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Negation of all types of immortality for Takato Yogiri.

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Azertyhuuh said:
Type 1: (Can kill beings that possess eternal life and can erase any concept, and therefore can erase the concept of eternity within the work.)
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Erasing the Concept of Eternity ≠ Negation of Immortality type-1
The former is entails erasure of a concept whereas the implication behind the negation of the latter is ageing someone to death.
Azertyhuuh said:
It’s not that he exceeds their tolerance—no one can survive the injuries he inflicts
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So it's not a negation, cool we agree.
Azertyhuuh said:
Type 3: (Can kill characters that can regenerate from nothing, and he has done so—they could not regenerate. Likewise, even high-level divine regeneration won’t help, because once Yogiri decides to kill, they will not return. So the level of divine regeneration, whether high or low, does not matter; anyone he kills is finished.)
Type 4: (Clear)
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Lots of yap without addressing what I said also blatant NLF
Azertyhuuh said:
Types 8 and 9: (Clear) but you said he cannot negate characters who embody H1A level, haha. I’ve never heard this joke, and I don’t think anyone could understand what you mean here. Therefore, no character should possess Immortality Negation Type 8.
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Correct no character should possess "Immortality Negation Type-8" without specifying the limitations and the types of Immortality. I suggest re-reading what I said it really helps especially the bolded sections.
TLDR; Killing someone ≠ Necessarily negating their Immortalities
Negation of Immortality should be followed up with a proper explanation on what it entails - the mechanism behind it and the obvious limitations.
Now I will stop here and wait for staff.
Reiner04 said:
think
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stop thinking about wanks
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Let everyone witness this injustice here. Let everyone following this topic, inside or outside the community, bear witness to this wrong.

Let everyone witness that a character capable of killing characters with all types of immortality—and with all the evidence right before them—has actually done it, yet they try to fabricate excuses out of nothing. Let everyone also witness this, so that everyone here or outside the community understands, with all due respect to all.
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Ok
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
Love how it is never your arguments or evidence that's wrong or lacking, it is always the "biased opponents" or "injustice"...

Honestly, when will this mindset of yours stop? And finally see that the true problem may be a bit closer to home....
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The problem isn’t about me—I know everyone here, and I can tell who genuinely wants to contribute and who is just opposing, and I know everything.

The act of instant death is hated by all the fans. Yogiri is a character who can do everything, yet he possesses nothing (funny, right?), and because of all the hatred, everything he can do and has done isn’t applied to his profile—they just try to invent excuses out of nothing. Even when it’s obvious, they feel the need to create excuses.

I’ve read all your comments and I know all of you. I’ve gone through all the topics. You’ve reached the point where you want to downgrade his name, remove his name, or personally remove him, or lower him to level 10. I’ve seen this here—what’s your explanation for these repeated posts (downgrade, downgrade, downgrade, removal, downgrade, removal… to the point where you want to remove his name, downgrade him, or remove the entire work so everyone can be “satisfied,” as reflected in the comments)?

I’ve said what I have to say, and I will only wait for the staff’s opinion. This topic will determine justice and reveal who truly takes sides.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
The problem isn’t about me—I know everyone here, and I can tell who genuinely wants to contribute and who is just opposing, and I know everything.

The act of instant death is hated by all the fans. Yogiri is a character who can do everything, yet he possesses nothing (funny, right?), and because of all the hatred, everything he can do and has done isn’t applied to his profile—they just try to invent excuses out of nothing. Even when it’s obvious, they feel the need to create excuses.

I’ve read all your comments and I know all of you. I’ve gone through all the topics. You’ve reached the point where you want to downgrade his name, remove his name, or personally remove him, or lower him to level 10. I’ve seen this here—what’s your explanation for these repeated posts (downgrade, downgrade, downgrade, removal, downgrade, removal… to the point where you want to remove his name, downgrade him, or remove the entire work so everyone can be “satisfied,” as reflected in the comments)?

I’ve said what I have to say, and I will only wait for the staff’s opinion. This topic will determine justice and reveal who truly takes sides.
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Stop with the damn accusations already, and stop playing the damn victim. It is not about "who is gonna contribute or not" in your case, you think all who agree are "contributing," and all who disagree are "not contributing", that truly says it all.

Stop saying everything is due to "hatred", we scale based on what we see and know about a character, which gives them some "ratings" and "abilities", the abilities you believe he should have is one thing, what the rest of us believe he has is another. What I mean is that most of us who believe he actually lacks the abilities you are claiming he has. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HATRED.

If you have actually gone through all my posts and comments, you would quite easily find I am like this with all verses. I agree with what I believe is correct; if not, I will disagree. You see, I disagree with a lot of ID, since I don't believe it is correct. If you look at my other interactions with verses, you would see the same pattern. So yes, I am more than happy to downgrade stuff I disagree with. I have done the same for Tensura, MG, Ben 10, Ninjago, and many other verses, so what's your point?

Again, I will ask you to stop playing the damn victim and instead try to scale and act like everyone else.
 
