Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[Mr. Bambu]

I would like to note that you, as many other people here before, for some reason, default to a single conclusion, when all you have is a cut-out single message

I already explained the meaning, purpose and reasoning of that message here

I saw your explanation, I do not accept it as a likely excuse. I find your message especially damning, and have judged it as such.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I think this all comes off as very damning. Harassing authors about powerscaling at all is against the rules, and I think extra condemnation can be extended for very obvious intent displayed by some of these posts. Manipulating it so it doesn't come off as powerscaling-esque seems to imply further intent to use these questions in CRTs, regardless of whether they were used at all, and certainly seems actively malicious. I disagree with the interpretations of Planck, in this regard.

It's my belief that a warning should be given to relevant parties, and at the very least @AlexSamDen is deserving of a brief ban. The implications of his actions are, in my opinion, impossible to benevolently interpret. We cannot say for certain that everyone on that server was so aligned to manipulate the context to bypass VSBW's rulings regarding WoG, mostly they were asking powerscaling adjacent questions that may or may not have been malevolently used. Alex's actions give me no doubt as to his intentions, at least.

I would also agree with Lephyr that given how many users contributed to this, and the extent of the planning around this to potentially obfuscate all context, I believe a verse rule should be implemented for Tensura outright banning the use of WoG. Someday, it seems to me we ought to simply ban the use of WoG at all, given how often it becomes such an extreme problem, how often users are tempted to abuse the goodwill of the authors producing various works for the sake of making characters stronger. For now, it is apparent to me that Tensura is in desperate need of it.

These are my full thoughts.

I feel like this is unfair in Alex's regard. So I'll try to elaborate to the best of my ability

Most of the tensura random already knows that Fuse doesn't even read most of the replies and questions he gets asked. I mean, just look at the pages between 1 to 500 here, and then compare it to the pages from like 700 to 1400. Fuse used to reply to every msg in the past decade but now he replies to nothing (hell I doubt he's even reading them due to how busy he is).

So when things like this and this and this slips out one has to wonder if the fans have any hope of it being read by Fuse to begin with. And for my part, when I made something like this back in 2023 (yes, literally 3 years ago) the only thing I had in mind along with my friends was goofing around. And did fuse read this? Based on his current progress and ending of the story I don't think so.

And compared to back then he isn't any less busy right now with the writing of the after stories on the corners.

---

That was some things on Fuse himself, but let's talk about Alex.
What he offered to do would be basically to convert dumb questions like "Is X Multivrsal/Outerversal" to more in-verse and relevant questions like "What do you refer to when you say destroy this world etc."

Are those questions harmful to the author? Eh, he doesn't read them, and even if he did, no. Asking something about things in the story instead of yanking power scaling BS into your questions isn't "harming/harrasing" the author per say. This is like saying "oh, I'm harrasing the math teacher becuase I'm questioning his method of formulating an answer". Whether the intention of the person is to annoy the teacher or to genuinely ask something they were curious on, is not someone else's right to judge unless you got something like Alex saying "oh hey, let's annoy fuse by raiding him with questions", and assuming him to be in bad faith when he has no past record of doing so is.... Unfair. It's like when you're forcing someone to admit they did something that they never did, and because they aren't admitting they did it (because they just didn't), you're concluding they must be hiding something. And no, this isn't some "maybe he just joined recently", Alex has been a part of this community for almost an year now, yet we don't see him going around using WoG he himself asked or anything falling on that line of thought.

Also, there are like tons and tons of people asking Fuse powerscaling BS in his blog page, so instead of stopping those guys, you're now trying to actively ban someone who's actually trying to make sure the questions aren't filled with powerscaling BS and somehow equating it to breaking vsbw rules when the "evidence" is from

• A private invite-only server
• A private chat in that private server
• Something a person is doing becuase they want to in their personal time outside vsbw and has no past record of involving any of that with vsbw for specific

I mean to me it seems like you're quite literally restricting what someone can do in their personal life that has nothing to do with you. Like come on mate, this is some messed up secret society lvl BS you see in manga if you're restricting someone even outside of what they do with their personal life outside this wiki.

There are also hundreds of power scaling wiki. I myself for one use vsbw, csap, afbw, and so many more. What I do on vsbw has nothing to do with afbw and vice versa unless it's some vandalisation rule breaking or harrasing the other wiki's members.

Now feel free to delete this isn't relevant to the topic in your eyes, but seeing the conversation up this is only appearing like you guys want to control our personal lives just because we are members of this wiki, and that's no different than something I believe you should already know.

I don't care if I get called out for this, but as a member of this wiki, this level of control over your members and breech into their personal life certainly isn't a feeling like eating mangoes to me.

Just because people are members of this wiki doesn't mean they don't have a personal life outside it.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Are those questions harmful to the author? Eh, he doesn't read them, and even if he did, no. Asking something about things in the story instead of yanking power scaling BS into your questions isn't "harming/harrasing" the author per say. This is like saying "oh, I'm harrasing the math teacher becuase I'm questioning his method of formulating an answer". Whether the intention of the person is to annoy the teacher or to genuinely ask something they were curious on, is not someone else's right to judge unless you got something like Alex saying "oh hey, let's annoy fuse by raiding him with questions", and assuming him to be in bad faith when he has no past record of doing so is.... Unfair. It's like when you're forcing someone to admit they did something that they never did. And no, this isn't some "maybe he just joined recently", Alex has been a part of this community for almost an year now, yet we don't see him going around using WoG he himself asked or anything falling on that line of thought.

I need you to understand, that it is against our rules to pester the author. I'm fully aware of what Alex was offering to do. Whether it is likely that the author will respond to the pestering and harassment is immaterial-- that it was being done was sufficient for a warning. Alex's punishment is to be stricter, in my opinion, because he was attempting to circumvent the rules in this matter by obfuscating the intent of the question. This isn't the same as asking a math teacher questions at all.

It is already in bad faith to be doing this. To be doing this with implicit intent is even worse, and it is my opinion that the screenshots provided more than justify that implicit intent. It's my opinion that it is already generous to not assume the worst of all of you-- that all of you were actively attempting to pass questions to the Word of God on the off chance that you got something done for the wiki to upgrade your character to be stronger than other characters.

Also, there are like tons and tons of people asking Fuse powerscaling BS in his blog page, so instead of stopping those guys, you're now trying to actively ban someone who's actually trying to make sure the questions aren't filled with powerscaling BS and somehow equating it to breaking vsbw rules when the "evidence" is from

• A private invite-only server
• A private chat in that private server
• Something a person is doing becuase they want to in their personal time outside vsbw and has no past record of involving any of that with vsbw for specific

Tell me their accounts and I'll reprimand them all the same. If they're not on VSBW, then I don't know how to make this "fair" in your view, nor is it my concern. Also, I find you to be dishonest in your presentation. Alex's offer was to rephrase questions, not to remove powerscaling BS. The plan was very obviously to approach the creator to ask them powerscaling questions-- which is, as I must repeat, very much against our rules, and has repeatedly resulted in bans in the past, regardless of past behavior-- and Alex offered to change how they were phrased. His explanation of this was so that the creator could understand (despite your position that this creator receives these questions all the time); however, it seems more likely, given the subject matter, that the intent was to carefully work around delicate words so that any answers might be admissible. The two defenses offered are contradictory, and I find neither to be likely.

