Negation of all types of immortality for Takato Yogiri.

[Azertyhuuh]

This topic is very important and very simple. I just want everyone to be respectful and for no one to go off-topic, and that’s all.

He killed the Great Sage, who possesses immortality (Types 1, 3, 4, and 9).

He killed UEG, who possesses immortality (Types 1, 2, 3, 5, and 9), and (Types 1, 2, 3, 8, and 9).

Immortality Type 6: He can kill Iselda, who has parasitic immortality.

Immortality Type 7: He can kill dead characters.

Yogiri can also kill any person or anything.

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Agree: @Reiner04 ( Agreed on types (3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9). @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless ( Agreed on types (3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9). @Elizhaa ( Agreed on types (2 ,3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9). @Vietthai96 ( Agreed on types (4, 5, 7, 8, 9).
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Azertyhuuh]

What do you think? @Elizhaa @Reiner04 @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

You can't ping mods.

 

[Cipher72]

You can't ping mods.

Shh

 

[Mbpoops]

following

 

[sukuna171]

I guess this makes sense. I believe his negation of all forms of immortality was only removed because his ability to manipulate death was removed.

 

[Reiner04]

I think its fine.

What do you think? @Elizhaa @Reiner04 @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless

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@Elizhaa
@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless
Your opinion will be appreciated.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Immortality type 1 and 2 negation need to be removed or not included since its redundant and nonsensical for this ability.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Immortality type 1 and 2 negation need to be removed or not included since its redundant and nonsensical for this ability.

Redundant??? I don’t agree with you.

 

[Mbpoops]

Redundant??? I don’t agree with you.

i think he means it doesnt matter because immortality type 1 is just ageless immortality, they can still die by conventional means just not aging. type 2 is about the same they can just tank attacks that normal people would die to doesnt mean they cant die

 

[Azertyhuuh]

i think he means it doesnt matter because immortality type 1 is just ageless immortality, they can still die by conventional means just not aging. type 2 is about the same they can just tank attacks that normal people would die to doesnt mean they cant die

Reiner agreed, and there is only one or two approvals left. The matter will be implemented with a single phrase: (“Negation of all types of immortality.”)

This issue is important to me.

 

[Ultimuru]

Can't believe I am saying it but I agree.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Can't believe I am saying it but I agree.

Thanks, man, you’re truly a real man.

Look at Rimuru, a good person and a real man.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

I guess this makes sense. I believe his negation of all forms of immortality was only removed because his ability to manipulate death was removed.

Pretty sure it was removed because killing Type 1, Type 2, and even Type 3 (especially since the verse currently lacks HGR) does not qualify as Immortality Negation.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Pretty sure it was removed because killing Type 1, Type 2, and even Type 3 (especially since the verse currently lacks HGR) does not qualify as Immortality Negation.

We’re back to those things again. Since he can kill any character regardless of their type of immortality, that alone is enough to grant the negation of all types of immortality, and only one approval remains for it to be applied as well.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

I think its fine.

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@Elizhaa
@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless
Your opinion will be appreciated.

Are you sure?
Because the OP isn’t providing any additional evidence. You don’t get Type 1 Immortality Negation just by killing someone, do you? That’s not negation, that’s just killing.
The same applies to Type 2 and Type 3, especially since the verse currently lacks HGR, so that needs to be established first. The same goes for Type 6, his death manipulation (or rather destruction) is conceptual, but the character in question doesn’t have that level of immortality. Same goes to Types 7.

As for Type 8, and 9, I agree with those.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

We’re back to those things again. Since he can kill any character regardless of their type of immortality, that alone is enough to grant the negation of all types of immortality, and only one approval remains for it to be applied as well.

The negation here isn’t just about killing tho. Immortality Type 1 negation means the character loses their eternal life. Type 2 negation means the character no longer has superhuman level of endurance. Type 3 negation depends on the opponent’s regeneration level. Yogiri targets the concept and since the verse currently lacks HGR, so , you need to establish that first before making any further claims (which should be done in a separate thread).

 

[Azertyhuuh]

The negation here isn’t just about killing tho. Immortality Type 1 negation means the character loses their eternal life. Type 2 negation means the character no longer has superhuman level of endurance. Type 3 negation depends on the opponent’s regeneration level. Yogiri targets the concept and since the verse currently lacks HGR, so , you need to establish that first before making any further claims (which should be done in a separate thread).

Immortality (Types 1, 3, 4, 7, 8 and 9, Regeneration (Low-Godly. Could regenerate after her body was reduced to nothingness

She can regenerate from nothingness itself, yet Yogiri killed her and she was unable to regenerate from nothingness.