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Cipher72 said:
Erasing the Concept of Eternity ≠ Negation of Immortality type-1
The former is entails erasure of a concept whereas the implication behind the negation of the latter is ageing someone to death.

So it's not a negation, cool we agree.

Lots of yap without addressing what I said also blatant NLF

Correct no character should possess "Immortality Negation Type-8" without specifying the limitations and the types of Immortality. I suggest re-reading what I said it really helps especially the bolded sections.
TLDR; Killing someone ≠ Necessarily negating their Immortalities
Negation of Immortality should be followed up with a proper explanation on what it entails - the mechanism behind it and the obvious limitations.
Now I will stop here and wait for staff.

stop thinking about wanks
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When Yogiri opened his third gate, he became able to negate the connection between things. This happened when he unlocked the seal of his third gate. Therefore, in this true unrestricted form, he is capable of negating immortality from any character or negating anything between any two things in the work. After opening his third gate, just as he negated the connection between the dream and the dreamer, he is able to negate the relationships between things. In this form, he is capable of negating immortality from characters or negating anything about them.
 
Type 4 negation is already on the profile so I'll ignore.

Type 1 & 2: Disagree for reasons already said in this thread.

Type 3: I'd say it's fine because, while it's true that you can still regen a specific body part that yogiri killed (even if the function is lost), Yogiri can also just make you vanish entirely, which someone with Low-Godly supposedly would be able to come back from, but since they dont, it would be negation.

Type 5: I think it's fine from this.

Type 6: The only time he killed someone with Type 6 was via range, so it wouldn't qualify.

Type 7: Sure.

Type 8: Lain currently has Type 8 in the profile and Yogiri permakilled her so I suppose.

Type 9: Agree given how he killed Lain's true body via targetting her avatars that had no connection to said true body. Also, negation of Type 9 in general is always gonna be range-related one way or another given the nature of the type, so it's not an issue as long as you arent directly targetting the true body with your attacks.
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Type 4 negation is already on the profile so I'll ignore.

Type 1 & 2: Disagree for reasons already said in this thread.

Type 3: I'd say it's fine because, while it's true that you can still regen a specific body part that yogiri killed (even if the function is lost), Yogiri can also just make you vanish entirely, which someone with Low-Godly supposedly would be able to come back from, but since they dont, it would be negation.

Type 5: I think it's fine from this.

Type 6: The only time he killed someone with Type 6 was via range, so it wouldn't qualify.

Type 7: Sure.

Type 8: Lain currently has Type 8 in the profile and Yogiri permakilled her so I suppose.

Type 9: Agree given how he killed Lain's true body via targetting her avatars that had no connection to said true body. Also, negation of Type 9 in general is always gonna be range-related one way or another given the nature of the type, so it's not an issue as long as you arent directly targetting the true body with your attacks.
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When Yogiri opened his third gate, he became able to negate the connection between things. This happened when he unlocked the seal of his third gate. Therefore, in this true unrestricted form, he is capable of negating immortality from any character or negating anything between any two things in the work. After opening his third gate, just as he negated the connection between the dream and the dreamer, he is able to negate the relationships between things. In this form, he is capable of negating immortality from characters or negating anything about them.
 
After opening his third gate, Yogiri became capable of negating anything between two things, as he did with the Great Sage when he negated the connection between the dream and the dreamer. He can negate anything about one thing in relation to another. Therefore, he is able to negate the link between immortality and a character, negate all types of immortality, and negate anything else about anything after opening the third gate.
 
For UMRS REASONS SPECIFICALLY, I agree with what they put down in specific in regards to negating immortality
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Type 6: The only time he killed someone with Type 6 was via range, so it wouldn't qualify.
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Did you forget that his true form is everywhere??

Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Type 1 & 2: Disagree for reasons already said in this thread.
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After Yogiri opened his third gate, he became capable of negating anything between two things, as he did with the Great Sage when he negated the connection between the dream and the dreamer. He can negate anything about one thing from another.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Did you forget that his true form is everywhere??
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I feel like that'd disqualify it even more then (?), Immortality (Type 6) is weird because it's like a parasite and how Negation is defined for this
After Yogiri opened his third gate, he became capable of negating anything between two things, as he did with the Great Sage when he negated the connection between the dream and the dreamer. He can negate anything about one thing from another.
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Yeah but you don't need to "negate" someone who has Eternal Life, they still could be killed conventionally + to bypass Immortality (Type 2), all you have to do is deliver an attack they can't withstand which y'know isn't Negation as it's like attacking High-Godly Regeneration based on concept with info attacks
 
Voidnether said:
I feel like that'd disqualify it even more then (?), Immortality (Type 6) is weird because it's like a parasite and how Negation is defined for this
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I don’t understand what killing him from a distance has to do with not negating his immortality. This community always surprises me with its strange rules.

