Rematch: The Perfect Human vs The Greatest Boxer (10-16-0) *GRACE*

[XxZetsuxX]

Koji also upscales his speed value by several blitzes

 

[Robo432343]

But Yu can one shot with dura neg

 

[Pyro9278]

Yu is not blitzing Koji with a negligable difference of a 1.19x

Not in combat speed, but Yu increases the speed of his attacks

 

[Pyro9278]

Voting Yu FRA

 

[DeltaStriker22]

Voting Yu FRA

Counted.

 

[azontr]

Why are we glazing Kouji's analytics it's not even that good

 

[DeltaStriker22]

Koji certainly has better ANPR than Yu's resistance plus his Information Analysis. There is no reason to think Koji can't read his moves and analyze them.

Incapable of proving this btw.

Nah, this is just wrong.

Both Yu and Ayanokoji's ANPR and resistance to it relies entirely on their intelligence.
How much they can predict their opponent or prevent their opponent from reading their moves depends on how smarter and more skilled at reading the other and hiding their intentions.
So the one with the better intelligence is the one with the superior ANPR.

The boxer has more layers to it's ANPR than cote at the moment but that would've only mattered if Yu and koji were in the same tier of intelligence.
If Character A is 9-C, higher with X, even higher with Y, even higher with Z, far higher with XYZ and Character B is 8-C.
It doesn't matter how many 'higher' Character A has, he has no chance of beating Character B simply because of the difference in tiers.

The same logic applies here, It doesn't matter how many layers of ANPR resistance Yu has, his Genius intelligence simply gets outclassed by Ayanokoji's Extraordinary Genius intelligence.

Koji's strategies are based on him accurately predicting months worth of events and manipulating the actions of geniuses without them ever realizing they were being manipulated.
He's able to think with the same level of clarity and accuracy during combat as he is while strategizing since we know his heart rate doesn't change even when he's fighting.

Ayanokoji's intelligence is so far beyond the entire boxer verse trying to predict him will have Yu hallucinating koji being in a higher-dimension of intellect like Ryu hallucinated Yu being in a higher-dimension of skill when they first fought lol.

 

[azontr]

That's not how it works. Just because you're smart doesn't make you better at combat. Analytics for manipulation and analytics in combat are two completely different things. You can't prove that Kouji has better analytics than Yu because Kouji has no combat feats superior to Yu.

 

[DeltaStriker22]

That's not how it works. Just because you're smart doesn't make you better at combat. Analytics for manipulation and analytics in combat are two completely different things. You can't prove that Kouji has better analytics than Yu because Kouji has no combat feats superior to Yu.

He has 12,045 fights worth of combat experience and the ability to think with the EG intelligence during fights as while he's strategizing.
If that's not enough to prove how much better Ayanokoji's intelligence is compared to anything in the boxer verse I have no idea how else to prove it.

What are Yu's feats that you think put him above Ayanokoji?

 

[azontr]

He has 12,045 fights worth of combat experience and the ability to think with the EG intelligence during fights as while he's strategizing.
If that's not enough to prove how much better Ayanokoji's intelligence is compared to anything in the boxer verse I have no idea how else to prove it.

What are Yu's feats that you think put him above Ayanokoji?

Combat experience is irrelevant and just saying he can think on extraordinary genius levels is irrelevant on its own, you need to show specific feats to back it up. Talking about experience in general with Yu is irrelevant because he can eclipse decades worth of training in just a few moments. Most if not all of Kouji's feats come from vague scaling chains, you haven't given me a specific feat that would imply Kouji is more effective than Yu in combat. Having exceptional growth at a young age and being able to defeat 92nd tier masters of Judo isn't enough.

 

[Zefra3011]

Aaron was capable of no-selling Yu's attacks, Kouji isn't even at a one-shot gap with Yu so it's not like he's hitting an iron wall. And like ik his pressure points haven't specifically overcome higher durability and I'm not saying Yu is one-shotting Kouji, but to say that being able to target the specific weakest point in someone's bones through a boxing glove without even putting in that much force doesn't significantly add to the effectiveness of Yu's punches, especially if he hits somewhere like the liver over and over, is just silly. And it's not like Kouji can consistently hit Yu, so Yu isn't racing against the clock or anything.