I mean to me it seems like you're quite literally restricting what someone can do in their personal life that has nothing to do with you. Like come on mate, this is some messed up secret society lvl BS you see in manga if you're restricting someone even outside of what they do with their personal life outside this wiki.

I would find it hard to believe if any other staff member has spoken as often as I have about the importance of the delineation of real life and the wiki in regards to our rules. I have repeatedly pushed for offsite offenses to be kept out of consideration. I don't care what you do off site. However, when an offense such as this pops up, directly relevant to the site, directly in position to influence the site through manipulative means, it is within our jurisdiction, and no defense of "personal privacy" matters.

You guys got caught before you could do anything with the potential answers you were asking. I would consider that a blessing.

There are also hundreds of power scaling wiki. I myself for one use vsbw, csap, afbw, and so many more. What I do on vsbw has nothing to do with afbw and vice versa unless it's some vandalisation rule breaking or harrasing the other wiki's members.

But you are a user on our wiki. And you broke our rules. As did Alex, as did the others.

Now feel free to delete this if you want to, but seeing the conversation up this is only appearing like you guys want to control our personal lives just because we are members of this wiki, and that's no different than something I believe you should already know.

I don't care if I get called out for this, but as a member of this wiki this level of control over your members and breech into their personal life certainly isn't a feeling like eating mangoes to me.

I'm getting tired of this defense. You broke the rules! The rules are written so anyone can see them. We weren't barging into your servers, demanding to see your chat logs! You are not being oppressed. Someone with a moral conscience in your invite-only server saw you guys breaking the rules, and reported you. The constant defense of "oh, but we were off site!!" is utter nonsense.

That this is the defense only makes me more certain. The defense is simply that you, and everyone else, were caught when you did not wish to be, and feel you should not be punished because it was private. I do not care.

To reiterate, because I fear posts being consumed by walls of text and replies: I am suggesting a 1-2 month ban for Alex, and a strict warning to all other involved users. I feel it is fairly plainly obvious what the intent was, and whether they claim they would not have used any replies for VSBW or not, it remains a rule violation to even ask. If there is nothing else novel in terms of defense, I ask that the deliberation be left to staff with a say in such matters.

 

[RitsuØ1]

Whether the intention of the person is to annoy the teacher or to genuinely ask something they were curious on, is not someone else's right to judge unless you got something like Alex saying "oh hey, let's annoy fuse by raiding him with questions", and assuming him to be in bad faith when he has no past record of doing so is.... Unfair.

It’s late here. I just want to give my input here before logging off again as I have to wake up early. About this part. Having no past record is irrelevant. Like “I committed a crime but I don’t have a past record, so I shouldn’t be arrested” when you should be. Law is law. You shouldn’t have commited a crime in the first place. Same thing is applied here. His intentions of asking Fuse for WoG to what it seems to be power scaling, it breaks the site rules. Rules are rules. If you break the rules, you are going to be punished. There is no going around this. This is not unfair.

 

[Reiner04]

To reiterate, because I fear posts being consumed by walls of text and replies: I am suggesting a 1-2 month ban for Alex, and a strict warning to all other involved users. I feel it is fairly plainly obvious what the intent was, and whether they claim they would not have used any replies for VSBW or not, it remains a rule violation to even ask. If there is nothing else novel in terms of defense, I ask that the deliberation be left to staff with a say in such matters.

I am fine with the warning for involved members. For Alex i think 1 month ban is fine.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I need you to understand, that it is against our rules to pester the author. I'm fully aware of what Alex was offering to do. Whether it is likely that the author will respond to the pestering and harassment is immaterial-- that it was being done was sufficient for a warning.

I would, for one, ask you to not term this as "harassment". Asking a writer a question about their novel doesn't always equate to annoying them. Some authors love replying to questions, even (see page 800-1400 of the link I gave).

Just becuase I asked an author once about which character among two in-verse characters is stronger, is not "harassment". There's a big line between harassment and curiosity.

You cannot take someone else's right to ask someone a question just becuase they are a user here.
I would say "battleboarding questions" is a very broad term and that should be changed in the rules. You can ask an author "is Naruto stronger than Sasuke" and that would be considered a battleboarding question too, but is it something that shouldn't be asked? No, that's just BS.

Alex's punishment is to be stricter, in my opinion, because he was attempting to circumvent the rules in this matter by obfuscating the intent of the question. This isn't the same as asking a math teacher questions at all.

We have no proof that he was trying to circumvent our rules in specific. We both know most authors like to not answer questions filled with jargon they don't understand. A question like "is X multiversal" is bad, but a question like "can Goku destroy the hyperbolic time chamber" isn't becuase 1 is purely powerscaling and the latter can also just be a genuine question at the author.

Also, powerscalers tend to will whatever they say with jargon unconsciously. I mean, I have known people who use powerscaling terms in daily-life conversations and I have to remind them to try and use a more understanding-friendly language. So if someone is offering someone else to proofread their question before posting becuase it might be filled with things the author doesn't understand, isn't so "rule breaking" as trying to circumvent our leading question rule.

And even then, is he using those questions and answers on vsbw? NO.

It is already in bad faith to be doing this. To be doing this with implicit intent is even worse, and it is my opinion that the screenshots provided more than justify that implicit intent.

The screenshots, at least the ones I'm saying, mention questions like:

• Is Hinata's MWI false or true (this is an in-verse topic strictly speaking, even outside battleboarding)
• Every worod ahs diff laws of physics (this is also literally a statement from a volume in the light novel)
• What is the promised land (this is literally an in-verse term)
• Mass of infons (this is once again an in-verse topic)

Just becuase a verse is filled with hax and a tier 2 or above cosmology doesn't make all questions related to it illegal. I mean otherwise it's like saying "we won't let you ask the author any question because your verse already has many OP things!"

The only "actual" power scaling BS filled question I can see are these, but you know what? This is literally from 2023, before I even started doing anything on vsbw.

So you're basically doing something like "punishing an adult for something they did as a teenager 3 years later".

It's my opinion that it is already generous to not assume the worst of all of you-- that all of you were actively attempting to pass questions to the Word of God on the off chance that you got something done for the wiki to upgrade your character to be stronger than other characters.

Not once has any of us used a WoG filled with powerscaling BS to make an upgrade here (I'm speaking on behalf of tensura, not Ninjago since I don't know whatever they do here nor keep track of it). The only WoG we have ever uses is either from official interviews we have no control over or from QnAs back from 2013, more than a decade ago.

So assuming something we're doing in our free time is explicitly for vsbw when in the time of 2 months between this report and those questions, is unfair.

In cases like this where the actual punishment worthy thing is "he WOULD HAVE done it" instead of "he actually already did it" (use that wog here), past records actually matter.

Tell me their accounts and I'll reprimand them all the same. If they're not on VSBW, then I don't know how to make this "fair" in your view, nor is it my concern.

Exactly (bolded part), and nor should it be if your concern of what a user here does in their personal life outside vsbw.

Also, I find you to be dishonest in your presentation. Alex's offer was to rephrase questions, not to remove powerscaling BS.

I will quote his offer here:

So it doesn't at least look like powerscaling sh**

How do you interpret this?
As him removing powerscaling BS from the question or rephrasing the question but still keeping the powerscaling BS?
Becuase his offer is to specifically rephrase the question SO that it doesn't look like powerscaling BS.

