1, gen 1 anime stupidity. People had guns, Misty tried to protect herself against a Ghastly with a cross. Nobody knew where the anime was heading and inconsistencies were made.
Touche, I provide you proof and you handwave it as references, only to bring in "proof" that could be disproved by quite literally paying attention to the media you are consuming.
Its not proof that the anime and Games take place in the same canon whatsoever, because theres 1000 other things that prove its not the same.
not specifically the one we see in the anime but definitely a parallel version of it.
I mean yeah that is wrong, I just really don't want to have to deal with half a dozen people ignoring context and evidence for bigger number that if I remove will likely be added back under my notice a month later.
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Does this 'parallel' version of it operate in the same way as the anime?
It would if the game was turned into an anime lol
Buddy, I don't think they follow any quota at all. Inconsistencies ravage the games and the anime. Games have underleveled evolved Pokemon, Anime can have a move look 2 different ways in the same arc. There is no consistency in Pokemon so trying to find the same between them would be pointless.
'if' but it wasnt.
Doesnt mean we mix the anime and games then? Games having a Level 45 Hydreigon or w/e doesnt mean its valid to overlook how the anime functions differently
Because it's a game dawg, don't be stupid. The game literally has special animations on YT that show some of the events from a different angle, the Pokemon fight quite literally the same way as in the anime.
Because it's the difference between game restrictions and anime dawg, I don't understand how this is so hard for you to comperhend. Shit, the games aren't even consistent with themselves, Z-A literally just deleted PP.
We can as long as we account for things that don't work together.
Except it doesn't function differently, it just functions outside of the game box. If you think that the game canon is that when you battle a box with the fight option appears near you then there's genuienly something wrong with you.
They dont no? Just because theyre both animated fight scenes doesnt mean they take place in the same canon lol
Doesnt mean we should mix and composite. That...literally has 0 correlation
Obviously not what im saying?
Never said that, I'm saying they work generally the same, not accounting for PP and such and even using the enviroment to enhance their power.
Doesn't mean we cannot when they're parallel universes, the parallel universes only being different in specific instances.
Then speak clearer
The stories are different, but there is no canon of which you speak of. Diamond and Platinum are both canon games. Red and Yellow are both canon games. Major events can happen and change in the stories and that's just the ones we see. Post-Guzzlord Alola is a canon timeline, Kartana grove exists in a canon timeline. They have different major events but that doesn't make them any less canon. Same should be said about anime, which clearly is connected with the games.
So far you've brought up one 'inconsistent' instance that, as it turned out, wasn't even inconsistent.
Repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make you more right. If Ash exists within the canon, and he does, your denial is not based on facts but on your own opinion, then the canons can overlap. They can operate together and we can mix them as long as we're careful.
Except they're not composites, all wild Pokemon past the inconsistent gen 1 have pretty much the same pokedex entries as the games, meaning the animals researched by the in-game scientists are not different despite being in parallel worlds. Again, Ash exists in the games. We are seeing the game timelines but nothing says that within the infinite amount of universes there can't be an infinite amount of Ash-centric universes.
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If a character from MvC appeared in the canon comics and specifically referred to events from MvC then that'd be a different story. This is what happened to Ash here, who isn't even the only anime character who exists in the game.
Well yeah im not gonna write an entire list of everything the anime does that you cant in the games, and every time the general logic fails.
Ash doesn't exist in the games beyond references. Which, fun references dont cut it. Even if he was, he;d be a different variant that never achieved the same feats as Ash did (since he player did)
Good cause they shouldnt be to begin with. The anime can maybe give some separate context but if we use the games for the profiles, then we stick to those. Anime profiles for individuals can get separate ones.
Nobody cares about inconsistencies that happen because of a writing error. If you bring evidence then it better be rock solid.
His Pokemon exist, Ash-Greninja exists, which requires Ash to be present in that world. Also, the Alain mention was not even an event thing, it just happened because the writers wanted to. These aren't just fun references, these are things that exist within the game world, stop pretending they aren't
So he'd be a parallel Ash, like in the anime episodes where we also meet a parallel Ash
And I think that's counterproductive and lame. Gamefreak gives us a proper visualization of how things would play out without game mechanics and you're going "nah, we don't care bout that".
