, let alone immortality negation
The issue is how strong is his "EE"?, cause if his EE is strong enough it will just simply overpower the Low-Godly to the point it is beyong the capability of the regen
The rest is fine from your points
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He can kill Mitsuki or any character in the series. He didn’t kill Mitsuki because doing so would have caused the destruction of the entire world, not because he was incapable of killing him.
Honestly, I don’t think your comment is even worth responding to.
It was also stated in the series that he possesses parasitic immortality. The work itself said this—we’re not the ones deciding it; the author wrote it explicitly.
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I think it would be best to close the thread and apply the changes suggested by Oblivion. We have enough approvals.
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Bro, you wrote Yogiri killed Mitsuki, as in dude was killed, which is not happen in the series. What you wrote contradicted with what the series show us, and i only evaluate what is show to me
Sorry but i can't see the scan directly said he has "parasitic immortality", it say a lot but not that
yeah no, it say that a system of immortality by disperses itself into countless numbers, where is the parasitic part?
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. why are we larping anti tensura propaganda 
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Yogiri, as I told you, was able to kill the Great Sage, and the Absolute God is the strongest in the entire series—no one can reach his level, and he is omniscient. He himself stated that he cannot defeat Yogiri, and that Yogiri is capable of erasing any person, any concept, or anything at all. The author himself also stated that Yogiri can kill any character and that there is no character who can defeat him. He has repeated this multiple times, to the point that he described the matter as “pointless” to debate. You are trying to deny what was stated in the novel by both the Absolute God and the author regarding Yogiri’s abilities, and that is not appropriate.
Also, all the Instant Death characters and nearly all the gods possess every type of immortality, as I told you. It is not just the Great Sage—almost all gods and characters have this. You also denied what is written in the (UEG) profile. If you disagree, you can open another thread, but right now you cannot deny what is already established in the profiles. So please, if you object to what is stated in the UEG profile, open a separate topic for that; otherwise, you are going off-topic.
The novel describes it as parasitic immortality, where this individual can transfer their consciousness or take over other bodies after death. In fact, it is not limited to that—this ability extends to insects, bacteria, humans, and other creatures. Even bacteria are not exempt, as he can possess them after dying by moving into another body (bacteria, insects, animals, humans, etc.).
As I said, if you disagree with what is written in the profiles, you can open another topic for that. Otherwise, do not go off-topic.
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Viet isn't "disagreeing" with what's written on the profiles. He is is disagreeing with what's written on the OP.
You can show evidence citing Eugiri killing Mitsuki in his profile to back up your claim
Second part
He is saying that UEG's profile is not up to standards and as such shouldn't be used to argue in a CRT which is a valid position. You can't use an old outdated profile in a CRT to add something to another profile without the proper evidence.
Third Point
He is directly addressing the CRT.
You do not infact have "enough approval" you can apply the changes accepted by all 3 staff (UMR, Rein & Viet) after grace but for applying what Viet is against you don't have enough votes (2-1)
Since Instant Death is a controversial verse
Fujitakaverse (includes Instant Death)
And you need 3 staff votes for that
That's all also tone down the attitude Viet is a TM.
Edit: Actually I think you need an admin not a TM so either way you don't have enough approval for anything.
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Worst spy ever
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Actually you don't need admin for controversial verses, 3 thread mod votes is enough, unless the revision involves higher tier like tier 2 onward or controversial abilities
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Type 1 and 2 were rejected.
Type 4 is already possessed.
Type 5 is obvious, since he kills characters that exist outside the concept of death.
Type 6 was also rejected by Oblivion.
Type 7 is also clear, since he kills already dead characters.
Type 8 is related to the immortality of sages, which is tied to the Philosopher’s Stone.
Type 9 was also explained by Oblivion, and you can go back to his comment.
Type 3 was explained as well—gods were able to regenerate from nothing after being erased and return within a second, but Yogiri erased them and they were unable to regenerate from nothing afterward.
Logically, Type 6 immortality should also be added, because this parasitic immortality differs in how it is portrayed across works. In Instant Death, it is range-based—it spreads across the entire world, and he can possess bacteria, insects, and even other beings if his body dies.
I genuinely don’t understand what you’re arguing about.
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Is LGR(Regen and Resurrection) or Negation of all types of Immortality not deemed controversial or is it only for CM-1, IM-2 & AC-5 ? I remember reading the page for controversial abilities and I think there's an "etc" so I frankly am unsure about which abilities are considered to be "controversial" I presupposed that all types of Immortality would fit, either way the point stands so not point in arguing.
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I think this is the only one that's being argued ? You can try summarising why Eugiri can negate Type-6 ig.
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Nah I try it once they just dead.
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He was simply killed by Yogiri and couldn’t possess other bodies to survive.
He can possess anyone—even bacteria, insects, and animals—after dying from any body, as he has parasitic immortality. However, when Yogiri killed him, he was unable to possess anything in order to survive.
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Can you send some scans of this if possible ?
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This is the complete context of what he’s talking about.
But this boy was different. However he had found them, however he had
accomplished it, every single vessel in the world had been killed. Over one
million people, livestock, wild animals, insects, plants, and even miniscule
bacteria—everything that had carried his essence was gone.
Izelda began to feel fear. He wasn’t afraid of that power. He was afraid
that he might actually die. Until that point, he’d had no reason to fear one of
his vessels perishing. If it did, its memories would simply be passed to and
inherited by another. By spreading those memories to many others, he could
grow into any number of people.
But now that redundancy was gone. If he died, it would be over.
Everything would disappear. All his efforts and studies would all have been
for nothing. For the first time in over a thousand years, he felt the fear of
everything ending. Before, death had been a phenomenon that was wholly
irrelevant to him. But now it had come for him. An unavoidable end was
staring him in the face.