And as I told you, Yogiri can target and strike characters with lethal blows without causing instant death; he delivers lethal strikes to parts of their bodies through his ability, and the characters cannot survive them even if they possess Type 2 immortality. As for Type 1, it is killing entities that have eternal life, and he can even kill the concept of eternity—he is capable of erasing any concept.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

She can regenerate from nothingness itself, yet Yogiri killed her and she was unable to regenerate from nothingness.

Immortality (Types 1, 3, 4, 7, 8 and 9, Regeneration (Low-Godly. Could regenerate after her body was reduced to nothingness

It's LGR , not HGR.

And as I told you, Yogiri can target and strike characters with lethal blows without causing instant death; he delivers lethal strikes to parts of their bodies through his ability, and the characters cannot survive them even if they possess Type 2 immortality.

The lethal strike you’re referring to, was it delivered physically or through his ability? Because it’s already accepted that he can target the concept of a specific body part. Even then, you’d still need to define the character’s level and determine whether that lethal strike is above or below their demonstrated endurance.
But yeah, I’ll leave this to the mods to decide.

As for Type 1, it is killing entities that have eternal life, and he can even kill the concept of eternity—he is capable of erasing any concept.

The first part doesn’t grant Immortality Negation, but the part I bolded does. So I suggest updating your OP based on that.

 

[RemaxG1]

Let there be carnage anyways makes sense

 

[Hecky2222]

Redundant??? I don’t agree with you.

Anyone can kill Immortality Type 1, Type 2

Beside it I think revision makes sense

 

[AThe1412]

Killing a person with Immortality Type 1 doesn't grant you Immortality Type 1 Negation because all Type 1 does is make you unable to die from aging. Negating Type 1 in actuality would be somehow making the person die from old age rather than killing them.

 

[MSahla]

I think it's fine. Yogiri already has negation to Type 4 in his page. So you just need to add the rest (2,3,5,6,7,8,9)

I remember i once saw negation to all types of immortalities in his page, but that's gone.

 

[Hjdjdhf]

very important and very simple，this is right

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

I think it's fine. Yogiri already has negation to Type 4 in his page. So you just need to add the rest (2,3,5,6,7,8,9)

I remember i once saw negation to all types of immortalities in his page, but that's gone.

You can check the details and reasoning there, which the OP isn’t even addressing in his rebunk for some reason.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

agree didnt even know why this was removed lmao

 

[Tatsumi504]

I think its fine.

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@Elizhaa
@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless
Your opinion will be appreciated.

I don't think it's fine.

Scans are neither here nor on the character's pages. Immortality can be circumvented without necessarily negating it.
To negate type 1 requires making the person be able to die of old age; you can circumvent 2 by damaging the person beyond what they can reasonably survive not to mention his death manipulation is EE; type 3 can be circumvented by destroying them beyond their ability to regenerate. Yogiiri has EE that affects concepts, the verse only has LGR; type 4 & 5 is affected by the same factors as 2 & 3; he has the range to affect type 6 and can just kill all of them at once, including the mechanism that continues to propagate them; type 7 is the same with 2, 3, 4 & 5; type 8 same as above, you can just destroy what they are reliant on; type 9 also circumvented by range.

We need to know how he kills them before this can genuinely be ok

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

We need to know how he kills them before this can genuinely be ok

I think it is worth noting that Yogiri can kill them by "destroying something deeper", meaning he doesn't "negate it", but "bypass it."

 

[Shar122]

Removing the ageless immortality of a Type 1 immortal, which causing them to age and die would be considered negation of Type 1 immortality. Simply killing a Type 1 immortal is not sufficient.

Not to mention his death manipulation is EE;

It's back to Death hax btw, it's not EE anymore

Yogiri Takatou

Yogiri Takato (高遠たかとお 夜よ霧ぎり, Takatō Yogiri?) is the main protagonist of the Instant Death series and a high school student who got transported to another world by a woman called Sion. After being abandoned to die by his classmates for being powerless, and asleep, alongside Tomochika, Ayaka...

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[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Wasn't his negation of all immortalities through death hax removed because of his range surpassing other characters who could have certain types of immortalities to begin with

 

[Tatsumi504]

Removing the ageless immortality of a Type 1 immortal, which causing them to age and die would be considered negation of Type 1 immortality. Simply killing a Type 1 immortal is not sufficient.