But if you think otherwise, I feel like this is more a matter of different opinions than dishonesty

(despite your position that this creator receives these questions all the time)

And he does get those questions, as I even gave proof of readers asking those questions.

So when things like this and this and this slips out

; however, it seems more likely, given the subject matter, that the intent was to carefully work around delicate words so that any answers might be admissible. The two defenses offered are contradictory, and I find neither to be likely.

So now asking something like "can Goku destroy the time chamber" as bannable as "is X Multiversal"?

I would find it hard to believe if any other staff member has spoken as often as I have about the importance of the delineation of real life and the wiki in regards to our rules. I have repeatedly pushed for offsite offenses to be kept out of consideration. I don't care what you do off site. However, when an offense such as this pops up, directly relevant to the site, directly in position to influence the site through manipulative means, it is within our jurisdiction, and no defense of "personal privacy" matters.

That only is under your jurisdiction if the users actually use those questions on vsbw, which they don't. Like, it's been 2 months in between and we haven't used anything like that here. Are we really gonna assume in the absense of actual past cases that we magically would use them now?

You guys got caught before you could do anything with the potential answers you were asking. I would consider that a blessing.

I think you're misunderstanding something here. We already have answers to the questions. We could use this for pushing some hax for other dimensions if we wanted to, but we didn't. Why? Becuase these questions were to fill personal questions, bit whatever everyone here is theorizing.

But you are a user on our wiki. And you broke our rules.

To my memory I wasn't a user (or well, that was the date I made my first msg on vsbw) in context to the question I myself asked.

Is that also breaking the rules and punishment worthy 3 year later now? Punishing a 3rd year for not entering the office in the correct way in his first day of his first year?

I'm getting tired of this defense. You broke the rules! The rules are written so anyone can see them. We weren't barging into your servers, demanding to see your chat logs! You are not being oppressed. Someone with a moral conscience in your invite-only server saw you guys breaking the rules, and reported you. The constant defense of "oh, but we were off site!!" is utter nonsense.

That this is the defense only makes me more certain. The defense is simply that you, and everyone else, were caught when you did not wish to be, and feel you should not be punished because it was private. I do not care.

If it was about fear of getting caught, we would not have made it so obvious that we were asking him questions.

Asking questions is an entirely different thing than using them on vsbw.

To reiterate, because I fear posts being consumed by walls of text and replies: I am suggesting a 1-2 month ban for Alex, and a strict warning to all other involved users. I feel it is fairly plainly obvious what the intent was, and whether they claim they would not have used any replies for VSBW or not, it remains a rule violation to even ask. If there is nothing else novel in terms of defense, I ask that the deliberation be left to staff with a say in such matters.

I would like to ask, will I get an official warning to the log for something I did 3 years around the time when I was as new as a baby to vsbw, now 3 years later?

It’s late here. I just want to give my input here before logging off again as I have to wake up early. About this part. Having no past record is irrelevant. Like “I committed a crime but I don’t have a past record, so I shouldn’t be arrested” when you should be. Law is law. You shouldn’t have commited a crime in the first place. Same thing is applied here. His intentions of asking Fuse for WoG to what it seems to be power scaling, it breaks the site rules. Rules are rules. If you break the rules, you are going to be punished. There is no going around this. This is not unfair.

This is not even nearly the same lvl of analogy we are talking about. It's not about "I committed a crime now but my past records are clear", it's about "I didn't commit a crime, you guys are assuming I did becuase you think I have bad intentions and WOULD HAVE used the WoG on vsbw when I never did so in the past, even the 2 months between that WoG and the report right now".

Edit: I'll be busy with something else now so my next reply (if needed) might be late.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I would, for one, ask you to not term this as "harassment". Asking a writer a question about their novel doesn't always equate to annoying them. Some authors love replying to questions, even (see page 800-1400 of the link I gave).

Just becuase I asked an author once about which character among two in-verse characters is stronger, is not "harassment". There's a big line between harassment and curiosity.

You cannot take someone else's right to ask someone a question just becuase they are a user here.
I would say "battleboarding questions" is a very broad term and that should be changed in the rules. You can ask an author "is Naruto stronger than Sasuke" and that would be considered a battleboarding question too, but is it something that shouldn't be asked? No, that's just BS.

By definition in terms of our rules, that is what that equates to. It is harassment. We have codified it as such, for very good reason.

We have no proof that he was trying to circumvent our rules in specific. We both know most authors like to not answer questions filled with jargon they don't understand. A question like "is X multiversal" is bad, but a question like "can Goku destroy the hyperbolic time chamber" isn't becuase 1 is purely powerscaling and the latter can also just be a genuine question at the author.

Also, powerscalers tend to will whatever they say with jargon unconsciously. I mean, I have known people who use powerscaling terms in daily-life conversations and I have to remind them to try and use a more understanding-friendly language. So if someone is offering someone else to proofread their question before posting becuase it might be filled with things the author doesn't understand, isn't so "rule breaking" as trying to circumvent our leading question rule.

And even then, is he using those questions and answers on vsbw? NO.

We do. To ask the questions at all is a rule violation. Extending any powerscaling question to a creator is against our policies, one of the few offsite rules we enforce sternly. I don't care about "genuine questions", because these were not genuine questions. That is the crux of the matter. The offer was to rephrase powerscaling questions.

He isn't using them, but he was also caught before such an eventuality could come about. I cannot see the future any better than you, we may only infer from evidence. What evidence I see, was a server of VSBW users talking at some length about breaking a fairly central rule, and one of them offering to do so in a way that could circumvent that rule and help it go unnoticed. This would do a great deal in making it so he could use it on VSBW.

The screenshots, at least the ones I'm saying, mention questions like:

• Is Hinata's MWI false or true (this is an in-verse topic strictly speaking, even outside battleboarding)
• Every worod ahs diff laws of physics (this is also literally a statement from a volume in the light novel)
• What is the promised land (this is literally an in-verse term)
• Mass of infons (this is once again an in-verse topic)

Just becuase a verse is filled with hax and a tier 2 or above cosmology doesn't make all questions related to it illegal. I mean otherwise it's like saying "we won't let you ask the author any question because your verse already has many OP things!"

The only "actual" power scaling BS filled question I can see are these, but you know what? This is literally from 2023, before I even started doing anything on vsbw.

So you're basically doing something like "punishing an adult for something they did as a teenager 3 years later".

You're pretending as though the explicit issue wasn't that these were powerscaling questions. Alex's offer literally dispels this entirely, man.

Not once has any of us used a WoG filled with powerscaling BS to make an upgrade here (I'm speaking on behalf of tensura, not Ninjago since I don't know whatever they do here nor keep track of it). The only WoG we have ever uses is either from official interviews we have no control over or from QnAs back from 2013, more than a decade ago.

So assuming something we're doing in our free time is explicitly for vsbw when in the time of 2 months between this report and those questions, is unfair.

In cases like this where the actual punishment worthy thing is "he WOULD HAVE done it" instead of "he actually already did it" (use that wog here), past records actually matter.