It does add. It just feels like guesswork to me to determine whether Yu can tire Kouji down quickly enough or not. I mean it for both sides to be honest.

Anyway, probably the best feat for this situation is Ichika's. Here are the scans I found on the profile. Maintaining her performance up for a fight while being on the verge of severe collapse from injuries dealt previously by someone stronger than her.

I wanted to drop the scans, so there's more ground to decide if Yu can finish the fight within "a few boxing rounds" or not.

I believe not. I thought it was a stomp on Koji's favour at the start, but it seems like it's not. I'm voting for Koji then.

 

[azontr]

The scan seems to imply that all of the wounds were focused below the neck, so that's still different than getting constantly pelted in the head, which is a completely different kind of injury. To begin with Yu isn't going to be expending much energy dodging Kouji's attacks due to the skill gap + perception gap + superior accelerated development, so Kouji is losing more stamina enduring attacks than Yu is avoiding them.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Why are we acting like Koji can't defense himself?

And since when does Yu in-character always goes for the head?

And again, why are we assuming Koji can't block his attacks? skill gap or not thats blasphemous or however you say it

 

[azontr]

Why are we acting like Koji can't defense himself?

I mean, attempting to defend himself would just drain his stamina faster and push Yu to grow faster as well. The only way he can really change the game is if he grappled but I don't really see him getting Yu in a solid hold.

And since when does Yu in-character always goes for the head?

Uh, he's a Boxer. Boxers hit you in the head. He aims for the body sometimes as well as course but 99% of the time he is only going for head blows. He can also determine the toughness of material through clothing n junk so he would know how durable Kouji is and that he needs to consistently aim for vital spots.

And again, why are we assuming Koji can't block his attacks? skill gap or not thats blasphemous or however you say it

I mean, sure, he can, but what does it accomplish? Yu's attacks will still hurt no matter what, and he'd be basically constantly on the defensive to avoid taking hits to the head. No matter where he gets hit Yu will be hitting the weakest points in his defense to do much more damage, so a defensive strategy just whittles Kouji down more.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I mean, attempting to defend himself would just drain his stamina faster and push Yu to grow faster as well. The only way he can really change the game is if he grappled but I don't really see him getting Yu in a solid hold.

It will drains Yu as well

Uh, he's a Boxer. Boxers hit you in the head. He aims for the body sometimes as well as course but 99% of the time he is only going for head blows. He can also determine the toughness of material through clothing n junk so he would know how durable Kouji is and that he needs to consistently aim for vital spots.

And what stops koji from blocking every vital shot with reaction or IA?

I mean, sure, he can, but what does it accomplish? Yu's attacks will still hurt no matter what, and he'd be basically constantly on the defensive to avoid taking hits to the head. No matter where he gets hit Yu will be hitting the weakest points in his defense to do much more damage, so a defensive strategy just whittles Kouji down more.

Drain Yu given he can remain active even under extreme pain

It's just a matter of time until Yu loses stamina to the point he can't move

 

[azontr]

It will drains Yu as well

Yes, but significantly less. Like, his stamina meter is lower but Kouji loses significantly more stamina defending against Yu than Yu does dodging his attacks with minimal movement. He'll drain quicker in the long run.

And what stops koji from blocking every vital shot with reaction or IA?

Well, for one, Yu has IA as well + the ability to change the direction of his attacks freely while maintaining speed and power, so he could just strike around Kouji's guard.

Drain Yu given he can remain active even under extreme pain

Being able to remain ≠ being able to remain at full capacity the entire time. If he's human he'll experience functional decline at some point taking consistent damage to his vitals. His stamina is impressive but the best feats like remaining active for two weeks don't take into account the difference between physical labor and physical labor while getting beaten.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yes, but significantly less. Like, his stamina meter is lower but Kouji loses significantly more stamina defending against Yu than Yu does dodging his attacks with minimal movement. He'll drain quicker in the long run.