It's back to Death hax btw, it's not EE anymore

Yogiri Takatou

Yogiri Takato (高遠たかとお 夜よ霧ぎり, Takatō Yogiri?) is the main protagonist of the Instant Death series and a high school student who got transported to another world by a woman called Sion. After being abandoned to die by his classmates for being powerless, and asleep, alongside Tomochika, Ayaka...

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still has EE though

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

UEG's Immortality section has like ZERO justifications and or links, I don't even think she's meant to have type 5 due to past crts

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I don't think it's fine.

Scans are neither here nor on the character's pages. Immortality can be circumvented without necessarily negating it.
To negate type 1 requires making the person be able to die of old age; you can circumvent 2 by damaging the person beyond what they can reasonably survive not to mention his death manipulation is EE; type 3 can be circumvented by destroying them beyond their ability to regenerate. Yogiiri has EE that affects concepts, the verse only has LGR; type 4 & 5 is affected by the same factors as 2 & 3; he has the range to affect type 6 and can just kill all of them at once, including the mechanism that continues to propagate them; type 7 is the same with 2, 3, 4 & 5; type 8 same as above, you can just destroy what they are reliant on; type 9 also circumvented by range.

We need to know how he kills them before this can genuinely be ok

Very funny.

 

[sukuna171]

No? Yogiri lost his EE. His profile just uses the word erase but the actual ability isn't there anymore

Yogiri's true form may actually possess EE.

Spoiler

I figure you don't have to defeat that thing to claim the title of "World's Strongest"—defeating every other powerhouse out there should be enough. So, let's just leave that thing alone. ...Huh? You don't care about any of that? You're saying it makes no difference to you if the "World" gets destroyed? Yeah. Well, I’m certainly not going to stop you. I’ve already given you the explanation. If you still choose to challenge it after fully understanding the risks, then go right ahead—do whatever you like. ...You’re asking if I think you can’t do it? I do. In fact, I fully expect that the end result will be your complete erasure from this "World." ...Oops. I guess that came across as a provocation. I was really just speaking my mind, though. ...And just like that, they’re gone. Sigh... Poof—vanished into thin air. Did they actually try to obliterate the entire universe that that thing inhabits? As if a feat of that magnitude would be enough to secure a victory... They really didn't understand the situation at all, did they? Whenever someone grows powerful enough to potentially impact the very fabric of the "World," their ego inevitably swells to an unmanageable size. It’s such a shame. All I really want is a friend who stands on equal footing with me—but thanks to that thing, it always ends up like this.

 

[Cipher72]

Another day another Goated thread,
Let's begin shall we
Immortality Type-1

1: Eternal Life: Characters gifted with this type of immortality cannot die from natural causes, such as old age or conventional illness, but can be killed by unnatural causes. To clarify, this type of immortality can include both those who do not age at all, and those who still grow old, but will never die of old age. However, in the case of the latter, it should be made clear that this is not just Longevity, as characters with that ability will eventually die of old age, as opposed to Eternal Life, for which dying of old age is not possible.

Unless there's explicit evidence of Eugiri negating the Immortality itself as in making the character die of old age and not just via "Unnatural causes" such as his instant death ability then no he won't get it
Next:
Immortality Type-2

2: Resilient Immortality: Characters with this degree of immortality can indefinitely survive injuries that would otherwise be lethal to a normal person, without needing to heal. This type of immortality can have different levels of effectiveness and can be bypassed, for example, by causing extremely severe wounds or the complete destruction of the body or specific parts of it, such as the head, etc.

Eugiri uses death hax to kill someone as such he is and I am quoting

circumvent 2 by damaging the person beyond what they can reasonably survive

So again not negation of type-2 per se (but I am a bit iffy on this)
Immortality Type-3
"Immortality via regeneration"

3: Immortality via regeneration: Characters with this type of immortality can simply regenerate from wounds that would normally be lethal, though its effectiveness depends on the degree of the regeneration.

This is blatantly inapplicable, there are different degrees of regeneration and as far as I am aware the verse doesn't even have HGR just LGR, as such saying Eugiri can negate type-3 implies he is capable of bypassing something like this ?

Regeneration (High-Godly [Mind, Body, Soul, Spirit, Embodiment, Power, Three Paths of Virtue, Concept: Type 3, Information, Story, History]

I am sure I can find better HGR from WOD or from later cultivation paths but this is enough to get the point across.
TLDR; The degree of regeneration negation needs to be cited
Immortality Type-4
Same as type-3
Immortality Type-5
Deathless Immortality

5: Deathless Immortality: Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as Existence Erasure are needed to destroy them.

