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Ben 10: Mana page overheal and updates (Need staffs)

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This thread would fix some outdated issues in Ben 10, since some things was changes in these days/months. I'm working on it since beginning of 2026. Thx to @Lort15 & @Hellformer and @GeneralSol16 for help in this crt
1. Mana page fixing and remove outdated
Changes:
  • Add Sorcerer Physiology
  • New abilities (with add all abilities who get accepted in old threads: here and here)
  • Remove WOG and removed scans
  • Remove Pure Mana and instead add it to Basic Mana
New abilities:
Changes of abilities:
To:
To (remove Age Manip):
To:
These two will be changed to passive effects, considering that Mana is a high-quality energy described as being capable of loosening a gateway's ionic bonds at a molecular level and causing malfunctions in technology.
It's from deleted scan
Anodites are a free-spirited race of humanoid Mana beings from the planet Anodyne. Anodites are the best users of mana, as any sapient species can potentially learn to manipulate mana through study and practice. While anyone can learn to harness mana, Anodites, a race of "energy beings", are entirely comprised of mana and thus have a strong innate capacity for manipulating it and have more abilities than any other user of mana and most of their abilities don't need spells:
Just remove WOG statement due to new rule
Supernatural Willpower (Mana depends on the emotional of a user<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mana_(Ben_10)#cite_note-PUTDDTW-55"><span>[</span>55<span>]</span></a>, if their will become more stronger, the mana would be became more responsive to them, shown when Charmcaster was able to destroy her castle through anger<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mana_(Ben_10)#cite_note-Couples_Retreat-27"><span>[</span>27<span>]</span></a>, Gwen was able to broke free from Ultimate Kevin's absorption and pain effects through anger<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mana_(Ben_10)#cite_note-Absolute_Power:_Part_2-45"><span>[</span>45<span>]</span></a>, and Darkstar was able to destroy all monsters around him through anger<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mana_(Ben_10)#cite_note-Couples_Retreat-27"><span>[</span>27<span>]</span></a>.)
All of these abilities should be removed since it's from deleted scan (this scan).
All of these abilities should be removed (only from nature of Mana) since it's in passive abilities and for Mana users and Mana shield
Remove Time Manipulation and Physics Manipulation, since it's unknown what rules that Magic/Mana lacks, and it also affects by time stop.
Remove this part, since it's Resistance to Perception Manipulation.
Mana can passively malfunctions in Ultimatrix, which make Ben back to Human form
Remove this, because it's only Ultimate Aliens resist it
Simply as Gwen is only one that resist it
2. Simple Tier changes and upgrades
Upgrades:


Well, there 2 updates in tier and lifting strength:
  1. It should be upgrade all low tier to High 5-A due to update of old clac.
  2. Add "Possibly Class E" to LS for all UAF/OV characters who scales to Humungousaur due to this thread (it get accepted before)
This would change at most of character's tier, AP, durability, and etc..

Tier Changes for Mana users:


All mana users should be has Varies in their profile, as their powers are depends on place where he/she is, such as Gwen are more powerful in a forest than in a city, this would add in:
  • Gwen Tennyson
  • Charmcaster
  • Hex
  • Verdona
  • Dagon
  • Alpha Rune
3. Ben 10 Team + Intelligence updates
Profile:
Also profile has some intelligence upgrade to some characters:
Rook would get upgrade to Class P LS due to comparable to Ben.
Agree:Disagree:Neutral:
ActuallySpaceMan4,
Reiner04 (Same as ASM)
ActuallySpaceMan42 (Abstract Existence Type 1)
 
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I will commemt when available
I just want to ask you, if you can comment like
  • Abilities that you have a problem with it
(your comment)
And then say
"The rest looks good"

So that we can focus on the abilities you have a problem with, and so that it isn't too wordy
 
 
not expert, in order for it to be expert she'd have to defeat top 5 or top 10 karate masters on Earth using karate
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I'm tired of finding this
 
The current state of Ben 10 in this wiki is an exercise in haphazardly stitching together a bunch of unrelated, mostly innocuous statements that have no relevance to scaling after extrapolating the most overblown wank possible from them then seeing if you can get it all almost unanimously passed because people refuse to actually open half the links to the supposed scans of things...