This would be nice if Koji was like, athletic to peak human stamina which is not the case, Koji is above baseline superhuman stamina

Well, for one, Yu has IA as well + the ability to change the direction of his attacks freely while maintaining speed and power, so he could just strike around Kouji's guard.

changing attack to another position that might as well not even be a PP point will just make Koji take less dmg

You are also under the assumption that Yu will 100% just spam PP with no intention of hitting normally, it's OOC when he didnt even do that with Ryu

Being able to remain ≠ being able to remain at full capacity the entire time. If he's human he'll experience functional decline at some point taking consistent damage to his vitals. His stamina is impressive but the best feats like remaining active for two weeks don't take into account the difference between physical labor and physical labor while getting beaten.

Ichika could maintain performance in a fight against 2 fighters on the verge of losing consciousness and a state where she shouldn't even be able to move from the beating she recieved from Shiba, and again, Koji is several leagues above this it's not even funny

That and the pain tolerance he recieved from the WR which is worse than the experimental phase which made children fear so bad it made them emotionless and act like machines

For instance, the training is so bad that Yuki had trauma and a weakened body at the end of when she dropped out of the WR

 

[Lynieryz]

[Yu FRA]

 

[azontr]

This would be nice if Koji was like, athletic to peak human stamina which is not the case, Koji is above baseline superhuman stamina

I mean, that's arbitrary. Just because someone is Superhuman doesn't mean tactics like this won't work on them, especially when getting hit by someone like Yu. There is no "baseline" and "above baseline" superhuman, it's all about feats.

changing attack to another position that might as well not even be a PP point will just make Koji take less dmg

And you're assuming Yu would be unable to still hit a vital point because? Kouji can only block one place at a time and there are multiple exploitable vital points, and again, the speed and power of his blows, which can grow by the moment depending on how much Kouji pushes Yu, is maintained even when he suddenly shifts direction.

You are also under the assumption that Yu will 100% just spam PP with no intention of hitting normally, it's OOC when he didnt even do that with Ryu

Spamming PP IS his normal hits. That's how Boxing works. He's always trying to knock the opponent out with as little effort as possible. He didn't use pressure points on Ryu because Ryu was nothing to him, but he specifically knows Kouji is more durable than him.

Ichika could maintain performance in a fight against 2 fighters on the verge of losing consciousness and a state where she shouldn't even be able to move from the beating she recieved from Shiba, and again, Koji is several leagues above this it's not even funny

There's a difference between "maintaining performance" and fighting completely the same even when severely injured. It's a completely silly assumption to make that they experience zero functional decline even when going through extreme injury, it's just that they're strong even when injured. Just on the fact that Kouji acknowledges the effects of things like heat stroke and extended fatigue proves he experiences inevitable decline, he isn't going to just be taking hits and remaining unshaken. Even if he'd appear unaffected, his body would speak otherwise.

That and the pain tolerance he recieved from the WR which is worse than the experimental phase which made children fear so bad it made them emotionless and act like machines

What does pain tolerance have to do with anything? Pain tolerance plays a relatively low role in how your body endures blows.

 

[Zefra3011]

The scan seems to imply that all of the wounds were focused below the neck, so that's still different than getting constantly pelted in the head, which is a completely different kind of injury. To begin with Yu isn't going to be expending much energy dodging Kouji's attacks due to the skill gap + perception gap + superior accelerated development, so Kouji is losing more stamina enduring attacks than Yu is avoiding them.

I assume that attacking entails using his maximal energy output every single attack (if he doesn't, he's just not going to damage Koji at all), so he's spending much more energy than the amount he was using against Josh. Even if he dodges, he is required to spend a lot every time.

Given the gap in durability and stamina, I believe that even if Koji becomes a punching bag, he's going to win regardless.