This part I'm actually aware of. To the best of my knowledge, Tensura does not currently rely on WoG. But the possibility exists (strongly, given the current circumstance) that it may have used WoG in the near future. But that is beside the point. The allegation is not, "you guys made a CRT with prohibited WoG statements". The allegation is, "you guys were attempting to gather prohibited WoG statements". In legal terms, I believe this would be something like "conspiracy to commit" (in addition to the act of sending the questions to begin with, since this is, of course, the central offense). Past record doesn't mean anything for serious infractions, and I consider these extremely serious infractions.

How do you interpret this?
As him removing powerscaling BS from the question or rephrasing the question but still keeping the powerscaling BS?
Becuase his offer is to specifically rephrase the question SO that it doesn't look like powerscaling BS.

But if you think otherwise, I feel like this is more a matter of different opinions than dishonesty

Alex offered to camouflage comments such that they did not appear to be powerscaling stuff. We've seen the same obfuscation for other verses, ranging from your aforementioned Ninjago, to SCP. It is a common tactic to hide the rule violations by trying to make the questions sound "non-brainrotted". I honestly don't know how else you would interpret that-- he very clearly didn't offer to just make them non-powerscaling questions, that would defeat the purpose of asking them in the first place, it changes the very nature of the question.

So now asking something like "can Goku destroy the time chamber" as bannable as "is X Multiversal"?

As with all rules, we must approach them on a case by case basis. I don't know shit about Dragon Ball and intend to keep it that way, however: my stance is that, in general, you would be best off not pestering the creators, as per our rules on the subject, listed on our rules page. If you cannot survive in this manner, should your oxygen be expelled from your lungs forever if you even consider not asking them, then I would suggest not asking them a question that might be construed as being powerscaling related. Are they exactly as bannable? No, probably not, the latter is certainly more explicit. But in terms of the binary of "against the rules" and "not against the rules", both are certainly against the rules, the question would simply be how severely we react, based on contextual information.

That only is under your jurisdiction if the users actually use those questions on vsbw, which they don't. Like, it's been 2 months in between and we haven't used anything like that here. Are we really gonna assume in the absense of actual past cases that we magically would use them now?

You've already had it explained to you in reasonable detail that it is not outside of our jurisdiction. You are blatantly lying. You're also acting as though you have this grand idea of precedence and how we handle things on VSBW, that we are bastardizing enshrined policies by reaching this conclusion-- that you guys broke the rules and that Alex ought to be banned-- when the exact opposite is true. This is, to the best of my recollection, the lightest sentence ever handed out for anything as fishy as this. We're not "magically" using one offense to ban someone-- we've done it many, many, many times in the past. That entirely depends on the severity of the offense.

I think you're misunderstanding something here. We already have answers to the questions. We could use this for pushing some hax for other dimensions if we wanted to, but we didn't. Why? Becuase these questions were to fill personal questions, bit whatever everyone here is theorizing.

chatgpt...

I don't know the context there, but I do know that a screenshot saying "this isn't definitive " reads like the author negging you, anyways. More than any moral conscience, that seems like it would stop any attempt to use it as evidence. Furthermore: you previously defended the notion that Fuse would never reply, anyways. I'm not sure how to take this, which I implicitly understand as a response from Fuse to some question or another you guys asked (which, again, highly against the rules!)

To my memory I wasn't a user (or well, that was the date I made my first msg on vsbw) in context to the question I myself asked.

Is that also breaking the rules and punishment worthy 3 year later now? Punishing a 3rd year for not entering the office in the correct way in his first day of his first year?

Those two dates coinciding is not exactly a pleasant coincidence, you understand.

You keep mischaracterizing this to your own benefit, and I find it extremely dishonest. It is the dishonest way by which this behavior is defended, and the lack of any sort of acceptance of responsibility, that continues to solidify my opinion that these were malevolent acts, intended for manipulation. Nobody has said "that is indeed against the rules, my bad", instead we get "YOU'RE GONNA KILL ME? FOR STEPPING INTO THE OFFICE WRONG? BECAUSE I MOVED MY FOOT AN INCH OUT OF PLACE?" No man. This stuff has led to massive scandals, major headaches in the history of this site. I've been there for a good amount of them. And you know at least part of that history, because you've referred to Ninjago a couple times. Even if you didn't, I think it would be reasonably ascertained why this is such a serious issue, whether you feel you are in the wrong or not. And yet you keep exaggerating how insignificant this is, as if it will convince me to agree that our rules are just wrong and there is no problem with this sort of behavior. It's crazy.

If it was about fear of getting caught, we would not have made it so obvious that we were asking him questions.

Asking questions is an entirely different thing than using them on vsbw.

This defense hinges on me assuming that you would be sly enough to hide your activities when we got here by you guys being discovered. People have admitted to worse things in more public places because they assumed they were safe and among friends.

Asking questions remains. Against. The. Rules.

I would like to ask, will I get an official warning to the log for something I did 3 years around the time when I was as new as a baby to vsbw, now 3 years later?

While the designation of which users would receive a warning had not occurred yet, given your unrepentant attitude, the dishonest means by which you have defended yourself, your clear and repeated ignoring of the rules, I would currently advise yes, you should receive a warning. You do not care about the rule and have repeatedly pretended it does not exist, or was not broken, or is invasive, or is invalid off the wiki-- in order to excuse yourself and others.

This is not even nearly the same lvl of analogy we are talking about. It's not about "I committed a crime now but my past records are clear", it's about "I didn't commit a crime, you guys are assuming I did becuase you think I have bad intentions and WOULD HAVE used the WoG on vsbw when I never did so in the past, even the 2 months between that WoG and the report right now".

For example. Alex did break the rules. He did "commit the crime". You disagree on the extent to which that would have continued, but the fact is that he did break the rules.

 

[Reiner04]

That is enough, everyone. From this point forward, I will delete any comments unless they provide new context or concrete evidence directly related to the report. Refrain from commenting further and let the staffs handle.

 

[Ultimuru]

I just want to add, as my last reply, because I think it's important and nobody mentioned it.

Questions we send to Fuse couldn't be used anyway. Why? Because they are not public. We can send a DM to Fuse with a question, not write the question on his wall. And IF he answers, that answer is also in a form of a private message.

What I mean by that is— If WoG exist strictly in one user's inbox as a screenshot and cannot be checked or verified, it cannot be used for the wiki, because screenshot with an answer can be very easily faked. As far as I know VSBW accept only public statements of the author and not something he whispered to a single user in DM. So Fuse's answers are unusable before anyone even get an answer. Alex couldn't "use them in the future". He couldn't use it at all. No one of us could even if we would want to. So what he did is harmless to the wiki from the mere beginning.

That's my last comment on this. I leave everything else to mods.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Simply talking to the authors in question isn't quite harassment, we are encouraged to use common sense when it comes to noticing what harassment is. But simply asking some trivial questions such as the official height and weight of certain characters or official size of certain countries, continents, planets, or creatures isn't harassment either. They are curious questions asked among Fandom wikis in general (Not even specific battle boarding but stuff like the Naruto Fandom, Dragon Ball Fandom, ect). Of course continuing to ask them despite them clearing giving some signs that they get tired of the same topic and/or especially if they told specific people to leave them alone; prime example is all those times ZaStando kept pestering Ian Flynn despite Flynn telling him of countless/innumerable times to leave him alone. Likewise, comments that express immense hostility are obviously harassment as well. I think it's absolute lunacy for asking them questions to be treated as the same level as for instance telling authors to "Go f*** themself."

