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The Sun God Nika vs The Six Paths Sage (Luffy vs Naruto).

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Kachon123 said:
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this is just flowing into stuff, phasing means he can physically pass through solid matter without interacting with it.
 
karo_senpaii said:
Well yeah his energy entered the tree and destroyed it inside. It's usually how most energy systems work. There's no special phasing here
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The first form of Ryou Haki is tangible. Hence why it pushes things back on contact. The second form of Ryou Haki turns it intangible and flows it inside of the target to destroy it internally. Don't speak confidently about something you know nothing about as if you're an authority on the topic.
 
Kachon123 said:
The first form of Ryou Haki is tangible. Hence why it pushes things back on contact. The second form of Ryou Haki turns it intangible and flows it inside of the target to destroy it internally. Don't speak confidently about something you know nothing about as if you're an authority on the topic.
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Nah you are arguing something vague giving it the highest possible interp of it, vsbw is usually conservative with that.

from what i can tell it's merely flowing the haki into the person or object.
 
R81handman said:
I thought that was just only for Haki and Devil Fruits interaction? I can't see Luffy negating natural King flame resistance?
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Im like 99% certain luffy doesn't even fight nor interact with king
R81handman said:
or Big Mom using Haki to negate Jinbe resistant to fear hax?
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Jimbe pulled through thanks to willpower not an innate resistance

Supernatural willpower in it of itself is an ability not a resistance. The ability can allow you to do different things depending on the context but the ability in it of itself is an ability not a resistance.
 
Kachon123 said:
The first form of Ryou Haki is tangible. Hence why it pushes things back on contact. The second form of Ryou Haki turns it intangible and flows it inside of the target to destroy it internally. Don't speak confidently about something you know nothing about as if you're an authority on the topic.
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What tf are you arguing with me about? Intangible or tangible it still entered the tree and destroyed it from inside.

Same way ki is intangible, chakra is intangible, mana is intangible but specific applications of such takes on a tangible form. For example change in chakra form in Naruto to form a rasengan. But fundamentally energy systems are usually intangible.


It's energy, it's intangible, it's feat of stuff it could phase through is wood, or block or skin. I.e solids.

That's it, there's no extrapolation to now make it some end all be all that it can phase through all things an phenomena. No it can phase through what it has been shown to phase through or else we just assume energy blocks it out. Specifically in this case an energy that blocks out stuff at a microscopic level
 
karo_senpaii said:
Well yeah his energy entered the tree and destroyed it inside. It's usually how most energy systems work. There's no special phasing here
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this does that also.. Yet haki is not that, so no. Not the same

His "energy" (which is never stated to be like a manifested energy) isn't a soul/spirit energy
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
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this does that also.. Yet haki is not that, so no. Not the same

His energy isn't an soul/spirit energy
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?? Who said it's the same? 2 completely different things can still have exactly the same effect when shown visually.

Haki can phase through stuff? Great , show me stuff it can phase through and those stuff shown are the only stuff with evidence that it can phase through those shit. It phased through a tree? Good for you, it can phase through human skin wonderful for you but until you show me it phasing through energy so compact it can defend on a microscopic level then this is just pointless
 
I notice people are asking for proof of phasing

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Here we can see luffy punch in front of a tree without effecting the exterior of the tree.

Not only that but the energy itself isn't shown to even be touching the tree's exterior either so it's clearly not flowing through by means of direct contact

Despite this, the tree still gets blown up anyway
 
karo_senpaii said:
?? Who said it's the same? 2 completely different things can still have exactly the same effect when shown visually.