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

A lot going on here so

If Koji uses any technique or makes any significant display of skill and misses, he won't just fail to attack, leaving his defense exposed to Yu, but he'll also allow Yu to copy the slightest movement that he fancies and use against Koji. I also don't see how Koji is dealing with attacks any faster than he can perceive at the start of the fight; casual blocking will only be a matter of time before Yu hits and stuns him with Dura Neg.

I'll vote Yu. His speed and perception are far too potent for Koji to do anything meaningful in this match.

The speed difference seems to be a big issue in this matchup, however Yu's attacks to be clear are NOT faster than Koji can perceive. This is a 1.2x speed difference, not a blitz. That is basically a non-existent difference in speed.

OP said that Koji's perceptions are at baseline superhuman, this would make Yu's perceptions at least 12x.

I meant as a proxy for Yu being able to blitz, not that 12x perception is wrong.

Reading error from your end, I said "20% physically faster with his perceptions (literally 12x) and techs being even higher". His attacks are at a baseline 20% superior to that of Koji's, and his perceptions are 12x, not sure how you thought I was saying his attack speed was 12x.

I thought you were claiming that Yu's perception speed stacked with his movement speed which it doesn't. Mb if that wasn't the case and I agree the actual speed difference is 1.2x, which as multiple people have pointed out is negligible.

Yu is not blitzing Koji with a negligable difference of a 1.19x

I do want to point out that Ayanokoji isn't completely helpless against Yu's perception & speed advantage.

One look at Yu's stance and koji will instantly know he's a boxer through his Information Analysis and with his Extraordinary Genius intelligence he'll have calculated absolutely everything Yu can use against him and have countermeasures ready for every single boxing technique there is.

With his better ANPR he will be able to predict all of Yu's moves and more than likely evade them despite the 20% speed disadvantage and anytime his ANPR gets overwhelmed by Yu's speed his Instinctive Action will kick in making it possible to dodge even attacks he was caught off guard by.

The times he does get hit, he should be able to endure a decent amount Yu's dura neg hits with his durability and Supernatural Willpower.

Agree with this. The speed advantage is essentially meaningless.

But Yu can one shot with dura neg

Given Koji's massive Dura advantage plus his supernatural willpower this is just wrong.

Koji's stamina is solid, but his actual feats aren't the type that make it easy to compare to the beating that Yu would be dealing to him. There's also no real proof that Yu has the stamina issues that others have mentioned above, which means that thanks to his speed advantages, he can wail on Koji for as longs as he wants with virtually no resistance.

Well there is just the general Stamina advantage Koji has. Average Human for Yu against Superhuman for Koji so Yu is getting outlasted easily.

Incapable of proving this btw.

Nah, this is just wrong.

Both Yu and Ayanokoji's ANPR and resistance to it relies entirely on their intelligence.
How much they can predict their opponent or prevent their opponent from reading their moves depends on how smarter and more skilled at reading the other and hiding their intentions.
So the one with the better intelligence is the one with the superior ANPR.

The boxer has more layers to it's ANPR than cote at the moment but that would've only mattered if Yu and koji were in the same tier of intelligence.

Then onto the Stamina Issue

Yes, but significantly less. Like, his stamina meter is lower but Kouji loses significantly more stamina defending against Yu than Yu does dodging his attacks with minimal movement. He'll drain quicker in the long run.

This is wrong, assuming that Koji is burning stamina faster than Yu because he is attacking at full force while Yu is using minimal movement to conserve energy.

I assume that attacking entails using his maximal energy output every single attack (if he doesn't, he's just not going to damage Koji at all)

Koji has the massive AP gap so he doesn't need to attack at full power while if Yu doesn't he has no shot of harming Koji due to the Dura gap as well.

I mean, that's arbitrary. Just because someone is Superhuman doesn't mean tactics like this won't work on them

Koji is also the better fighter with far more experience and training. You are assuming that Yu has the superior tactics and Koji will fight like he's dumb which makes no sense.