What matters is that you killed him. It doesn’t matter from where—you killed him, and he couldn’t survive through his parasitic immortality. Also, parasitic immortality is inherently range-dependent, since this type of character has countless copies spread across the world, and possibly even across time, and eliminating them already requires range.
Voidnether said:
Yeah but you don't need to "negate" someone who has Eternal Life, they still could be killed conventionally + to bypass Immortality (Type 2), all you have to do is deliver an attack they can't withstand which y'know isn't Negation as it's like attacking High-Godly Regeneration based on concept with info attacks
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After opening the third gate, Yogiri became capable of negating anything, regardless of its nature. He nullified the relationship between the dream and the dreamer, leaving the Great Sage separated from its own dream. In short, after opening this gate, he gained the ability to negate the connection between one thing and another.

This allows him to negate Type 1 immortality by severing the relationship between a person and their eternal existence, effectively removing their immortality. Likewise, he can negate Type 2 immortality by nullifying the connection between the immortality and the character, thereby stripping them of that immortality as well.
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
-This
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What do you think now about his third gate? After opening it, Yogiri is able to negate the relationship between things and between any two entities, just as he did with the Great Sage when he nullified the connection between the dream and the dreamer. This means he can negate Type 1 and Type 2 immortality from a character in the same way he did with the Great Sage.

Also, I think the parasitic immortality mentioned in Instant Death is related to range, since it was stated that her copies were spread everywhere. So I don’t understand why this type was rejected. You can review the text yourself to verify this point. Therefore, yes, he should be able to negate Type 6 immortality as well.
 
didnt saw it was all types I just read 7 8 9, agree with chipher, disagree with the rest for the reasons on this thread
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
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some of these (aside from the last one) are spiritual beings he's killing I'm guessing?

cause there's also a possible point to make them disappearing is more like the 'aftermath' of them dying (if there is a similar case to beings like this being killed in series rather than yogiri doing it) than yogiri's ability being the case for it beyond them being no-diff killed (though these are the last concerns I have of which by that point I can agree with type 3)
 
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Ruler_Star_Kuma said:
some of these (aside from the last one) are spiritual beings he's killing I'm guessing?

cause there's also a possible point to make them disappearing is more like the 'aftermath' of them dying (if there is a similar case to beings like this being killed in series rather than yogiri doing it) than yogiri's ability being the case for it beyond them being no-diff killed (though these are the last concerns I have of which by that point I can agree with type 3)
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Also, Yogiri can do this.
The moment she had seen
that thing, she felt like she had been dropped in the middle of hell. Death
itself had taken on human form. What confluence of coincidence and miracle
had led to its creation? Even for Miranda, who had witnessed the birth and
destruction of numerous worlds, it was a being that defied imagination. Her
ability to maintain a haughty demeanor in front of it was raw willpower. If
she had relaxed even a little, her soul would have smashed itself to pieces and
ended its own life. The eternal darkness that would lead to would seem
positively lenient compared to the true erasure that being could cause.
 
sukuna171 said:
Also, Yogiri can do this.
The moment she had seen
that thing, she felt like she had been dropped in the middle of hell. Death
itself had taken on human form. What confluence of coincidence and miracle
had led to its creation? Even for Miranda, who had witnessed the birth and
destruction of numerous worlds, it was a being that defied imagination. Her
ability to maintain a haughty demeanor in front of it was raw willpower. If
she had relaxed even a little, her soul would have smashed itself to pieces and
ended its own life. The eternal darkness that would lead to would seem
positively lenient compared to the true erasure that being could cause.
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what volume and chapte?
 
Even if he erases characters right before our eyes,
even if he manages to kill characters that possess all types of immortality,
even if he destroys worlds and erases concepts,
even if it is stated that his power is limitless, unbelievable, and surpasses the absolute god—
Even if all of this happens in front of us, we still won’t believe it. Instead, we’ll try to invent excuses out of nothing, distort reality, and do anything just to make sure he doesn’t get acknowledged for anything.
 
sukuna171 said:
Also, Yogiri can do this.
The moment she had seen
that thing, she felt like she had been dropped in the middle of hell. Death
itself had taken on human form. What confluence of coincidence and miracle
had led to its creation? Even for Miranda, who had witnessed the birth and
destruction of numerous worlds, it was a being that defied imagination. Her
ability to maintain a haughty demeanor in front of it was raw willpower. If
she had relaxed even a little, her soul would have smashed itself to pieces and
ended its own life. The eternal darkness that would lead to would seem
positively lenient compared to the true erasure that being could cause.
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Let everyone bear witness and recognize the power of his true form—it transcends the very limits of imagination itself. This text alone should be sufficient to place him at the highest level of H1A or at least H1A+.

Let everyone witness that his true form surpasses imagination itself. Everything is right in front of you, yet people still downplay him to childish tiers like 1C or H1B.
 
The Absolute God—His word is the word of the Author, and there is nothing higher than the word of the Absolute God. He himself stated that Yogiri can erase characters, and therefore no one can change this fact, because the Absolute God intervened personally and said it Himself, and no one can argue with the Absolute God.
 
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