I want to point out just how atrocious this is by just going over a single point, let's take a closer look at the justifications for Acausality (Type 1 & 4) & Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1):

That is not at all what is said in this scan, the OP is divorcing Beezel saying, and I quote, "There are no rules" from the context surrounding why he said this and then haphazardly stitching it to other statements that have 0 relation to it.

For the people, who might have skipped opening the scan, the context is as follows, Ben asks Beezel (the best magician in the series) why he does silly card tricks ('fake' magic) instead of real magic and he says the following:
"I hate real magic! Wanna turn a pumpkin into a carriage? poof! Broke your mother's Vase? Zap! Good as new! There are no rules. It's all just willy-nilly."

Yes, that single bolded sentence was transformed from what amounts to Beezel basically lamenting over the fact you can solve most innocuous problem with magic too easily because, like most magic in most verses, it's versatile to "Mana is BEYOND SPATIO-TEMPORAL DIMENSIONS because it has no laws"...

Notice how HE DIDN'T EVEN MENTION MANA AT ALL... He's specifically talking about the applicability of MAGIC, yet this statement is stripped of context and paraded around like it's taking about a fundamental property of all Mana as a whole...

Also Magic obviously has rules, if it didn't Gwen wouldn't need to speak incantations to perform spells, she wouldn't need to acquire certain materials/spellbooks to perform rituals or specific spells and the bulk of the things people like Hex/Charmcaster do wouldn't ******* make sense...

And in relation to my prior paragraph, before someone says something stupid like, "Well we're taking about Mana not magic", congratulations but Beezel (the source of this statement) says ******* "MAGIC" INSTEAD OF "MANA"
which includes temporal laws and is unaffected by changes in time, like when Gwen traveled back in time and made changes in past [with time being a system of cause and effect], yet Hex knew everything via mana.)
Before going forward, I just want to point out that one character learning of time travel changing the present does not in any capacity prove the claim of Mana lacking temporal laws thus should be granted BEYOND DIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE (The spatial component of this supposed lack of spatio-temporal dimensions is also absent)... But there's more—

You'll notice a trend by now that when someone says "magic", usually in reference to a SPECIFIC application of magic the OP will use "Mana" interchangeably which leads the less dedicated reader who doesn't want to spare the time to click all these pesky links into believing an APPLICATION of magic is an inherent PROPERTY of all mana...

Anyway, Charmcaster is also a magic user and was completely unaware of the timeline change... So was that timeline Gwen herself who's not only a magic user but a ******* anodite who's made of Mana seeing as how she got ******* killed by Charmcaster in that timeline

It's obvious that when Gwen asks Hex how he knew about the timeline change and he says, "Magic dear" he's implying that he personally knows other spell that gave him the knowledge of time being altered (Hell he's the owner of the ******* spellbook Gwen got the time travel spell from in the first place) not that MANA IS ACAUSAL...

Now first let's just take a quick laugh over the obvious contradiction of basically saying Mana has no laws of time in an attempt to grant it BEYOND DIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE while simultaneously showing two dimensions (one literally made of Mana) that clearly have TIME with the singular difference of the rate at which they flow right beneath the evidence of said supposed BEYOND DIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE...

Anyway having different laws than the regular universe isn't an indication if ACAUSALITY or BEYOND DIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE when those "laws" amount to:

1) The sky is parallel to the ground so flying without correcting for this with magic is disorienting
2) Time passes quicker there than outside in the main dimension

Anodite (Mana being), are said to think outside temporal conventions This makes mana an Acausal (Type 4) energy, though this does not apply to the nature of normal humans or aliens, only mana powered beings like Anodites.
This one is the funniest and the most egregious example.

When Paradox says "Think outside temporal conventions" he does not mean in a literal sense that their thoughts exist divorced from time or in an ACAUSAL state... and it's obvious once you click the scan???

