5-B Planet Tiersetter Tournament Semi Finals Match 2: Tien Shinhan vs Uzi Doorman (3-14-0) GRACE STARTED

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The Second Beginning Of The End.​

Arena

• Via SBA, Central Park.

• Starting Distance will be based on SBA. In this case 4 kilometers due to both combatants having planetary attacks.

Match Conditions

• Speed is equalized by default, but may remain unequalized if one character can mitigate the speed gap (e.g., through passives, resistances, durability advantages, etc.).
• Matches will use SBA unless specified otherwise.
• Rules are subject to changes on a per-match basis to make them fairer or more interesting
• Wincon is via incapacitation or death
• Combatants are now allowed to magically view the other previous matches in-universe (except for the initial tiersetter match)

Match Rules

• 2 days are given to both participating users to debate. Regardless of circumstances, I will decree the outcome of the match after the 2 days for the sake of the tourney's pacing. While they may/may not be added to the profiles, further votes can be given so that these matches are eligible to be added to the respective character's profiles
  
  • An exception can be made should the participating user notify everyone in this thread that they'd be inactive for a bit or some other situation. A further 1 day will be given for such exception
  • If you no longer have any reason or motivation to continue participating in this tournament, notify in the thread to have your combatant removed (and depending on the tourney time, a replacement can be issued)
• Inconclusive matches are also subject to the above rule, but I will issue a coin flip to decide who advances (unless the votes have a 3-4 vote difference, at which it is completely subject to the first rule instead)

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Music!!!​

Combatants viewing this match can hear the song as well.

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The Combatants​

Courtesy of @Niko

23rd Budokai Tien Shinhan (1.5 YT)	Uzi Doorman (Base) (701 ZT)	Marshmallow
3 (@Thunderman101, @Rex_Eckles, @DaReaperMan, )	14 (@RealDuker98, @Soul_Nitro_Deluxe, @Masonic9+2, @Kirua29, @Niko, @Jin2188, @ArrestedForRobbery, @Thermor, @GrayCraft_Dragon, @VladimirMakarov317, @OiEuSouDuvi, @CasperSenar, @Starfall-Endowment, @DemonicDude )	-

 

[Thunderman101]

is uzi gonna be a prep time merchant again

 

[Psychomaster35]

So Uzi would be able to know about Tien's skill given this prior knowledge, but at the same time, Tien would be able to know about Uzi's Absolute Solver for the same reason. That said, Uzi should be able to negate Tien's durability by imploding Tien's head from the inside with an arm point, and while Tien is stronger, the gap isn't really big enough to be one-shot worthy, especially given how Uzi's forcefields and regeneration give her extra defense.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Tri-Beam is a one-shot over Tien, so that should do her in probably

 

[Thunderman101]

So Uzi would be able to know about Tien's skill given this prior knowledge, but at the same time, Tien would be able to know about Uzi's Absolute Solver for the same reason. That said, Uzi should be able to negate Tien's durability by imploding Tien's head from the inside with an arm point, and while Tien is stronger, the gap isn't really big enough to be one-shot worthy, especially given how Uzi's forcefields and regeneration give her extra defense

Does she ever start with imploding people?

 

[Soul80]

ok so, does he have any arguments against her hax ? like any

 

[Kirua29]

Does she ever start with imploding people?

Yes, In fact, she's usually the one who attacks first, and she always tries to start with a 100% stack attack. I could send you a lot of examples if you want.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Yes, In fact, she's usually the one who attacks first, and she always tries to start with a 100% stack attack. I could send you a lot of examples if you want.

That was in her Solver form tho, ya know, her berserk form

 

[Kirua29]

So it’s another matchup where Uzi is physically weaker but has far superior hax, huh. The problem is, Ten literally has no way to defend against Uzi’s hax.

 

[Thunderman101]

Yes, In fact, she's usually the one who attacks first, and she always tries to start with a 100% stack attack. I could send you a lot of examples if you want.

id like to see more examples, that was a bloodlusted uzi under the solvers control i think?

 

[Kirua29]

That was in her Solver form tho, ya know, her berserk form

I know, but when we say Uzi base, we mean Uzi before she fused with the Solver, and therefore Uzi when she's able to cast black holes in episode 8, so it's more like Uzi prime but without having fused with the Solver. The OP was clear about this during the last fights.

 

[Thunderman101]

I know, but when we say Uzi base, we mean Uzi before she fused with the Solver, and therefore Uzi when she's able to cast black holes in episode 8, so it's more like Uzi prime but without having fused with the Solver. The OP was clear about this during the last fights.

it dosent matter if she can, it matters if she will. Beserk uzi and base uzi are not in the same state of mind

 

[RealDuker98]

So what does Tien have against Uzi's hax?