“A-All those people you killed! They were innocent, ordinary people! Do
you feel nothing for them?!” That was all he could think to say in his
desperation. He hoped to make the boy feel at least a small amount of regret,
but the crowd of eyes showed no response. They didn’t seem to possess a
spirit that could be shaken by such things.
“Please spare me! There should be no reason for you to kill me now!”
“I understand your power! I will never interfere with you again!”
“How long do you think I have struggled to build this up?!”
“If you came all the way here, you must want something from me, right?”
“What is it? Money? Women? I’ll give you everything! I have everything
you could want!”
Right until the very end, Izelda never knew what those eyes were
thinking.
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The High Wizard had been thoroughly eradicated. Not a single fragment
of his DNA remained anywhere.
accomplished it, every single vessel in the world had been killed. Over one
million people, livestock, wild animals, insects, plants, and even miniscule
bacteria—everything that had carried his essence was gone.
Izelda began to feel fear. He wasn’t afraid of that power. He was afraid
that he might actually die. Until that point, he’d had no reason to fear one of
his vessels perishing. If it did, its memories would simply be passed to and
inherited by another. By spreading those memories to many others, he could
grow into any number of people.
But now that redundancy was gone. If he died, it would be over.
Everything would disappear. All his efforts and studies would all have been
for nothing. For the first time in over a thousand years, he felt the fear of
everything ending. Before, death had been a phenomenon that was wholly
irrelevant to him. But now it had come for him. An unavoidable end was
staring him in the face.
“A-All those people you killed! They were innocent, ordinary people! Do
you feel nothing for them?!” That was all he could think to say in his
desperation. He hoped to make the boy feel at least a small amount of regret,
but the crowd of eyes showed no response. They didn’t seem to possess a
spirit that could be shaken by such things.
“Please spare me! There should be no reason for you to kill me now!”
“I understand your power! I will never interfere with you again!”
“How long do you think I have struggled to build this up?!”
“If you came all the way here, you must want something from me, right?”
“What is it? Money? Women? I’ll give you everything! I have everything
you could want!”
Right until the very end, Izelda never knew what those eyes were
thinking.
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The High Wizard had been thoroughly eradicated. Not a single fragment
of his DNA remained anywhere.
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If it's through death manipulation, yes.
No, he very much has Type 6. He can infect people with his DNA, and later possess them with his consciousness whenever he wants. It's also literally called a parasite.
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So far, you have been ignoring what I told you about Yogiri's Third Gate and his original state, where he can negate anything from anything else. He has even negated the relationship between a dream and the dreamer, even though the dream is part of the dreamer. After opening his Third Gate, he became capable of negating anything from anything else.
Could he, based on this, also negate immortality of Type 1 and Type 2 by negating the relationship between immortality and the character, effectively making them without their eternal life and protection from injuries?
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He has never used it on something like that, so we dont know. There is a difference between cutting people off from their abilities (like reality warping, subjective reality, powernull, and whatnot) and cutting them off from something as intrisic as Type 1 immortality, which is far more specific and weird to deal with.
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Works imo
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Izelda stated that mass extermination is of no use, and even if everyone were wiped out, it wouldn’t matter and would never stop his parasitic immortality from spreading. This indicates that his immortality is also range-dependent.
Yogiri killed and eradicated them, and he died permanently. This means his parasitic immortality was negated, because he had said that mass extermination was useless and that his parasitic immortality would continue regardless, yet it was negated, did not persist, and he died completely.
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Yogiri killed all of the hosts at once. Thats not negation. It's range. He just circumvented Izelda's immortality by wiping him all at once, so there was no other hosts for Izelda's consciousness to transport.
Differently from Type 9, Type 6 negation is not range-related. It being a range matter goes against the feat being negation.
For this to be Type 6 negation, Yogiri would've needed to somehow stop the very act itself of Izelda transporting his consciousness to another host (when the host still exists), but he never did that, he killed the hosts themselves instead of negating the action.
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I don’t understand why you possibly put 1C in his profile when his true form can erase all of existence, and his power surpasses that of the Absolute God, who can destroy the entire Final Group. I don’t see where the doubt is, especially since the story itself states that he surpasses everything and there is nothing beyond him.
To my knowledge, we now have two staff approvals, and 48 hours have passed since the thread was opened.
A staff-only thread was approved stating that simple changes—such as minor manipulations, immortality, and similar straightforward matters—can be applied with the approval of two staff members. Therefore, this thread can be closed and the changes implemented.
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His profile was already "4-A, possibly 2-B" before I applied the revisions. All I did was change the tier of the structures accordingly with the upgrades, nothing else.
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No, what I’m saying is why you wrote the words “possibly 1C” and not just 1C directly.
His true form surpasses the entire Final Group, there is nothing beyond it, and it can erase all of existence.
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Negation of immortality is a bit more complicated than immortality.
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What UMR saying is that you upgraded the cosmology and he changed the tier accordingly, it was possibly 2-A before, cosmology changed so 2-A part became 1-C, possibly stayed same since thats not related to cosmology. To remove possibly you will have to make another thread.
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Raiza, a sage, was still alive without his lungs functions (Volume 5 Chapter 15) even after Yogiri kill them; Raiza did not really have different powers from common Sages besides being able to smash through abilities (Volume 5 Chapter 14). I think it Type 2 can stay since he kill the sage without even such injuries. I do not remember if Yogiri ever kill something in such a way that it is type 1 immortality negation, although Sage Van claimed those comparable to him could be immortal (Volume 11 Chapter 7).
I think the rest looks fine.
Edit: I saw this statement about certain death can beat immortality frim Shigeto (Volume chapter 14) so it does suggest that Yogiri can do the same, also so type 1 negation might be fine.
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