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After reviewing Silver Surfer’s page, I believe the lack of clearly stated or explained feats comes across as somewhat disingenuous. For a character of his status as one of Marvel’s most iconic figures, there should be multiple concrete feats supporting his Low 1-C rating, rather than just lean on being comparable to Thor while still placed below Loki, alongside a rather vague feat involving the activation of a device keyed to Thanos’ power. This does not sufficiently demonstrate the level of physicality expected for that tier.
However, before we go in, let's just remove the "weaker than Loki" key please? Surfer has grown stronger, if not, was always somewhat stronger but bare minimum equal to Loki to begin with anyway. As such, I suggest maintaining his Low 1-C rating, but reinforcing it with more explicit and direct feats.
Pre-Annihilation feats:
This distinction is important because his energy manipulation and projection have consistently been his primary method of combat and are portrayed as fundamentally separate from his physical strength. For instance, while he can only stalemate physically with characters like Loki in direct combat, the tide often shifts once he begins utilizing his energy output, where he is able to overwhelm opponents more decisively. We also see him capable of making shields that are impenetrable to foes who can easily beat him physically such when he did against the Hulk and even that time he block an energy projection from a Power Stone amped Warrior's madness Thor.
With that being said, here are multiple feats which should grant Norrin to 1-A decisively:
More justified 1-A rating via Energy Manipulation significance in his battles:
Notice some of Surfer's feats are always when he was extremely weakened?
First we have the manipulation of the Big Crunch where Norrin performed him after a brutal amount punishment against the Proemial Gods, then we have the page's device activation and last but not least (if you're aware of the plot of SS Black) Surfer's final energy outburst that overpowered Knull which from this panel you can only sacrificed what seems to be 1/8th left of his shining residue. Some of his best energy projection feats are when he was extremely fragile.
This proves not only this line of scaling is not only theoretical but borderline canonical, no amount of durability anti-feats should contradict Surfer's 1-A Energy Manipulation, well at least no anti-feat that reaches street level or smth so severe, but I'm pretty sure street tier anti-feats for Norrin are long gone and practically nonexistent in modern times anyway.
With that being said, here are multiple feats which should grant Norrin to 1-A decisively:
Pre-Annihilation:
So yeah, to recap it all Silver Surfer should have a proper amount of feats in his page justifying Low 1-C rating, he's capable of fighting multiple heralds and being peer to top tiers in the verse including beating BRB, overwhelming Loki, stalemating Strange, outclassing Skaar, etc while also having his own feats that has something to do with infinity stones and performance against abstracts such as Stranger, Galactus and the Proemial Gods.
Have a separate key for energy manipulation giving Surfer 1-A rating and highlighting his feats specifically with energy projection, manipulation, construction, etc against Knull, Never Queen, Galactus and the Proemial Gods, his ability to match the power of the Infinity Stones and channeling the Big Crunch.
However, before we go in, let's just remove the "weaker than Loki" key please? Surfer has grown stronger, if not, was always somewhat stronger but bare minimum equal to Loki to begin with anyway. As such, I suggest maintaining his Low 1-C rating, but reinforcing it with more explicit and direct feats.
Pre-Annihilation feats:
- Has consistently match Thor and the Hulk physically multiple times.
- Beat up Beta Ray Bill
- Outclassed Skaar in combat.
- Fought a prolong battle against the Proemial Gods.
- Flew through a Celestial.
- Tanks a blast from all infinity stones.
- Hold his own against Knull.
- Second battle, where he ran away from him.
- Third battle where legit wins, even tanking the Necrosword and using his board as his sword.
- No sells an attack from a satiated Galactus.
This distinction is important because his energy manipulation and projection have consistently been his primary method of combat and are portrayed as fundamentally separate from his physical strength. For instance, while he can only stalemate physically with characters like Loki in direct combat, the tide often shifts once he begins utilizing his energy output, where he is able to overwhelm opponents more decisively. We also see him capable of making shields that are impenetrable to foes who can easily beat him physically such when he did against the Hulk and even that time he block an energy projection from a Power Stone amped Warrior's madness Thor.
With that being said, here are multiple feats which should grant Norrin to 1-A decisively:
More justified 1-A rating via Energy Manipulation significance in his battles:
- Norrin reconstructed the Heart of the Never Queen, with the Never Queen even mentions herself dying without it and Surfer himself also affirms that the heart contains all possibilities.
- Fortunately with my logic, Surfer's losing battle against a weakened Never Queen would not contradict this line of scaling as I've established his durability/physicality/endurance =/= energy projection/manipulation. Making this line of scaling consistent and valid imo.
- This pattern seems to be a repetition of the past as well, during Norrin's battle against Adam Ka'dmon Man-Thing.
- Bested him only via constructing and trapping him inside an impenetrable cocoon/seal. Man-Thing was fine after the battle, noting that a prolong back and forth mindless slugfest would lead to Surfer being outlasted.
- Against Knull, If we look closely in all their encounters, noticed only all of his energy beams specifically is what gave Knull trouble or did something significant.
- He broke out of Knull's possession and briefly overwhelms him, making him grunt in pain specifically with his energy burst.
- He does it again when killing his dragon during a chase.
- After a prolong sword battle, we see a weakened Surfer being restrained, physically helpless but ultimate lets out a burst of energy that gained him his triumph.
Notice some of Surfer's feats are always when he was extremely weakened?
First we have the manipulation of the Big Crunch where Norrin performed him after a brutal amount punishment against the Proemial Gods, then we have the page's device activation and last but not least (if you're aware of the plot of SS Black) Surfer's final energy outburst that overpowered Knull which from this panel you can only sacrificed what seems to be 1/8th left of his shining residue. Some of his best energy projection feats are when he was extremely fragile.
This proves not only this line of scaling is not only theoretical but borderline canonical, no amount of durability anti-feats should contradict Surfer's 1-A Energy Manipulation, well at least no anti-feat that reaches street level or smth so severe, but I'm pretty sure street tier anti-feats for Norrin are long gone and practically nonexistent in modern times anyway.
With that being said, here are multiple feats which should grant Norrin to 1-A decisively:
Pre-Annihilation:
- Holds his own against Mephisto inside his realm.
- Specifically referring to this panel where he breaks free out of Mephito's tendrils/hell contructs.
- Scorched the Stranger's hands, whose one of the Abstracts.
- Channeled the Big Crunch while weakened, killing the Proemial Gods in the Process.
- Matched the energy output of the infinity stones.
- Supplied power to the soul and mind gem.
- Sealed staff wielding Adam Ka'dmon Man-Thing.
- Performed a feat not even Odin realize it was possible.
- Accidentally one-shotted infinity stone amped Tyrant.
- Clashed evenly against Galactus.
- Reconstructed the Never Queen's Heart.
- Overwhelmed Knull multiple times (see above).
So yeah, to recap it all Silver Surfer should have a proper amount of feats in his page justifying Low 1-C rating, he's capable of fighting multiple heralds and being peer to top tiers in the verse including beating BRB, overwhelming Loki, stalemating Strange, outclassing Skaar, etc while also having his own feats that has something to do with infinity stones and performance against abstracts such as Stranger, Galactus and the Proemial Gods.
Have a separate key for energy manipulation giving Surfer 1-A rating and highlighting his feats specifically with energy projection, manipulation, construction, etc against Knull, Never Queen, Galactus and the Proemial Gods, his ability to match the power of the Infinity Stones and channeling the Big Crunch.