To give you, who might have failed again to click the link, the context, events are as follows:

The gang meet Professor Paradox, resident Doctor Who Expy and Time traveler, while investigating a being created as a result of an time machine experiment. Paradox takes them through time, showing them the part so they get the context on how the being came about and the future to show them the consequences for the world of they don't stop it.

After this, Paradox brings them back to the present to stop the creature to which Gwen says:

"Why come back here? Why don't we travel back in time and stop the time experiment from ever happening?"

The Professor then replies with:

"Isn't it just like an energy being to think outside temporal conventions."

Anyone who is incapable of identifying how the prior statement from Gwen gives context to Paradox statement and that when he says "Think outside temporal conventions" he doesn't mean literal ACAUSALITY but more so what amounts to thinking outside the box is being intentionally obtuse.


There's more stuff like this throughout the OP, where you click a link and it's either not what the OP says is happening or a statement bent out of context and put next to a slurry of other unrelated statement, equally twisted away from their intended context to provide the most dubious interpretation possible (Everything to do with the "True Name" stuff etc.)
 
i still cant believe cm 1 got accepted but it is what it is
Definitely another produce of people's vehement refusal to engage with linked content especially in threads like this where a a truck load of things are being proposed at once.

The concept manipulation is equally garbage with links to material that literally does not say what OP claims they say.
 
You'll notice a trend by now that when someone says "magic", usually in reference to a SPECIFIC application of magic the OP will use "Mana" interchangeably which leads the less dedicated reader who doesn't want to spare the time to click all these pesky links into believing an APPLICATION of magic is an inherent PROPERTY of all mana...
It literally is.
Magic does not even exist at all, it's all Mana. The fact you don't even know that proves how much you don't know if what you are talking about.
Definitely another produce of people's vehement refusal to engage with linked content especially in threads like this where a a truck load of things are being proposed at once.

The concept manipulation is equally garbage with links to material that literally does not say what OP claims they say.
All the CM1 got accepted in multiple threads prior this one by multiple staff members, so quit yapping around.
 
list those CRTS
 
The current state of Ben 10 in this wiki is an exercise in haphazardly stitching together a bunch of unrelated, mostly innocuous statements that have no relevance to scaling after extrapolating the most overblown wank possible from them then seeing if you can get it all almost unanimously passed because people refuse to actually open half the links to the supposed scans of things...

I want to point out just how atrocious this is by just going over a single point, let's take a closer look at the justifications for Acausality (Type 1 & 4) & Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1):
There a knowledgeable members in verse, so they know verse very much
That is not at all what is said in this scan, the OP is divorcing Beezel saying, and I quote, "There are no rules" from the context surrounding why he said this and then haphazardly stitching it to other statements that have 0 relation to it.
What do you mean? Bruh the scan literally on op

For the people, who might have skipped opening the scan, the context is as follows, Ben asks Beezel (the best magician in the series) why he does silly card tricks ('fake' magic) instead of real magic and he says the following:


Yes, that single bolded sentence was transformed from what amounts to Beezel basically lamenting over the fact you can solve most innocuous problem with magic too easily because, like most magic in most verses, it's versatile to "Mana is BEYOND SPATIO-TEMPORAL DIMENSIONS because it has no laws"...
First it's not because mana has no laws, it's because there many laws in Ben 10, like Space and Time
Notice how HE DIDN'T EVEN MENTION MANA AT ALL... He's specifically talking about the applicability of MAGIC, yet this statement is stripped of context and paraded around like it's taking about a fundamental property of all Mana as a whole...
Mana is Magic in this verse (whoever magic isn't even exist in verse, only mana and true name)
Also Magic obviously has rules, if it didn't Gwen wouldn't need to speak incantations to perform spells, she wouldn't need to acquire certain materials/spellbooks to perform rituals or specific spells and the bulk of the things people like Hex/Charmcaster do wouldn't ******* make sense...
True Name (Spells)≠Mana, Mana is more fundamental than True Name.
And in relation to my prior paragraph, before someone says something stupid like, "Well we're taking about Mana not magic", congratulations but Beezel (the source of this statement) says ******* "MAGIC" INSTEAD OF "MANA"
Bruh, Mana is called Magic in verse.
Before going forward, I just want to point out that one character learning of time travel changing the present does not in any capacity prove the claim of Mana lacking temporal laws thus should be granted BEYOND DIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE (The spatial component of this supposed lack of spatio-temporal dimensions is also absent)... But there's more—
This isn't point, point is mana (remember mana is exist inside it) can still know everything was changed in timeline/timestream
You'll notice a trend by now that when someone says "magic", usually in reference to a SPECIFIC application of magic the OP will use "Mana" interchangeably which leads the less dedicated reader who doesn't want to spare the time to click all these pesky links into believing an APPLICATION of magic is an inherent PROPERTY of all mana...
Same as above
Anyway, Charmcaster is also a magic user and was completely unaware of the timeline change... So was that timeline Gwen herself who's not only a magic user but a ******* anodite who's made of Mana seeing as how she got ******* killed by Charmcaster in that timeline
This is Human Gwen, not Anodite Gwen, whoever this isn't add to Charmcaster or Human Gwen
It's obvious that when Gwen asks Hex how he knew about the timeline change and he says, "Magic dear" he's implying that he personally knows other spell that gave him the knowledge of time being altered (Hell he's the owner of the ******* spellbook Gwen got the time travel spell from in the first place) not that MANA IS ACAUSAL...
Same as above.
Now first let's just take a quick laugh over the obvious contradiction of basically saying Mana has no laws of time in an attempt to grant it BEYOND DIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE while simultaneously showing two dimensions (one literally made of Mana) that clearly have TIME with the singular difference of the rate at which they flow right beneath the evidence of said supposed BEYOND DIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE...
Because Legerdomain was made to be existing in The Universe, this is why he has different time due to Mana made it (it also prove Acausality Type 4)
Anyway having different laws than the regular universe isn't an indication if ACAUSALITY or BEYOND DIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE when those "laws" amount to:

1) The sky is parallel to the ground so flying without correcting for this with magic is disorienting
2) Time passes quicker there than outside in the main dimension
Time is system of cause and effect, so it's acausality
This one is the funniest and the most egregious example.

When Paradox says "Think outside temporal conventions" he does not mean in a literal sense that their thoughts exist divorced from time or in an ACAUSAL state... and it's obvious once you click the scan???

To give you, who might have failed again to click the link, the context, events are as follows:

The gang meet Professor Paradox, resident Doctor Who Expy and Time traveler, while investigating a being created as a result of an time machine experiment. Paradox takes them through time, showing them the part so they get the context on how the being came about and the future to show them the consequences for the world of they don't stop it.

After this, Paradox brings them back to the present to stop the creature to which Gwen says:

"Why come back here? Why don't we travel back in time and stop the time experiment from ever happening?"

The Professor then replies with:

"Isn't it just like an energy being to think outside temporal conventions."

Anyone who is incapable of identifying how the prior statement from Gwen gives context to Paradox statement and that when he says "Think outside temporal conventions" he doesn't mean literal ACAUSALITY but more so what amounts to thinking outside the box is being intentionally obtuse.
Hmmm, you have right in this.
There's more stuff like this throughout the OP, where you click a link and it's either not what the OP says is happening or a statement bent out of context and put next to a slurry of other unrelated statement, equally twisted away from their intended context to provide the most dubious interpretation possible (Everything to do with the "True Name" stuff etc.)
What do you even mean? Bruh, you can see all evidences instead of trying to get me wrong.
 
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There a knowledgeable members in verse, so they know verse very much
Yet here we are with clearly no thought out into whats in text and what's actually on the link
What do you mean? Bruh the scan literally on op
When did I say the scan wasn't there???

Point out where, if at all I said the words "Scan" alongside snh variation of "missing" to imply the scan within the link is absent.