 

[Thunderman101]

So what does Tien have against Uzi's hax?

idk, but like i said we need proof she actually starts with those when shes not giga bloodlusted

 

[Soul80]

That was in her Solver form tho, ya know, her berserk form

Does it really matter? She was still conscious,
Her berserk forms focusing on her mental state, her BIQ are still the same as in base form.

 

[ArrestedForRobbery]

it dosent matter if she can, it matters if she will. Beserk uzi and base uzi are not in the same state of mind

Knowing that she can't normally harm him would be a reason for her to start by imploding him

 

[Soul80]

it dosent matter if she can, it matters if she will. Beserk uzi and base uzi are not in the same state of mind

It actually does.
We literally saw a scene where she could still talk to V while still being in berserk form

 

[Thunderman101]

Knowing that she can't normally harm him would be a reason for her to start by imploding him

oh yeah they both get prior knowledge. Dosent it just not work if uzi cant see it, feel like tenshinhan has etter travel speed

It actually does.
We literally saw a scene where she could still talk to V while still being in berserk form

by this logic talking to someone while drunk and talking to someone while not drunk are the same thing with absolutley no differences. Youre the same person but youre obviously still going to act differently. The reason she started making people go boom boom was because she was bloodlusted.

 

[Niko]

it dosent matter if she can, it matters if she will. Beserk uzi and base uzi are not in the same state of mind

Uzi's only choice of weapon/power is literally her Solver, nothing else. The match's rules already stated both combatants know about each other's previous matches, so that kind of question is pointless. Her only action ever against a "human" (spoiler: it wasn't a human) was trying to immobilize her with her solver while she was panicking and she was still viewing her as an ally.

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And if we go by Base Uzi in Episode 8 (before devouring Cyn), she went with Null throw instead (Both Uzi and Cyn can't spawn Null on each other's body because they're both solvers), if Uzi was up against a living being, she would end Tien immediately with other solver mode.

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[RealDuker98]

idk, but like i said we need proof she actually starts with those when shes not giga bloodlusted

Even if you wanna argue this(which doesn't make sense, she was still conscious in her blood lusted form), what args does Tien have against emo grape.

 

[Kirua29]

id like to see more examples, that was a bloodlusted uzi under the solvers control i think?

Sure.
Uzi vs J ep 1
Uzi vs Doll ep 3 (N save V, and Uzi immediately launches hostilities against Doll)
Uzi vs the worker drones ep 4 (I've already said this, but I'll say it again.)
Uzi vs Cyn ep 8

Otherwise, the only times Uzi doesn’t start a fight with a 100% lethal attack are when she’s caught off guard. The only real exception, where she actually could have reacted, is her brief fight against Cyn in Episode 7.

 

[Thunderman101]

Even if you wanna argue this(which doesn't make sense, she was still conscious in her blood lusted form), what args does Tien have against emo grape.

it only works in her line of sight right?

all of uzis arguments in this tournament have come down to explosion diff so does she even qualify for the tiersetter...

Even if you wanna argue this(which doesn't make sense, she was still conscious in her blood lusted form), what args does Tien have against emo grape.

Im not gonna further engage this because theres four people against one and thats the easiest way to lose a debate;. Waiting for tien supporters

 

[Thunderman101]

Sure.
Uzi vs J ep 1
Uzi vs Doll ep 3 (N save V, and Uzi immediately launches hostilities against Doll)
Uzi vs the worker drones ep 4 (I've already said this, but I'll say it again.)
Uzi vs Cyn ep 8

Otherwise, the only times Uzi doesn’t start a fight with a 100% lethal attack are when she’s caught off guard. The only real exception, where she actually could have reacted, is her brief fight against Cyn in Episode 7.

literally all of these things are not explosions from the inside and are very dodgebale. Doll literally blocked it

 

[Soul80]

by this logic talking to someone while drunk and talking to someone while not drunk are the same thing with absolutley no differences. Youre the same person but youre obviously still going to act differently. The reason she started making people go boom boom was because she was bloodlusted.

Those should false assumption tho
You see, drunk people still acting way more more different than their average state while Uzi still acting sane as her base form in berserk mode.
However, this is also should support that it doesn't affect her BIQ as I said before

 

[Thunderman101]

Those should false assumption tho
You see, drunk people still acting way more more different than their average state while Uzi still acting sane as her base form in berserk mode.
However, this is also should support that it doesn't affect her BIQ as I said before

Sooo basically uzi has exploded people from the inside once and it was in a state where she wanted to kill everyone....... sigh

 

[RealDuker98]

all of uzis arguments in this tournament have come down to explosion diff so does she even qualify for the tiersetter...

The tiersetter was Khadgar who has resistance to explosion manipulation. Unless there is another rule I'm missing.