And you're assuming Yu would be unable to still hit a vital point because? Kouji can only block one place at a time and there are multiple exploitable vital points, and again, the speed and power of his blows

Again the speed difference is negligible so this is a non issue.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

And you're assuming Yu would be unable to still hit a vital point because? Kouji can only block one place at a time and there are multiple exploitable vital points, and again, the speed and power of his blows, which can grow by the moment depending on how much Kouji pushes Yu, is maintained even when he suddenly shifts direction.

I am not assuming he will not be able to, i am saying he won't ALWAYS hit PP, and koji can block and dodge at the same time

Spamming PP IS his normal hits. That's how Boxing works. He's always trying to knock the opponent out with as little effort as possible. He didn't use pressure points on Ryu because Ryu was nothing to him, but he specifically knows Kouji is more durable than him.

Thats fine and all but its not like he will always be able to hit him in the PP

There's a difference between "maintaining performance" and fighting completely the same even when severely injured. It's a completely silly assumption to make that they experience zero functional decline even when going through extreme injury, it's just that they're strong even when injured. Just on the fact that Kouji acknowledges the effects of things like heat stroke and extended fatigue proves he experiences inevitable decline, he isn't going to just be taking hits and remaining unshaken. Even if he'd appear unaffected, his body would speak otherwise.

He got his palm stabbed and didnt even acknowledge the pain nor did he think about it? he remained unshaken

What does pain tolerance have to do with anything? Pain tolerance plays a relatively low role in how your body endures blows.

Yes it does, it means you can still fighting while ignoring the pain

 

[azontr]

I assume that attacking entails using his maximal energy output every single attack (if he doesn't, he's just not going to damage Koji at all), so he's spending much more energy than the amount he was using against Josh. Even if he dodges, he is required to spend a lot every time.

I mean, Yu's entire thing is that he doesn't need to expend much physical energy to attack. His main force comes from his flawless technique and body control allowing him to unleash attacks with power beyond his physique, because he can basically manipulate himself on the cellular level. So he doesn't need to expend much energy with each attack. The entire point is that he can make movements without allowing any wasted movement or energy which allows him to conserve as much stamina as humanly possible even with big movements.

The speed difference seems to be a big issue in this matchup, however Yu's attacks to be clear are NOT faster than Koji can perceive. This is a 1.2x speed difference, not a blitz. That is basically a non-existent difference in speed.

The main issue isn't just the speed gap on its own, though. Yu gets increasingly faster by a significant margin if he's pushed enough, plus he already scales significantly above his speed value, to the point the guy who did the feat was considered an infant in comparison to Yu. And even if you aren't pushing him that hard he'd still get faster.

Well there is just the general Stamina advantage Koji has. Average Human for Yu against Superhuman for Koji so Yu is getting outlasted easily.

This still doesn't really address the point. Kouji's stamina drains at a significantly faster rate than Yu's in the long run. It's not like Yu collapses instantly over an extended fight. He sweats a little bit after a round. That's it. He's not made of sticks and stones.

This is wrong, assuming that Koji is burning stamina faster than Yu because he is attacking at full force while Yu is using minimal movement to conserve energy.

What's your point here? You say it's wrong but then proceeded to confirm my point, Yu basically expends zero energy with each move he makes because he's incredibly hyper efficient with every move he makes.

Koji has the massive AP gap so he doesn't need to attack at full power while if Yu doesn't he has no shot of harming Koji due to the Dura gap as well.

The dura gap isn't even a one-shot difference and even if it was Yu would still be able to harm Kouji by targeting his weak points, he doesn't turn into a stone wall unless he's like Homelander and is comprised entirely of hard tissue. Yu can easily hit Kouji with a slashing punch at a wrong area and slash an artery, tbh.

Koji is also the better fighter with far more experience and training. You are assuming that Yu has the superior tactics and Koji will fight like he's dumb which makes no sense.

Kouji isn't a superior fighter, experience is irrelevant when Yu's sheer talent renders experience irrelevant because he can make extreme strides in skill with zero training or instruction. He was the best from the get go and gets better without even needing to apply himself. I also never said Kouji was dumb nor did I ever say how he would fight— I just mentioned Yu's tactics and how they interact with Kouji, it's your job to explain Kouji's own tactics and how he would fight to counter Yu. All he can really do is grapple and he's never really going to get Yu in a solid grip.