I think this works so I agree
Immortality Type-6
Parasitic Immortality

6: Parasitic: The character is able to attain a sort of immortality by abandoning bodies whenever necessary to transfer their consciousness to another body, whether they are possessing someone else or switching to a backup body

As far as I know Eugiri does this via range so again NLF to presume he could do this to MR Dao Cultivator #999 in the Nascent stage who has his true body in supra supra Meta Qualitative layer so I feel like again a note needs to be cited or a proper explanation regarding the mechanism and entailing it's capabilities whilst clarifying it's limitations is necessary but I am fine with listing it ig
Immortality Type-7
Yes sure why not
Immortality Type-8
Again depends on the mechanism I doubt he can kill let's say some random guy who is the avatar of a H1-A
Immortality Type-9
Same as 6 but even more applicable.
That's my 5 cents and 10 minutes of my precious time.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

All these objections are about a character who can literally kill characters that possess all types of immortality.
They even deny the evidence. I’ve truly lost my mind over what’s happening to poor Yogiri. I literally understand now why everyone left this community.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Another day another Goated thread,
Let's begin shall we
Immortality Type-1

Unless there's explicit evidence of Eugiri negating the Immortality itself as in making the character die of old age and not just via "Unnatural causes" such as his instant death ability then no he won't get it
Next:
Immortality Type-2

Eugiri uses death hax to kill someone as such he is and I am quoting
So again not negation of type-2 per se (but I am a bit iffy on this)
Immortality Type-3
"Immortality via regeneration"

This is blatantly inapplicable, there are different degrees of regeneration and as far as I am aware the verse doesn't even have HGR just LGR, as such saying Eugiri can negate type-3 implies he is capable of bypassing something like this ?

I am sure I can find better HGR from WOD or from later cultivation paths but this is enough to get the point across.
TLDR; The degree of regeneration negation needs to be cited
Immortality Type-4
Same as type-3
Immortality Type-5
Deathless Immortality

I think this works so I agree
Immortality Type-6
Parasitic Immortality

As far as I know Eugiri does this via range so again NLF to presume he could do this to MR Dao Cultivator #999 in the Nascent stage who has his true body in supra supra Meta Qualitative layer so I feel like again a not needs to be cited or a proper explanation regarding the mechanism and entailing it's capabilities whilst clarifying it's limitations is necessary but I am fine with listing it ig
Immortality Type-7
Yes sure why not
Immortality Type-8
Again depends on the mechanism I doubt he can kill let's say some random guy who is the avatar of a H1-A
Immortality Type-9
Same as 6 but even more applicable.
That's my 5 cents and 10 minutes of my precious time.

Type 1: (Can kill beings that possess eternal life and can erase any concept, and therefore can erase the concept of eternity within the work.)
Type 2: (Yogiri can strike the opponent with fatal attacks without causing instant death. He can target the body with attacks without killing them, and these attacks are supposed to be survivable after some time, but their ability to survive them is useless. It’s not that he exceeds their tolerance—no one can survive the injuries he inflicts.)
Type 3: (Can kill characters that can regenerate from nothing, and he has done so—they could not regenerate. Likewise, even high-level divine regeneration won’t help, because once Yogiri decides to kill, they will not return. So the level of divine regeneration, whether high or low, does not matter; anyone he kills is finished.)
Type 4: (Clear)
Types 8 and 9: (Clear) but you said he cannot negate characters who embody H1A level, haha. I’ve never heard this joke, and I don’t think anyone could understand what you mean here. Therefore, no character should possess Immortality Negation Type 8.
Immortality 7: (Clear)
I’ve finished what I have and will wait for the staff’s opinion.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Let everyone witness this injustice here. Let everyone following this topic, inside or outside the community, bear witness to this wrong.

Let everyone witness that a character capable of killing characters with all types of immortality—and with all the evidence right before them—has actually done it, yet they try to fabricate excuses out of nothing. Let everyone also witness this, so that everyone here or outside the community understands, with all due respect to all.

 

[Wesker018]

Very funny.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Let everyone witness this injustice here. Let everyone following this topic, inside or outside the community, bear witness to this wrong.

Let everyone witness that a character capable of killing characters with all types of immortality—and with all the evidence right before them—has actually done it, yet they try to fabricate excuses out of nothing. Let everyone also witness this, so that everyone here or outside the community understands, with all due respect to all.

Love how it is never your arguments or evidence that's wrong or lacking, it is always the "biased opponents" or "injustice"...

Honestly, when will this mindset of yours stop? And finally see that the true problem may be a bit closer to home....