Things like "ground type Furret" that got stated that one time for whatever reason is a writing error. If you have examples not like that then please, do share them.
I was more along the lines of...the anime follows a completely separate character and journey than the games mainly?
Again, doesn't really matter in the multiversal scale
If the game had more options than 4 moves then maybe you could
It...does
And since we have evidence of parallel universes not having much difference between each other in terms of power and abilities, yet again, it doesn't matter. Good night.
Changing stats, no matter how minor, without a prior content revision thread is against the rules.
Ok wait, back up, how can you know that there is "0 way" that the canon split was debunked if you don't even know the arguments for it?
I mean, I'd already found it, but thanks:Pokémon: Nearly Everything is Canon
As some may recall, years ago a sort of canon split was done across all Pokémon media, considering each series, including the manga and animes, as separate canons. However, the reasons for this are questionable and simply go against the overall way the canon for the series works. There are...vsbattles.com
This is the thread.
I think I found it. I'm posting it here so I can come back without having to save it, and so Jinx666 can take a look if he wants, since he seems to be the one most against the current standards of verse.
Pokémon: Nearly Everything is Canon
As some may recall, years ago a sort of canon split was done across all Pokémon media, considering each series, including the manga and animes, as separate canons. However, the reasons for this are questionable and simply go against the overall way the canon for the series works. There are...
Because its silly in general to claim that the statement. 'debunked' (suggesting its nonsensical and perfectly proven that the games and anime taken place in the same canon).
Oh, I didn't see that! Well, uh, you're welcome, I guess.
Ok, but aren't you being pretty conceited yourself for entirely dismissing the arguments before even looking at them?
Its weird in itself to pretend our world and whatever happens in Go is canon to it, but the latest Pokemon Champions trailer made a separation of the 'main Pokemon RPG series' and 'Pokemon Go'. I dont think we needed proof in general, but the verse is seriously using a Pokemon Go thing for its main speed feat. (The Gimmighoul stuff is weird cause like, in-lore Gimmighoul can just be separate from its chest? It actually exists in the game, you wouldnt be reliant on Pokemon Go canonically for someone to obtain one)
Yeah because i can tell theres an agenda on one hand, and its trying to be considered composite over general referencing and meta-stuff like 'Mystery Gifts' over the clear and blatant fact that the Anime, Games and Manga are separate continuities. Flat out.
There is genuinely no point. I could write for years and years and go over every single anime game consistency (I have a life), but it'll never pass because people desperately want to keep this compositing. Thats why i hate when people go 'lol make a CRT' like thats not a massive waste of effort and entirely dependent no matter the quality (it gets weaponised). Already got a CRT too btw but because its reliant on staff votes only, nothing gets done.
Yes, In fact, you can find them like this in Scarlet/Violet, but when you interact with them they escape and leave 1 coin.
I think I heavily disagree on separating it on this reasoning. I watched the trailer for Champions and literally all they say is that you can bring pokemon to Champions "From games in the Pokemon RPG series AND the Pokemon GO app", the word 'main' didn't come up at all and its one statement, which isn't a strong reason to suddenly claim the connections they've made are suddenly invalid, that doesn't seem to really say much, and even still shows that they consider connectivity to GO important.
Good thing I wasn't trying to say this once instance was debunking absolutely everything?
I mean thats a pretty strong argument with the common sense factor, because sadly people will grasp at straws the second something is referenced without thinking practically that this...really shouldnt affect Mainline scaling whatsoever. Powerscalers zoom in on all this to try and make the most intricate and 'blinkandyoumissit' arguments but its very obv the authors intent isnt the way most of the time.
I don't think a promotional video really proves they exist in the same continutiy as Scarlet/Violet, especially when we know the intent. Gimmighoul, like Meltan, debuted in Pokemon Go as a way to gauge interest and advertise. Later, the games can accomodate for them.
I mean you can make the CRT but i think i'll genuinely lose hope if people vote to keep it around (and they might as well do that ebcause the verse is just...way too much work and outdated to properly fix as a unit.)
Well i mean, thanks for telling me but its pretty obvious that until the recent ban, people have just been letting go with this canon split.
It's only confimration is being within the 'multiverse' of pokemon, which is what every strand of Pokemon is already (and with most verses)
