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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

AnimesFreak2 said:
I am talking moreso his power level/hierachy in the devil species

Evfen Pre Aging Arc he was clearly Primal tier if not higher even without being one himself
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There was no proof for that, the only thing that he had for his own advantage was the erasure (who also negates durability)
 
DaMonkeMan said:
Even if his power level wasn't retconned I'd say the powers themselves were. His erasure never just reset a timeline until this chapter
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Pochita says he has no idea what will happen. Does everything need to be preestablished to make it fine? I feel like its one of those risk it all moves that tons of series do. Using powers in unestablished ways used to be major moments that people liked, what happened cuz I see so many people make this point. And you could easily argue Pochita's very nature is unknown, he fits into no known fear, his main weapon stems from a rather weak fear and yet his real hax is conceptual erasure on a historical level. Why can't this just be an attribute never shown because he's never ate himself.
 
Also, in general, most devils have powers that are unrelated to what they represent.
How the **** can the Aging devil create a entire realm where they can make people immortal?
 
Falling should create a realm where people fall for eternity. Darkness should create a realm where it's dark for eternity. Leech should create a domain where people get sucked for eternity.
 
Alexander said:
Also, in general, most devils have powers that are unrelated to what they represent.
How the **** can the Aging devil create a entire realm where they can make people immortal?
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Oh yeah, even more proof for 5-B scaling.
 
Speaking of Primal Devil planet creation feats, I am wondering if we could plausibly scale the output of their creation feats to their attacks. At the very least, it would seem like a decent basis for scaling since they would be in their own category.

Does anyone have a calc for the Aging Devil creation feat? I do recall that one was made, albeit with deflating methods which incredibly downplay the feat in general.
 
ElajRuengies said:
Primal Fears never die and are innate to human consciousness, so depends on how you define "human."

~6,000,000 years at the oldest, ~440,000 at the youngest. Aging's World Creation calc assumes 6 million, getting ~300 Megatons/second / Mountain level. If 440k was used, it'd yield ~4 Gigatons/second, or Large Mountain level.

Considering there's two mountains in the background with the snow, both ends also are intuitive at a glance, which is hilarious because like-

On one hand, the calc is massively highballed since it assumes Planet Creation, but on the other, the calc is massively lowballed since it assumes Aging spent its whole life making it. So it cancels out to something that lines up with what's visibly shown.
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GunshyFever said:
Speaking of Primal Devil planet creation feats, I am wondering if we could plausibly scale the output of their creation feats to their attacks. At the very least, it would seem like a decent basis for scaling since they would be in their own category.

Does anyone have a calc for the Aging Devil creation feat? I do recall that one was made, albeit with deflating methods which incredibly downplay the feat in general.
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  • Aging devil world creation an egreious lowball, considering there's a source of light and mountains.
  • Darkness devil creating darkness likely across all of hell.
  • Someone flooded hell (maybe Typhoon devil), again very in line with the biblical references.
  • Falling devil causing gravity flucations across Earth, bare minimum should be the same across Japan or even Tokyo
Is there anymore big feats?
 
Arkenis said:
  • Aging devil world creation an egreious lowball, considering there's a source of light and mountains.
  • Darkness devil creating darkness likely across all of hell.
  • Someone flooded hell (maybe Typhoon devil), again very in line with the biblical references.
  • Falling devil causing gravity flucations across Earth, bare minimum should be the same across Japan or even Tokyo
Is there anymore big feats?
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Pochita resetting the whole universe after eating himself
 
Alexander said:
There was no proof for that, the only thing that he had for his own advantage was the erasure (who also negates durability)
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We know more feat=higher stats ( even backed by when Pochita/Denji became less feared he became physically weaker and slower )

- Stated the devil that is feared most ( this includes Primals ) and therefore the most feared would make him the most strong ( he is literally just a brawler with chainsaws with goated regen )

- Backed by the fact he fought Death alongside her sisters back in the day alongside all their followers before he met Denji ( Death being not just a Primal but the strongest one )

- Even if you wanna ignore death scaling. He clashed with Nuke Yoru and won ( and yes he was killed multiple times ) but he beat her then ate a chunk of her ( hence why WW2 was erased ) and Nuke Yoru is Primal Tier. Even before her Nuke amp she was comparable to a Primal Tier Pochita ( Aging level ) when she got her own amp from the fire devil plot plus put on the Gun Gauntlet and stronger than his physicals with her strongest attacks ( Gun Goddess )

Yet I am to believe he needed to be amped by the Fire Devil Plan to reach Primal Tier just physically?

It's just inconsistent in Part 2
 
This is why I always think Pochita's original form is just something we'll never see, cuz there's no way part 1 or 2 is what went high diff with a full stacked Yoru, Makima Lil'd, Famine and dozens of other devils at their command.
 
Arkenis said:
This is why I always think Pochita's original form is just something we'll never see, cuz there's no way part 1 or 2 is what went high diff with a full stacked Yoru, Makima Lil'd, Famine and dozens of other devils at their command.
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Hell if Makima and Fami were at all relevant alongside Yoru and Death during their fight with Pochita that means they would most certainly have to be Primal Tier ( even if you think on the lower end that's fine since a stronger Primal like Darkness sent Makima running )

Like I said, Part 2 once it got to the aging arc basically retcons Pochita's power level ( cause Fujimoto forgor and was just writing hype moments and aura...which ngl were pretty sick, it was nice seeing a Primal actually try for once - Aging ) then the war devil arc makes the scaling even more messy lmao
 
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