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The Pirate Hunter challenges another Sword Master to a duel (Roronoa Zoro{One Piece} vs Valencina{Project Moon}) 7-0-0 (Grace)
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One Piss Profits.
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I mean vsbw pages did became shorter one day so idk if that much
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Throwing semi-dead verses against op somehow equals alive threads
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Also that kinda problem of numbers of existing profiles
Like having Valencia before Angela Roland and Argalia is also kinda insane
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Idk man, maybe Valencia is a better character than them
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Valencina has 4D Resistance to Mind/Fear/Madness Manipulation so there is no way Zoro is affecting her with that.
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4D?
Holy shit what rock have you been living under? Smurf shit don't work unless it's 1-A or higher, so unless that soul is like, spread across a space-time or some shit, Zolo can effect it fine.
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Last time I checked 4D>Layers>3D, and Zoro's hax is just 3D so it's not affecting her.
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Hey, Patrick Star, that shit went away literally last year. 4D is 4Douce and is useless here.
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Valencina also has Resistance to Matter Manipulation(Quantum) so it's likely that Zoro's Durability Negation won't work on her.
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It did? When and where did that happen?
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Mid-2025. Put simply, unless you have proof of being able to condense that stuff, or effecting a 1-A and up character with it, Your ass ain't smurf, it's just range if anything at all. It's detailed on the hax page
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Ok, so how does that change the fact that Zoro still doesn't have the Hax Potency needed to affect Valencina? Cause aside from her resistance being at least 1 layer above 4D the Potency of the Mind/Fear/Madness Manipulation that she resists is also at least 6.7 Billion people.
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Prove that 6.7 billion can be condensed. Also, is that layer accepted in a CRT?
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I wasn't active during that change so thank you.
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Didn't we discussed that you need resist to specific dura neg to counter it
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Just because you resist one thing doesn't mean you resist the other.
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The source of the verses Mind/Fear/Madness Manipulation comes from the Well of Humanity(aka the Collective Unconscious) so anything in the verse that does Mind/Fear/Madness Manipulation automatically has potency equal to the entire human population of the verse.
No it's not, though I have seen some argue from other verses that 1 layer doesn't need CRT since it's not controversial/consequential enough to matter
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Why would that be relevant here
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Zoro's Durability Negation seems to be him knowing where and how he should cut in order to bypass one's durability. With that said, since Valencina has resistance to Matter Manipulation(Quantum) it's possible that Zoro won't be able to find any spot that would allow him to do that as there would be no "weakpoint" for him to exploit.
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Why would that be relevant here
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Why would that be relevant here
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Just say "I don't have any proof"
So you don't have a layer and those verses need to beat dirt.
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Basically there would be no "gap" for Zoro's sword to pass through so his Limited Durability Negation wouldn't work here.
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That's not how Zoro's durability negation works so I ask again, why would this be relevant
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This description says otherwise:
Greater Information Analysis (Capable of sensing the "Breath" of all things, allowing him to know the trajectory of something's movements before it happens as well as it's location despite not being visible to him. By doing so he can determine the speed, power and angle of where he should cut at allowing him to cut objects he otherwise couldn't with strength alone)
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I'm seriously confused on how you read this and came to the conclusion that Zoro cuts through gaps?
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My conclusion is that Zoro knows where he should target and how much speed and force he should use in order to make it easier cut through something and he can do this regardless of the difference in Durabiiity/AP so long what he's cutting is within his tier. With that said, my argument is that due to Valencina having Resistance to Matter Manipulation(Quantum) no part of her body that is less durable than the rest so there would be no spot in her body that Zoro could target that would make it easier to cut her so he won't be able to use his Limited Durability Negation here.
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I think it would be easier to link match where someone resisted zoro durability negation ngl
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Zoro doesn't just find a weakness, he creates a weakness in the object by reading and sensing it, making him grasp the perfect necessary power, timing and vital point
He doesn't target anything, it's all about how he strikes the sword which creates the weakness... His dura neg is definitely working here
Also this is untrue, it's via her blocking/deflecting that resists that. Otherwise, you're saying critical hits don't ever work on her, which is factually not the case
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I'm sorry but where he said that he created weakness
He just sensed weakness that exist
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... No (it says it bottom right), if that were the case he wouldn't have to do all of this
It's something HE is doing, that dura negs... Not him looking for a weak point.
Daz bones whole body is made of steel, that would not make sense.
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What exactly you mean by "something he doing" cuz both sensing something and determening speed power and angle to cut are normal stuff that can be done by analysing
If you wanna go "noooo it's not same cuz zoro now can cut thing he can't cut before" then same still aplies to seven assotiation that literally change resistance of thing with their analysing
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