That being said, asking some relatively manipulating questions that could stealthily imply to take certain feats, scaling, or hax abilities that are non-sequitur in the actual works seriously is also something frowned upon. Even if it's not harassment per say, tricking authors or staff members into giving some casual "yes-man" responses is still a violation of the rules, and that is what I believe Mr Bambu has intended to say and mean. Though I also think recency is an important thing to factor when it comes to other casual questions like this. If people weren't even VSBW members or probably not even aware of the rules when they even asked questions related to anything like that, I'm not really sure if we can really factor that among newer users, especially if none of the comments they posted on the wiki let alone any content revisions involved any author related conversations. And as others have said, private DMs and public posts are a different story.

I'm neutral regarding the outcome, but I think we should lean towards are more lenient approach. I do not think much of the users involved have done anything ban worthy, and they should preferably avoid factoring anything WoG in any future content revisions for obvious reasons. But it doesn't seem like they really had the most ill intended reasons. Though I will acknowledge that I haven't really gotten a chance to evaluate the full context of what has been going on due to me being busy with RL stuff and plans for an upcoming vacation trip IRL.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I'm neutral regarding the outcome, but I think we should lean towards are more lenient approach. I do not think much of the users involved have done anything ban worthy, and they should preferably avoid factoring anything WoG in any future content revisions for obvious reasons. But it doesn't seem like they really had the most ill intended reasons. Though I will acknowledge that I haven't really gotten a chance to evaluate the full context of what has been going on due to me being busy with RL stuff and plans for an upcoming vacation trip IRL.

I'm fine with your opinion, though I will point out that the proposal is, again, a brief ban for one user, and otherwise extending warnings not to do this again.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Simply talking to the authors in question isn't quite harassment, we are encouraged to use common sense when it comes to noticing what harassment is. But simply asking some trivial questions such as the official height and weight of certain characters or official size of certain countries, continents, planets, or creatures isn't harassment either. They are curious questions asked among Fandom wikis in general (Not even specific battle boarding but stuff like the Naruto Fandom, Dragon Ball Fandom, ect). Of course continuing to ask them despite them clearing giving some signs that they get tired of the same topic and/or especially if they told specific people to leave them alone; prime example is all those times ZaStando kept pestering Ian Flynn despite Flynn telling him of countless/innumerable times to leave him alone. Likewise, comments that express immense hostility are obviously harassment as well. I think it's absolute lunacy for asking them questions to be treated as the same level as for instance telling authors to "Go f*** themself."

That being said, asking some relatively manipulating questions that could stealthily imply to take certain feats, scaling, or hax abilities that are non-sequitur in the actual works seriously is also something frowned upon. Even if it's not harassment per say, tricking authors or staff members into giving some casual "yes-man" responses is still a violation of the rules, and that is what I believe Mr Bambu has intended to say and mean. Though I also think recency is an important thing to factor when it comes to other casual questions like this. If people weren't even VSBW members or probably not even aware of the rules when they even asked questions related to anything like that, I'm not really sure if we can really factor that among newer users, especially if none of the comments they posted on the wiki let alone any content revisions involved any author related conversations. And as others have said, private DMs and public posts are a different story.

I'm neutral regarding the outcome, but I think we should lean towards are more lenient approach. I do not think much of the users involved have done anything ban worthy, and they should preferably avoid factoring anything WoG in any future content revisions for obvious reasons. But it doesn't seem like they really had the most ill intended reasons. Though I will acknowledge that I haven't really gotten a chance to evaluate the full context of what has been going on due to me being busy with RL stuff and plans for an upcoming vacation trip IRL.

This is just my opinion and I know my opinion doesn’t hold the same power but I’m unsure if leniency should even be given. Powerscaling is a hobby which is fine. It’s a hobby to me too. I don’t think answer an author or one with authority basic questions such as the height of a specific character or even ethnicity should be considered a sin. That’s relatively small stuff that harms no one. But the moment you get the idea of trying to manipulate to get an answer you wish to see you’re no longer someone’s who’s innocent. I would understand leniency IF it was merely a thought that had no follow up action but that isn’t the case. He wanted to act as someone or the leader of a group of people who wanted to somewhat hide their tracks. This isn’t okay. I can’t give the exact quantity of how many times this manipulative tactic has been used but it changes nothing since by definition it’s manipulation at the end of the day. Manipulation is still manipulation whether it’s minuscule or done rarely.

Being an active patroller outside of the VBW and even being a verified user means you undoubtedly have to read CRTs. What’s one thing most CRT’s have in common? They’re well thought out, thoroughly researched and are typically swarmed with scans for additional evidence. The same can be said in offsite context. I’m very aware people tend to fake scans and discreetly take things out of context but that makes you no better than them. You’re arguably equals or worse. You knew the ins and outs you knew the effort required and what you did which is obvious manipulation isn’t requiring of any genuine effort. You wanted to take the easy and morally wrong way out of getting quicker results. Just like those CRT’s whether offsite or onsite this was planned out and reeks of no sportsmanship.

Instead of wanting to go down the stress free route which is VERY possible since they have fantastic examples of CRT’s here at their disposal they ultimately decided to use other means. Even if it hadn’t been used now well entirely at least, sooner or later it would’ve been.

I said this before but I’m unsure of whether a ban would or a brief ban is necessary but this is manipulation we’re talking about. Even if they’re offered leniency it would be a bad look regardless. They would genuinely need to prove in the future and possibly even continue to prove that we can give them our full trust. I genuinely think a month ban might be slightly much but removing the ban entirely seems incorrect here. This is highly subjective but I was always told it takes roughly 22 -28 days to break out of habits so if my opinion even means anything, 3-4 weeks seems okay in my eyes.

Edit: (My paragraph only tackles Medeus’ opinion of leniency. Anytime where I used You or they’re I am not referring to Medeus but to those who were involved in this group activity. You know who you are).

Edit 2: I’m currently not able to entirely edit my sentences but will as soon as I can.

 

[Robo432343]

snip

That is enough, everyone. From this point forward, I will delete any comments unless they provide new context or concrete evidence directly related to the report. Refrain from commenting further and let the staffs handle.

please stop

 

[Antvasima]

I will point out that the proposal is, again, a brief ban for one user, and otherwise extending warnings not to do this again.

I agree with Bambu's conclusions here. Thank you very much for helping out.

 

[Antvasima]

Gamin_Yoon23: Are you referring to the members who asked leading questions to the Tensura author, or to Medeus in your last post above? You have worded the pronouns a bit strangely there.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Gamin_Yoon23: Are you referring to the members who asked leading questions to the Tensura author, or to Medeus in your last post above? You have worded the pronouns a bit strangely there.

Really sorry about that and it’s more towards Medsus. I’m basically against his leniency and I’m well aware that my opinion doesn’t hold as much weight so I don’t want it to seem like I want my opinion to be gospel . Just to avoid any further confusion I’m pretty sure Bambu agreed with strict warnings to the others who partook in the group activity but as for Alex, he is to be given a brief ban. (I am for the warnings but against Alex not being banned I think he should be banned).

 

[Antvasima]

Well, Medeus is just trying to do his job here. He wasn't involved in any rule-breaking.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Well, Medeus is just trying to do his job here. He wasn't involved in any rule-breaking.