Haki can phase through stuff? Great , show me stuff it can phase through and those stuff shown are the only stuff with evidence that it can phase through those shit. It phased through a tree? Good for you, it can phase through human skin wonderful for you but until you show me it phasing through energy so compact it can defend on a microscopic level then this is just pointless
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Law can phase through shit, not Haki, Brook can phase but not against Haki... Haki's aura isn't an actual manifested energy that take shape in the real world.. It instead only creates and causes forces on the world, completely different
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Law can phase through shit, not Haki, Brook can phase but not against Haki... Haki's aura isn't an actual manifested energy that take shape in the real world.. It instead only creates and causes forces on the world, completely different
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So Haki has law manipulation? If it's not phasing then what's it? You have to explain it so we'll know how exactly to address and formulate a counter
 
I'm gonna go work on Garrosh now, a character who is single-handedly better than anyone in either Naruto or OP.

Not objectively, mind you.
 
karo_senpaii said:
So Haki has law manipulation? If it's not phasing then what's it? You have to explain it so we'll know how exactly to address and formulate a counter
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it's a manifested invisible sensation (literally stated)... That's literally what it is, the fighting ambition of the user is pushed outwards and then it creates force on the world
 
karo_senpaii said:
Haki can phase through stuff? Great , show me stuff it can phase through and those stuff shown are the only stuff with evidence that it can phase through those shit. It phased through a tree? Good for you, it can phase through human skin wonderful for you but until you show me it phasing through energy so compact it can defend on a microscopic level then this is just pointless
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What do you mean by microscopic levels?
 
Kachon123 said:
The first form of Ryou Haki is tangible. Hence why it pushes things back on contact. The second form of Ryou Haki turns it intangible and flows it inside of the target to destroy it internally. Don't speak confidently about something you know nothing about as if you're an authority on the topic.
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this is phasing.


what you are describing is flowing energy into the insides of someone
Delusionaltx2 said:
Im like 99% certain luffy doesn't even fight nor interact with king

Jimbe pulled through thanks to willpower not an innate resistance

Supernatural willpower in it of itself is an ability not a resistance. The ability can allow you to do different things depending on the context but the ability in it of itself is an ability not a resistance.
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still resistance negation in your verse is something here that only affects devil fruits and haki, not people innate resistances.
 
karo_senpaii said:
That's cool, gets blocked out by chakra then. Chakra has this component in it so it has no problem interacting with it
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Chakra does not manifest ones fighting spirit... Law can also interact with what you just said, not with haki so try again.
 
R81handman said:
this is phasing.


what you are describing is flowing energy into the insides of someone

still resistance negation in your verse is something here that only affects devil fruits and haki, not people innate resistances.
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it doesn't even say phasing on the wiki, it says force the energy.
 
Trihexa102 said:
nah thats a very vague way of saying that, since it's not concrete then there can be other interps as far as am concerned.
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Unless you can derive other ways of forcing energy into someone that don't interact with the external matter (that isn't synonymous with phasing anyway), there's no other interpretation here.
Trihexa102 said:
mangekyou users force chakra into you as well? but they don't phase.
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Not the same, that's injecting chakra which still interacts with external matter
 
Saqphire said:
Unless you can derive other ways of forcing energy into someone that don't interact with the external matter (that isn't synonymous with phasing anyway), there's no other interpretation here.

Not the same, that's injecting chakra which still interacts with external matter
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you can just as easily say injecting haki then?

1 interp is not more valid than the other, cause of the vague premise.

if it could phase it would be concretely stated.
 
Trihexa102 said:
it doesn't even say phasing on the wiki, it says force the energy.
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I know, but I am educating this person on what is the term phasing is in powerscaling.
Saqphire said:
Unless you can derive other ways of forcing energy into someone that don't interact with the external matter (that isn't synonymous with phasing anyway), there's no other interpretation here.

Not the same, that's injecting chakra which still interacts with external matter
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Luffy is sending a flow of energy into the tree, and injecting it internally, he is not bypassing someone else matter.

this is the wiki term for Phasing: The ability to phase through matter by becoming briefly intangible, sometimes through such means as vibrating one's molecules at such a speed that it becomes possible to move through physical matter. This includes doing things like altering your own density to phase through objects. However, this does not necessarily allow the user to phase through immaterial energy-based attacks.
 
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