 

[Soul80]

Sooo basically uzi has exploded people from the inside once and it was in a state where she wanted to kill everyone....... sigh

However, this is also should support that it doesn't affect her BIQ as I said before

Hope we're understand each other in this.

 

[Thunderman101]

The tiersetter was Khadgar who has resistance to explosion manipulation. Unless there is another rule I'm missing.

does he have resistance to neck snap . pretty sure in the one instance you showed me against the npc drones it was a neck snap anyways

 

[RealDuker98]

does he have resistance to neck snap . pretty sure in the one instance you showed me against the npc drones it was a neck snap anyways

Via telekinesis which Khadgar has resistance to.

 

[Niko]

Uzi's only choice of weapon/power is literally her Solver, nothing else. The match's rules already stated both combatants know about each other's previous matches, so that kind of question is pointless. Her only action ever against a "human" (spoiler: it wasn't a human) was trying to immobilize her with her solver while she was panicking and she was still viewing her as an ally.

Gyazo Screen Video

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And if we go by Base Uzi in Episode 8 (before devouring Cyn), she went with Null throw instead (Both Uzi and Cyn can't spawn Null on each other's body because they're both solvers), if Uzi was up against a living being, she would end Tien immediately with other solver mode.

Gyazo Screen Video

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mfw he didn't respond to this

Gyazo

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[Soul80]

does he have resistance to neck snap .

Resistance to what again?

 

[Thunderman101]

Hope we're understand each other in this.

Youre banking on a thing she used once while she was designed to go very angry kill all and never did again. She was bloodlusted, bloodlusted characters will go for the kill in more lethal ways more often.

Via telekinesis which Khadgar has resistance to.

spawns a black hole inside him idk

Sure.
Uzi vs J ep 1
Uzi vs Doll ep 3 (N save V, and Uzi immediately launches hostilities against Doll)
Uzi vs the worker drones ep 4 (I've already said this, but I'll say it again.)
Uzi vs Cyn ep 8

Otherwise, the only times Uzi doesn’t start a fight with a 100% lethal attack are when she’s caught off guard. The only real exception, where she actually could have reacted, is her brief fight against Cyn in Episode 7.

sorry too long can u put some mobile game over it

 

[RealDuker98]

spawns a black hole inside him idk

Has resistance to black hole creation as well

 

[Thunderman101]

Uzi's only choice of weapon/power is literally her Solver, nothing else. The match's rules already stated both combatants know about each other's previous matches, so that kind of question is pointless. Her only action ever against a "human" (spoiler: it wasn't a human) was trying to immobilize her with her solver while she was panicking and she was still viewing her as an ally.

Gyazo Screen Video

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And if we go by Base Uzi in Episode 8 (before devouring Cyn), she went with Null throw instead (Both Uzi and Cyn can't spawn Null on each other's body because they're both solvers), if Uzi was up against a living being, she would end Tien immediately with other solver mode.

Gyazo Screen Video

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forgot about this gimme a sec

Is there a source for the they cant spawn because theyre both solvers

tessa being a human dosent really change much. In the clips ive seen with uzi so far its null throws, null throws and null throws or anything but the neck snap

 

[Thunderman101]

Has resistance to black hole creation as well

mfw he didn't respond to this

Gyazo

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does she even know she cant damage him. Seeing someones previous fight does not make it so sjhe knows her exact zt value down to the micro

ok, thats a mistake on my part

 

[Thunderman101]

if i watch a ufc fighters fight, that dosent mean i know how strong they can punch at full strength. I said i would disengage i dont know why im not disengaging im going to lose this

 

[Soul80]

Youre banking on a thing she used once while she was designed to go very angry kill all and never did again. She was bloodlusted, bloodlusted characters will go for the kill in more lethal ways more often.

Is there will be any actually counter arguments ? Like I already elaborated on this point while you just repeated the same thing though?
I really don't want circulate at the same point if there no progress in this anyway)

 

[Thunderman101]

It actually does.
We literally saw a scene where she could still talk to V while still being in berserk form

her being able to talk to someone while bloodlusted does not change the fact that she has only done this while bloodlusted, and has never done this agin. Neither does the fact that her biq changes and you spouting random fallacies wont change that

 

[Thunderman101]

Even if you wanna argue this(which doesn't make sense, she was still conscious in her blood lusted form), what args does Tien have against emo grape.

even if she was still concious, she was bloodlusted which was the whole reason why she sawed the dude neck off

 

[Kirua29]

literally all of these things are not explosions from the inside and are very dodgebale. Doll literally blocked it

Doll blocks it because she has the same power as Uzi.

Furthermore, the power of the Uzi works by modifying the X,Y,Z angles, so this means that there is no resistance applied.It's not exactly telekinesis, it's more like a video game developer deciding to select an object and delete it, we understand this thanks to the Glitch Inn.

sorry too long can u put some mobile game over it

XD