Oh it was phrased in such a way? I apologise I sometimes have a certain tone I speak in not that I was accusing Medusa of rule breaking or saying he’s to be at fault. The pronouns have been mixed and I should’ve tended to the errors. I have a habit of assuming people know what I’m talking about a lot of the time I’ll work on making my comments easier to understand.

The ones who I am upset about are the ones who were involved with rule breaking and manipulation. I have no upset for anyone else especially not Medeus. Medeus we have contrasting opinions but that’s not something I can be upset at you about and you have done nothing wrong at all you’re just doing your job as Antvasima said. Sorry again.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is good then. Please try to edit your preceding post to avoid misunderstandings.

 

[MetaChronos]

Alright. This should be a fairly obvious report. I'd like to report @Gamin_Yoon23 for the following reasons:

Let me start from the beginning. Mr.Yoon reported some tensura supporters, and in doing so, he violated multiple rules of vsbw. Here's the list.

He violated the Be Kind, Be respectful, and Be Appropriate rules mentioned here.

Refrain from spamming, trolling, threatening, using derogatory comments of any form (ethnic, homophobic, belittling the physically disabled or mentally ill, et cetera), and rude, vulgar, sexist, et cetera offensive language. We do not tolerate any form of bigotry in any direction whatsoever. Furthermore, do not instigate drama or toxicity, and follow the instructions in official staff warnings.

This was mentioned, yet multiple users now have directly said they now feel uncomfortable/threatened by him, said some harsh words were involved, and he didn't respect any of the supporters while speaking about them. This directly contradicts how a person should not use threatening, derogatory, and rude language whatsoever.

This section is dedicated to the following shown in the screenshot, @Zanesucksatlife, @Ferno1234, @AlexSamDen and I’m unsure of who Tatsumaki is by I hope we find out soon. I’m also unsure of who “Astral (Ciel’s GPT)” is but we have a few options. It’s either @Astral_Trinity439 himself, @Astral_void4 or it’s likely a MTL discord bot. Onto the main topic of discussion, firstly I would like to start of with Zane’s lack of shamelessness with his comment. Not much to say here other than questionable. If he really found faults in this behaviour he would have reported it yet chose not to. Instead he entertained the idea knowing it was wrong but that didn’t change his mind. Tatsumaki, openly admitting to asking a leading question involving MWI and even directly citing his own words. Ferno, who just like Zane was entertaining the idea of leading questions here. I also take back what I said on Astral Ciel’s GPT. It can’t be a bot, under this context it has to 100% be a user. Not sure who this is but another leading question. Here’s Alex’s part which needs no explanation at all. For context “Fuse” is the writer of Tensura.

While minor I would also like to clarify that these specific users even went as far as using some form of translation tool to ask these leading questions. Why do I mention this, it’s because it comes across as desperate and deliberate. I don’t want these people who’d eventually and inevitably have to reply to alter their intent just because it’s being called out. @Astral_Trinity439 verbatim mentions how there're three other people and if I had to guess NOT once did any of those people including Astral himself think their actions were atrocious that would follow up with consequences. If they are to be given punishment I believe they should all face equal punishment.

Bottom line, some harsh words involved, this is just failing to acknowledge that opinions vary, falling to respect privacy, failing to respect others' opinions and mind one's own business, failing to take what is clearly a joke as a joke, failing to acknowledge freedom of speech, failing to admit people have life outside vsbw, etc. Etc--Astral

Ngl that's creepy bro. So we now are even moderated outside of VSBW?
To be honest me too. We are now supposed to watch every word even in a private server among friends because someone may be taking screenshots and reporting us on other sites? I am nor really feeling comfortable anymore at all.--Ultrimuru

There have also been other screenshots which I currently do hold which show go surpass the “it’s just jokes bro gauge” but I refuse to let this get washed up so I’ll leave that for some other time if it’s necessary to mention.
Admitting to privacy violation.
I don't feel comfortable ngl and I feel like I'm being stalked.--Zane

Same
I feel very uncomfortable ngl knowing someone is stalking me and reporting me over jokes. Yes those out of context screenshots were jokes. I use "" sometimes when I'm joking or I will say stuff in a joking way ↓



So anyways.
Can anything be looked at or done?
This is a serious breach of privacy and it's unsettling knowing someone has stuff on you.
1. False accusations + sending stuff taken out of context.
I also want to report for that too
Not too mention the privacy violation you see right here. ↓

Violation of privacy ^

Zane has even gone as far as to report this as well, I am just adding more information and compacting all statements. So there are 2 users who genuinely feel "creeped out" because of this one user. They both mentioned "I don't feel comfortable anymore". If this is not due to the fact that they feel threatened because a person has stalked their servers to find a few messages which were private to them and their friends, and publicly leaked these screenshots to an entire wiki which has tens of thousands of members and people looking at it everyday, i don't know what is.

The fact that any of our members don't feel comfortable, or feel like they are being watched should make this clear enough how far the user has gone. Adding on, this user has broken 3 rules from vsbw as listed above. I as a person assumed the terms such as shamelessness, actions were atrocious, I don't want these people are quite rude to anyone.

This topic has already been discussed and Mr.Bambu and Antvasima have already concluded this, but calling their actions atrocious when it was just them messaging an author was quite weird. Why use such hostile terms when all you are doing is reporting someone.

He broke the Security and Privacy rules of vsbw.

Please do not make any excessive attempts to actively find/stalk any of the members here on the Wiki through Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc. or harass them in order for them to share their personal info. This will be considered an invasion of privacy on your part, and it will be met with the appropriate consequences.

I wonder if this is applicable here? Because some of the "evidence" originally used here is back from 2023, literally 3 years ago. I think this puts some question marks on the intentions of the OP's report--Astral

The screenshots presented by Mr.Yoon here were from discord. There's 2 ways he could've got these screenshots.
1. He joined the server, saw these messages, took screenshots and left.
2. He used a sock puppet. He used an alt account, added it into the server, got the screenshots and left.

Now the user Astral mentions how this could be a sock puppet. Which is a direct violation of our wiki's rules.

Using sock-puppet handles is strongly forbidden, especially to circumvent blocks. Doing so will result in the block duration being greatly increased for all of the relevant accounts.

Ah, I would also like to point out something and based on that fact, report @Gamin_Yoon23 for using a sock puppet

The thing is, the server setting is such that anyone without "members" role isn't allowed to even see any msg from the server.

And what's the way to get "members" role? You need to get verified! And by verified u mean you need to show your vsbw account pic such that there's an "edit" option in the picture. The only exceptions to this are those I personally know for years and they just so happen to still not use vsbw.

Yet @Gamin_Yoon23 can apparently see the messages and take screenshots, DESPITE the fact that there is no "gamin Yoon" in the verified member log. I also checked my dms in case maybe he confirms it there but NOPE

Which can only mean he's one of people who verified but with a sock puppet, which is a direct violation of rules (having sock puppets) on-site..

I can send SS of all the confirmed users to figure out who's the sock puppet, however, I will only do so in a private DM on forum with staff so as to not reveal the server's users' privacy.

Editing 20 min after the report: I realized my interpretation had some flaws, like how he could have gotten those messages while slipping out of the verification via appeal to "I'll do it later" or using third party vendors (like vencord), but I believe this still holds some merrit and makes the method of getting the evidence questionable

This is another strict violation (if proven), adding to a total of 5 rules violated in our wiki.