Again the speed difference is negligible so this is a non issue.

Yu scales stupidly above his speed value and continuously gets faster as the fight goes on.

I am not assuming he will not be able to, i am saying he won't ALWAYS hit PP, and koji can block and dodge at the same time

And Yu can just change the direction of his attacks constantly to keep throwing Kouji off. He has complete control over his own flow of power and can do fake-outs if he needs to since he's completely copied Ryu's fighting style.

Thats fine and all but its not like he will always be able to hit him in the PP

That's the thing though, Yu can aim for the weakest point in any part of Kouji's body, so even if he isn't explicitly targeting his PP, anywhere he hits, he would be hitting Kouji with the accuracy to do damage even with minimal force. It's not just limited to PPs, since he can identify vulnerable areas just in the structure of his body.

He got his palm stabbed and didnt even acknowledge the pain nor did he think about it? he remained unshaken

Yeah, but even if you remain unshaken, the damage will do damage either way. Like, just because you can IGNORE the damage doesn't mean it doesn't affect your body. You can take a blow, shake it off, but still get a concussion.

Yes it does, it means you can still fighting while ignoring the pain

I mean, yeah, but you're still taking damage no matter how well you can mentally process the pain.

 

[Zefra3011]

I mean, Yu's entire thing is that he doesn't need to expend much physical energy to attack. His main force comes from his flawless technique and body control allowing him to unleash attacks with power beyond his physique, because he can basically manipulate himself on the cellular level. So he doesn't need to expend much energy with each attack. The entire point is that he can make movements without allowing any wasted movement or energy which allows him to conserve as much stamina as humanly possible even with big movements.

I agree he doesn't waste energy, but if he attacks with 9kj, he'll spend 9kj regardless. Energy doesn't come out of nowhere; it comes from his stamina pool.

 

[azontr]

I agree he doesn't waste energy, but if he attacks with 9kj, he'll spend 9kj regardless. Energy doesn't come out of nowhere; it comes from his stamina pool.

What? You don't spend joules when you attack. When you labor you burn calories, and Yu can punch at full power with the effort of basically throwing a basic jab due to his technique, so he's not going to burn energy at nearly the same rate as a normal person throwing full-powered attacks will.

 

[Zefra3011]

What? You don't spend joules when you attack. When you labor you burn calories, and Yu can punch at full power with the effort of basically throwing a basic jab due to his technique, so he's not going to burn energy at nearly the same rate as a normal person throwing full-powered attacks will.

Joules and calories are interchangeable. 1 calorie is 4.184 Joules. Regardless, yeah, he spends less energy than the average person because he doesn't waste it.

My point was just that while he doesn't have to dodge, he still is required to go all-out with each punch. If dodging for 3 minutes makes him sweat, punching for the same should make him sweat more.

 

[UnstoppableObject]

4,96x times his dura actually

Okay, I'll just go over this one more time with real life values (which SHOULD be applicable in the way I'll apply them, because I'm only using the relative multiplier between them). I know this isn't perfect, but I'm trying to explain the problem with this.

Humans can survive 1.5 meter falls (weight = 86kg). Potential energy = 1,265.49 joules. You can somewhat safely say that a human will be hurt by a 299 joule punch.
Therefore the actual energy a human could withstand is 4.23x lower

If I apply this for the 49.3 kilojoules, it ends up being at most 11.648 kilojoules (which is street level+)

So, I don't understand why you keep using the maximal potential energy as a baseline for the durability. It's extremely inaccurate. The gap between Yu's AP and Ayanokouji's durability HARDLY even affects the fight.

(I know that it's fiction, but you can't just say that falling from high place is equivalent to being punched with the same energy)

 

[azontr]

Joules and calories are interchangeable. 1 calorie is 4.184 Joules. Regardless, yeah, he spends less energy than the average person because he doesn't waste it.

