No… stop with these continued bs arguments that I’ve been seeing on this thread, Haki is nothing like chakra, haki by itself is NOT spiritual energy (or the same spiritual energy of chakra)
They said naruto would be invulnerable to Haki because naruto is invulnerable to ninjutsu’s… which there’s legit no comparison between them
Sharingan does give the user a probability of this specific move happening, if that was the case then it wouldn’t also give its user the perfect counter, this is not it.
Nards BIQ consists of him deducing and making multi layered plans on the fly smth luffy is not known for.
Gets EE anyways, not like he can reflect smth can EE the reflection and Haki
Since the mythical chakra blog isn’t out I understand why people think this way.
this means nothing
Just sage mode alone makes it look as if he is statuing the 3rd raikage who is faster than him by the way
? Soru on top of gear 5?
You just linked the devil fruit page.
Naruto has resistance to both. His attacks are also far stronger than Luffy and his Haki so it's destroying him and his Haki together
Both rasengan and tbb are classified under ninjutsu but in reality they are just massive amount of energy. Detonating energy for tbb and rotating energy for rasengan. The invulnerability still applies to both here so it's more nuanced than you're saying.
Elements and ninjutsu are fundamental still made of chkara. They are only transmuted to be given the properties and appearance of elements, that is why elements and ninjutsu as a whole can be absorbed. Because they are made of chakra, this is further proven by Kashin Koji fire style where ishikki couldn’t absorb it because its was real fire and not chakra made to have the properties of fire. Another example is Juubidara’s yin release lightning which is actually real natural lightning smth that Sasuke couldn’t absorb
That was via a physical kick not the dragon itself. So point still stands that So6P are invul to chakra
Taijutsu is amped via physical energy which comes from the cells not the chakra used in ninjutsu or else it’s a big deal that Guy could use chkara yet was said not to be
Uhhh we classify EE under reality warping so…..
Yee the difference is Haki isn’t composed of ones soul… Haki is ones ambition utilized in a supernatural degree or potency, there’s no mental energies or soul that haki is composed of, as Haki itself isn’t an actual manifested spiritual energy
Doesn’t matter if Haki isnt composed of the soul or not, what matters is that chakra is also composed of will power and hence is able to negate haki.
But the majority of haki abilities are more comparable to things Naruto isn’t immune to.
Rasengan and tbb are classified as ninjutsu so they're ninjutsu. Your whole point just... doesn't work. Especially TBB which is like, every nature, so it's chakra molded and transformed 5 times over then merged.
Naruto resists things not erasing him, not being reality warped.
Chakra is comprised of your mental energy (which is tied to the spiritual) and your physical cellular energy. This is not the same as being comprised of willpower.
TBF, naruto didn't gain wide area nukes until War Arc (aka against these guys). He had Rasenshuriken, but aside from its limitations, it's something he's used in every major fight since he got it (Kakuzu, Pain, Kurama, Nagato, A3, etc). For the examples listed:
No… that’s not how that works, even assuming chakra is composed of willpower, Haki doesn’t utilize it the same way… as it’s “energy” is deprived of something completely different which is;
Madara: He used it in combined attacks regarding scenarios where distance was needed based on an alternative individuals plan, and when he needed it in a specific scenario for destruction, and the lava RS was to cut the tree, hitting Madara was just a bonus.
Naruto... again... doesn't ever do those things?
Whack a mole is a jutsu. It's obito just digging the ground but it's called a jutsu. There's so much stuff that is called ninjutsu but nothing really special in it. Tbb is just perfectly combining 2 different chakra so they explode. It's just chakra, same as rasengan.
Luffy can get stronger over the course of a lengthy battle, but I don't think he can go from a stalemate to dominating an opponent after five minutes of even fighting.
No Naruto has a potential 6 times boost if the fight really goes 5 mins coz he just absorbs nature energy and goes asura mode and just nuke everything .The longer the fight drags out the worse for Luffy coz very soon he runs out of gear 5
Point is that a 2x gap is not enough to overwhelm Luffy as instead it would force him to grow to similar levels.(sorry for posting several times, Luffy has a lot of abilities and I just want to make sure I cover all of my bases)
Luffy's Accelerated Development should help significantly with the AP gap on Naruto's stronger attacks.
His first form of AD allows him to overpower attacks that had enough power to one-shot him minutes earlier
His second form of AD which comes from laughing is very similar, which lets him one-shot characters who could go blow for blow with him mere moments ago.
His third form of AD comes from Haki, which grows significantly stronger in battle to where when prompted, it can grow to allow the user to damage characters who could tank their blows.
These are stacked on each other which means eventually, and under a short timeframe, Luffy's normal attacks would grow to the level of Naruto's stronger jutsu like Bijuu Bombs.
Whack a mole jutsu is like... a memed successor of the Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique, which is transforming ground into sand through chakra.
The only 2 offensive abilities it gives is
I have a question
In what way does it work for susanoo? Idek what you meant
Luffy with all his dura neg alone is turning this from a stalemate to a domination so ideget the point
Luffy has 2 different forms of stat enhancement too in gear 5th.
Why are we acting like this is a bloodlusted fight
Nard was going up against three tome sharingan with pure skills and still kept up and countered. I don’t understand how you came to that conclusion
Let’s not start with genjutsu when nard has a baseline resistance to it and 7-layers of powernull for it
Nard is immune to duraneg on a cellular level so I doubt his getting any damage
Not true at all if equal (which it is) than nards just straight up immune via invul
Uhh if you agree than invul would just make him immune and get EE
EE comes from the RW so….
It’s not tied to the spiritual, it is the spiritual, while cellular energy is a latter addition which is not relevant to the individual existence of chakra as shown by the Edo Tensei and hags.
This also literally what chakra is, it’s an energy that all things posses, from the smallest of living organisms to entire planets. Chakra is what unites people to understand one another and gives them the strength to protect and defend themselves. It’s literally one to one expect for the additional elements
I agree , I was just giving an example that a lot of ninjutsu aren't some special type of ability. Fang over fang is just kinda spinning
I already said yeah this won't matter until you start talking about it's powernul effects and stuff like that. By this logic Naruto would be invulnerable to stuff like that then
I understand what you mean tsb is the application right? But that's wrong as it's the user themselves that infuses yin Yang(source of the SR shit) into tsb when they want (it's why tso doesn't erase sakura) so it's coming from them and when they fight each other, six path and co they have to be resisting it if not they just well stomp each other
What I mean is the invunerabilty still works when the cellular energy of chakra is not present but just the spiritual energy/mental energy part . For example the susanoo is such construct and the invunerabilty still applies there. Like Sasuke firing a susanoo arrow, obito was still fine
Reminds me of All Fours JutsuI agree , I was just giving an example that a lot of ninjutsu aren't some special type of ability. Fang over fang is just kinda spinning
Kiba is so ass bro
He doesn't but this is on the premise that the fight starts dragging out. He'd have received some serious internal damage that kurama would have to heal for him or use COAT. At some point he'd realise he doesn't have much options..
Kurama isn't healing from a Conqueror's Haki infused blow. Let alone a barrage of them.
Your explanation of chakra contradicts the canon explanation of chakra.
Wdym? As long as he doesn't die immediately he can. Also like COAT too
Conqueror's Haki infusion completely negates immortality and regeneration. Naruto is gonna have to just stand there and fight with holes where his organs used to be.