I want to stop here and say this. Doxing (which is what was done here) is a terrible activity. If these screenshots were privately messaged to Mr.Bambu, Antvasima, or any other reputational mods, then this entire mess could've easily been prevented. Why leak screenshots of a private discord server to a wiki online which has tens of thousands of members visiting daily. Why make people involved in this matter uncomfortable?

I hope this matter can be concluded fairly. All the evidence has been presented. People say that Mr.Yoon used harsh words, people say he made them uncomfortable. I haven't even linked everything because it goes on too long. Many members even outright said how this might violate the privacy of other users. I hope this is enough evidence to take action.

I'm sorry for making the already busy staff get more work because of this, I truly am. So Thank You

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I think quite a few of those quotes aren't rule violations. Referring to rule breaking behavior as "atrocious" is beyond mild. "I don't want these people" is also just the start of the sentence, the rest of it seems to suggest that he doesn't want them editing the context of the screenshots. There's more to your report, and I'll get to that then, but I think the first part is just blatantly not a violation.

 

[Reiner04]

Alright. This should be a fairly obvious report. I'd like to report @Gamin_Yoon23 for the following reasons:

Let me start from the beginning. Mr.Yoon reported some tensura supporters, and in doing so, he violated multiple rules of vsbw. Here's the list.

He violated the Be Kind, Be respectful, and Be Appropriate rules mentioned here.

This was mentioned, yet multiple users now have directly said they now feel uncomfortable/threatened by him, said some harsh words were involved, and he didn't respect any of the supporters while speaking about them. This directly contradicts how a person should not use threatening, derogatory, and rude language whatsoever.







Zane has even gone as far as to report this as well, I am just adding more information and compacting all statements. So there are 2 users who genuinely feel "creeped out" because of this one user. They both mentioned "I don't feel comfortable anymore". If this is not due to the fact that they feel threatened because a person has stalked their servers to find a few messages which were private to them and their friends, and publicly leaked these screenshots to an entire wiki which has tens of thousands of members and people looking at it everyday, i don't know what is.

The fact that any of our members don't feel comfortable, or feel like they are being watched should make this clear enough how far the user has gone. Adding on, this user has broken 3 rules from vsbw as listed above. I as a person assumed the terms such as shamelessness, actions were atrocious, I don't want these people are quite rude to anyone.

This topic has already been discussed and Mr.Bambu and Antvasima have already concluded this, but calling their actions atrocious when it was just them messaging an author was quite weird. Why use such hostile terms when all you are doing is reporting someone.

He broke the Security and Privacy rules of vsbw.


The screenshots presented by Mr.Yoon here were from discord. There's 2 ways he could've got these screenshots.
1. He joined the server, saw these messages, took screenshots and left.
2. He used a sock puppet. He used an alt account, added it into the server, got the screenshots and left.

Now the user Astral mentions how this could be a sock puppet. Which is a direct violation of our wiki's rules.


This is another strict violation (if proven), adding to a total of 5 rules violated in our wiki.

I want to stop here and say this. Doxing (which is what was done here) is a terrible activity. If these screenshots were privately messaged to Mr.Bambu, Antvasima, or any other reputational mods, then this entire mess could've easily been prevented. Why leak screenshots of a private discord server to a wiki online which has tens of thousands of members visiting daily. Why make people involved in this matter uncomfortable?

I hope this matter can be concluded fairly. All the evidence has been presented. People say that Mr.Yoon used harsh words, people say he made them uncomfortable. I haven't even linked everything because it goes on too long. Many members even outright said how this might violate the privacy of other users. I hope this is enough evidence to take action.

I'm sorry for making the already busy staff get more work because of this, I truly am. So Thank You

About stalking and sockpuppeting;

This isn’t stalking or any kind of privacy violation, it’s just a report about users breaking off-site rules, which is allowed. As for the “sockpuppeting” claims, there are plenty of ways this report might have been done without using a sockpuppet. For example, someone in that private server might’ve genuinely decided to report what was happening to prevent things from getting worse. They may have wanted to stay anonymous for obvious reasons, so they passed the evidences to Gamin and had him report it instead, and this is likely what might have happened. I find evidences for the sockpuppet report very weak on its own. That is my opinion on these two.

 

[Loetkolben16]

I just want to add, as my last reply, because I think it's important and nobody mentioned it.

Questions we send to Fuse couldn't be used anyway. Why? Because they are not public. We can send a DM to Fuse with a question, not write the question on his wall. And IF he answers, that answer is also in a form of a private message.

What I mean by that is— If WoG exist strictly in one user's inbox as a screenshot and cannot be checked or verified, it cannot be used for the wiki, because screenshot with an answer can be very easily faked. As far as I know VSBW accept only public statements of the author and not something he whispered to a single user in DM. So Fuse's answers are unusable before anyone even get an answer. Alex couldn't "use them in the future". He couldn't use it at all. No one of us could even if we would want to. So what he did is harmless to the wiki from the mere beginning.

That's my last comment on this. I leave everything else to mods.

Bump

I think this issue hadn't been paid enough attention to.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

About stalking and sockpuppeting;

This isn’t stalking or any kind of privacy violation, it’s just a report about users breaking off-site rules, which is allowed. As for the “sockpuppeting” claims, there are plenty of ways this report might have been done without using a sockpuppet. For example, someone in that private server might’ve genuinely decided to report what was happening to prevent things from getting worse. They may have wanted to stay anonymous for obvious reasons, so they passed the evidences to Gamin and had him report it instead, and this is likely what might have happened. I find evidences for the sockpuppet report very weak on its own. That is my opinion on these two.

Yeah. I just don't think Yoon, at any point, significantly broke the rules. Reading the rest of the report now that I have a moment, I'm just going to dismiss any action cast against the guy. All of his actions are, at most, mildly rude, and at least, well within the bounds of the rules.

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

d

d

d

f

Mr. Bambu​

Antvasima​

Regarding the validity of using tensura author’s statements:

The CRT is ready.
Can I publish it now?
Also, can I get permission to make it a Steff CRT? That would be better!

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Go for it.

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

go

TenSura WoG Rule Addition

Hello. As we said in the RvR, I created a thread to discuss WoG in tensura. Sources of WoG Currently, there are two sources of WoG Syosetu Official interviews Types of WoG Although there are only two sources of WoG, the scenarios that WoG can come from are diverse. So here we will be...

vsbattles.com

 

[Reiner04]

So to make things clear;

The members directly involved in violating WOG rules and need to recieve warnings are:

• @Ferno1234
• @Astral_void4
• @Ultimuru
• @Curcuma_x_curcuma

The member who is going to recieve a month ban for manipulating the context to bypass VSBW's rulings regarding WoG:

• @AlexSamDen

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

So to make things clear;

The members directly involved in violating WOG rules and need to recieve warnings are:

• @Ferno1234
• @Astral_Trinity439
• @Astral_void4
• @Ultimuru

The member who is going to recieve a month ban for manipulating the context to bypass VSBW's rulings regarding WoG:

• @AlexSamDen

We seem to be missing one more person I believe who is @Curcuma_x_curcuma. IIRC he was apart of the WOG stuff but in the warnings section.