My point was just that while he doesn't have to dodge, he still is required to go all-out with each punch. If dodging for 3 minutes makes him sweat, punching for the same should make him sweat more.

They aren't interchangeable in the way you're saying, you don't burn as many calories as the joules you output. And Yu doesn't need to go all out with his punches, again, he can hit harder than his physique allows with explicitly less physical exertion. That's the entire point of gaining mastery of technique.

 

[Da3ggman]

Yu low-key got good skill slop looking into it, tbh kinda sucks I can't put him against Baki because of Tier difference. Voting Yu FRA

 

[azontr]

Yu low-key got good skill slop looking into it, tbh kinda sucks I can't put him against Baki because of Tier difference. Voting Yu FRA

They fought in 9-A and Yu won i just don't think anyone ever added it to the profiles.

 

[Da3ggman]

They fought in 9-A and Yu won i just don't think anyone ever added it to the profiles.

Oh no, he beats the shit out of 13 Year Old Baki lol (Unless something I calc gets way higher), I meant like nowadays Baki for a skill debate.

 

[Zefra3011]

They aren't interchangeable in the way you're saying, you don't burn as many calories as the joules you output. And Yu doesn't need to go all out with his punches, again, he can hit harder than his physique allows with explicitly less physical exertion. That's the entire point of gaining mastery of technique.

And where does the additional energy come from then? I spend X calories, which are Y joules, but my punch has Y+Z joules?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Oh no, he beats the shit out of 13 Year Old Baki lol (Unless something I calc gets way higher), I meant like nowadays Baki for a skill debate.

He meant maximum tournament where Baki is 9-A

 

[Da3ggman]

He meant maximum tournament where Baki is 9-A

Max Tournament Baki is gonna be upscaling 100x stronger than him, that match is def getting removed.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Max Tournament Baki is gonna be upscaling 100x stronger than him, that match is def getting removed.

It's not added to begin with lol

 

[Da3ggman]

It's not added to begin with lol

True, also damn that might've been the fastest reply ever bro didn't even get a chance to breathe.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

True, also damn that might've been the fastest reply ever bro didn't even get a chance to breathe.

HEHEHE

 

[azontr]

And where does the additional energy come from then? I spend X calories, which are Y joules, but my punch has Y+Z joules?

Look blud, I didn't write the story, JH did. And what JH wrote is that technique can allow you to produce more force while expending less energy. Where the energy comes from, idk. All we know is that the better your technique you can hit harder even if you're a bean pole. Yu's physique is noticeably unimpressive and his ability to hit hard despite that is a main point of his character.

Max Tournament Baki is gonna be upscaling 100x stronger than him, that match is def getting removed.

I literally said nobody added it to the profiles

 

[Robo432343]

Given Koji's massive Dura advantage plus his supernatural willpower this is just wrong

What do you think the point of dura neg is??? The koji having massive dura argument is useless if it’s just gonna get negged anyway

 

[UnstoppableObject]

What do you think the point of dura neg is??? The koji having massive dura argument is useless if it’s just gonna get negged anyway

I keep saying it, but everyone's ingoring it. The durability gap isn't even that high to begin with.

I literally explained it here.

Okay, I'll just go over this one more time with real life values (which SHOULD be applicable in the way I'll apply them, because I'm only using the relative multiplier between them). I know this isn't perfect, but I'm trying to explain the problem with this.

Humans can survive 1.5 meter falls (weight = 86kg). Potential energy = 1,265.49 joules. You can somewhat safely say that a human will be hurt by a 299 joule punch.
Therefore the actual energy a human could withstand is 4.23x lower

If I apply this for the 49.3 kilojoules, it ends up being at most 11.648 kilojoules (which is street level+)

So, I don't understand why you keep using the maximal potential energy as a baseline for the durability. It's extremely inaccurate. The gap between Yu's AP and Ayanokouji's durability HARDLY even affects the fight.

(I know that it's fiction, but you can't just say that falling from high place is equivalent to being punched with the same energy)