I said the singular line about rules is being selected and separated from the context in which it was given with the OP text

You literally just wrote "Mana has no laws" when Beezel made no mention of Mana and the statement in context is just him explaining why he dislikes magic due to how easily it serves as the answer to problems, none of which has Jack shit to do with anything that comes after the word "Law" or any of the other scans you arbitrarily strung to it to form that asinine "justification"

Mana is Magic in this verse (whoever magic isn't even exist in verse, only mana and true name)
Mana is energy you use to perform magic, you cannot arbitrarily attribute randoms application of magic and spells to being inherent properties of the energy that is "Mana"

It is equivalent to saying that Chakra in Naruto is made of space and time because Space-time Ninjitsu can be performed...

Beezel literally says the words "Magic" over and over again, so no clearly it exists in verse.

True Name (Spells)≠Mana, Mana is more fundamental than True Name.
Spells are not true names, point out a single scan saying any variation of the exact words "All Spells are True Names of X".

Post it or drop the claim.

There's no hierarchy of how fundamentality between true names & mana, Mana itself is about as fundamental as basis life force. Gwen, possessed by Dagon, was draining Mana from things like trees and they just withered rather than ceased to exist which would have happened if Mana was any degree of conceptually relevant as opposed to just a variant of life force.
Bruh, Mana is called Magic in verse.
Mana is the energy used to perform magic, People like Ben and every living thing have "Mana" but that doesn't mean they can automatically perform "Magic".

If Mana = Magic in the way you imply literally every living thing would be capable of performing magic and things like having to learn spells or use spellbooks like Gwen has done throughout the series wouldn't happen
This isn't point, point is mana (remember mana is exist inside it) can still know everything was changed in timeline/timestream
Mana isn't a person, "Mana" isn't "remembering" anything, Hex didn't even "remember", he just learned of the omf timeline via means unknown.

You cannot extrapolate that to claim that Mana is Acausal especially when other people who have access to Mana remember nothing and sources of Mana like Gwen (A literal anodite) didn't "remember" shit
This is Human Gwen, not Anodite Gwen, whoever this isn't add to Charmcaster or Human Gwen
Hex is a human and he's the one that had the knowledge of the part timeline.

You can't just arbitrarily use him to claim ALL Mana is inherent Acausal then when it's pointed out that other users of Mana don't learn of the timeline change decide that now it's different.

Point out what hex has that makes him remember but then not... It can't be Mana because they have it too so clearly Mana didn't "remember" anything.
Because Legerdomain was made to be existing in The Universe, this is why he has different time due to Mana made it (it also prove Acausality Type 4)
Pocket dimension in literally every verse that exist within the bounds of the universe can have different time, that had literally 0 correlation with ACAUSALITY and again I want to point out that you managed to simultaneously claim Mana is beyond SPATIO-TEMPORAL DIMENSIONS and that a dimension entirely made of Mana has both time and space, of slightly different than normal.


You can't be serious

Time is system of cause and effect, so it's acausality
That's not how that works by your asinine logic any ******* idiot with a range limited time stop or time slow would get ACAUSALITY.

A slightly faster rate of time progression has no correlation to a different system of causality.

What do you even mean? Bruh, you can see all evidences instead of trying to get me wrong.
The "evidence" is ass
 
It literally is.
Magic does not even exist at all, it's all Mana. The fact you don't even know that proves how much you don't know if what you are talking about.
Dude, Beezel the literal ******* guy who is the greatest magician in the verse literally talks about Magic in the very bring posted in the thread.

The attempted retcon with Verdona in alien force didn't stick, Mana became a life force Expy used to fuel magic but "Magic" remains.

The fact you don't know this how uninformed you are.

Even in OPs own damn post, he uses the term magic and a seperate thing from Mana, are you all blind, deaf and incapable of basic thought?

This statement makes no sense of "Magic" isn't a thing and isn't seperate from Mana:
Mana is an fundamental conception, and the substance of magic
Its equivalent to OP saying redundant statements like "Mana is the substance of Mana" or "Oil is the substance of Oil" by both of your idiotic logics.

All the CM1 got accepted in multiple threads prior this one by multiple staff members, so quit yapping around.
Like I said, a result of Mods basically not putting this verse under any good scrutiny and refusing to click these links
 
My thing about the bio energy is that the fight with Way Big was completely one sided, Vilgax landed no hits and got super negged. Think he should just upscale from SS.
 
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