 

[Ultimuru]

So to make things clear;

The members directly involved in violating WOG rules and need to recieve warnings are:

• @Ferno1234
• @Astral_Trinity439
• @Astral_void4
• @Ultimuru

The member who is going to recieve a month ban for manipulating the context to bypass VSBW's rulings regarding WoG:

• @AlexSamDen

I don't know why I should get a warning if I asked Fuse for MWI for my own information, not for scaling or making an upgrade threads. But sure, yeah, whatever, go for it.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

So to make things clear;

The members directly involved in violating WOG rules and need to recieve warnings are:

• @Ferno1234
• @Astral_Trinity439
• @Astral_void4
• @Ultimuru

The member who is going to recieve a month ban for manipulating the context to bypass VSBW's rulings regarding WoG:

• @AlexSamDen

I would like to mention
@Astral_void4 has nothing to do with this

heck idek him on discord
I believe I clarified that before that there are some on discord that don't have vsbw acc and vice versa

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Type Moon Revival CRT relating high tiers and a few current relevant profiles - Part 1

That shit is like 18.4 K words. That is a fully fledged short story for just a CRT, removing the fact you have to check links and the TLs in said links. I want some of whatever you're smoking. Yeah, I didn't deserve this, but I see your point.

vsbattles.com

Despite only having 2 messages, this apparently new account is oddly familiar with our rules, terminology, and tier 1 requirements.

I think they might be a sockpuppet.

wanna second this, telomera was in my discord once, and he literally got like super mad because he couldn't debunk this verse, idk if I can post the discord stuff but he was super agreesive, idk if he made an account since

 

[StrymULTRA]

wanna second this, telomera was in my discord once, and he literally got like super mad because he couldn't debunk this verse, idk if I can post the discord stuff but he was super agreesive, idk if he made an account since

• Off-site behavior is usually irrelevant except in cases of:
  
  • Actions that lead to the destabilization of the site (such as videos, forum posts, Discord chats, etc. that create drama), whether or not it was systematic. To determine what counts as destabilization of the site one should mostly look at the consequences of said act rather than the individual act itself.
  • Actions taken against another user off-site of such a nature that could reasonably cause undue harm and/or distress for the other user in on-site interactions. This includes, but is not limited to: harassment, threats of violence or similar harmful actions, unsolicited sexual misconduct, impersonation, hacking, and doxing.
  • Actions made off-site that could be reasonably construed as inconducive to the safety and/or wellbeing of a user, or a denomination of users, in on-site interactions. This includes, but is not limited to: threats directed towards particular demographics (i.e.: racial, gendered, sexual, and/or religiously motivated threats to commit violent acts), obscenities of an implicative nature (i.e.: rhetorical attacks on cultural groups, sexual comments towards minors), and involvement with known hate groups.
  • Engaging in online criminal activity (Not including piracy).

Being an ass on Discord is not a rule violation (otherwise 95% of the people here would be banned lol), it is only if it's harassment with intention of descreasing the quality of life of a specific target.

 

[Reiner04]

I don't know why I should get a warning if I asked Fuse for MWI for my own information, not for scaling or making an upgrade threads. But sure, yeah, whatever, go for it.

I Know you might not trust my words, but i, if possible anyway, don't really want to hand out warning to any of you. I do want to believe that these questions aren't powerscaling or leading questions, but as they appear and context surrounding them. Its hard to believe for me.

We seem to be missing one more person I believe who is @Curcuma_x_curcuma. IIRC he was apart of the WOG stuff but in the warnings section.

He is not mentioned in the original report. What WOG is he related to?

I would like to mention
@Astral_void4 has nothing to do with this

heck idek him on discord
I believe I clarified that before that there are some on discord that don't have vsbw acc and vice versa

Removed then.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

• Off-site behavior is usually irrelevant except in cases of:
  
  • Actions that lead to the destabilization of the site (such as videos, forum posts, Discord chats, etc. that create drama), whether or not it was systematic. To determine what counts as destabilization of the site one should mostly look at the consequences of said act rather than the individual act itself.
  • Actions taken against another user off-site of such a nature that could reasonably cause undue harm and/or distress for the other user in on-site interactions. This includes, but is not limited to: harassment, threats of violence or similar harmful actions, unsolicited sexual misconduct, impersonation, hacking, and doxing.
  • Actions made off-site that could be reasonably construed as inconducive to the safety and/or wellbeing of a user, or a denomination of users, in on-site interactions. This includes, but is not limited to: threats directed towards particular demographics (i.e.: racial, gendered, sexual, and/or religiously motivated threats to commit violent acts), obscenities of an implicative nature (i.e.: rhetorical attacks on cultural groups, sexual comments towards minors), and involvement with known hate groups.
  • Engaging in online criminal activity (Not including piracy).

Being an ass on Discord is not a rule violation (otherwise 95% of the people here would be banned lol), it is only if it's harassment with intention of descreasing the quality of life of a specific target.

oh ok cool, then his just like that, mb

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

I Know you might not trust my words, but i, if possible anyway, don't really want to hand out warning to any of you. I do want to believe that these questions aren't powerscaling or leading questions, but as they appear and context surrounding them. Its hard to believe for me.


He is not mentioned in the original report. What WOG is he related to?


Removed then.

I sent it to you on discord I unfortunately can’t post it here for some reason.

 

[Ultimuru]

I Know you might not trust my words, but i, if possible anyway, don't really want to hand out warning to any of you. I do want to believe that these questions aren't powerscaling or leading questions, but as they appear and context surrounding them. Its hard to believe for me.

I know how it looks like. But I wanted to explain to Fuse that why I exactly I have my doubts about that scene and make it as clear as possible so he could understand what I mean. And I legit wanted an answer from him because honestly I myself don't even know what to believe in. Spoiler: He never replied

But if we are already on this topic. I want one last time bump this @Mr. Bambu

I just want to add, as my last reply, because I think it's important and nobody mentioned it.

Questions we send to Fuse couldn't be used anyway. Why? Because they are not public. We can send a DM to Fuse with a question, not write the question on his wall. And IF he answers, that answer is also in a form of a private message.

What I mean by that is— If WoG exist strictly in one user's inbox as a screenshot and cannot be checked or verified, it cannot be used for the wiki, because screenshot with an answer can be very easily faked. As far as I know VSBW accept only public statements of the author and not something he whispered to a single user in DM. So Fuse's answers are unusable before anyone even get an answer. Alex couldn't "use them in the future". He couldn't use it at all. No one of us could even if we would want to. So what he did is harmless to the wiki from the mere beginning.

That's my last comment on this. I leave everything else to mods.

EVEN IF he would reply and EVEN IF we would want to use it, we can't because it's a closed conversation and not a public statement. I know we look like bunch of neanderthals and I even act like one at times, but we all were aware from the beginning that Fuse's statements are unusable. Nobody even intended to actually use it to anything.

 

[Reiner04]

I sent it to you on discord I unfortunately can’t post it here for some reason.

I can't really access my discord for few days, you can PM me here whatever WOG it might be. And incase if thats not feasible you can send that to other staff members like Bambu, Agnaa, DDM or any other staff members on discord.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

I can't really access my discord for few days, you can PM me here whatever WOG it might be. And incase if thats not feasible you can send that to other staff members like Bambu, Agnaa, DDM or any other staff members on discord.

I found it out now I hope it works. I had to use another domain. Here.

 

[Reiner04]

I found it out now I hope it works. I had to use another domain. Here.

Added him.