5-B Planet Tiersetter Tournament Round 2 Match 3: Jellal vs Uzi Doorman (2-11-0) FINISHED

[Soul80]

His thought projection reflection magic can activate even when his time is stopped, and it worked on an effect that spawned on him

So you just proved that he can't reflect her solver... She can just explode his body at moment when it will spawn on him

 

[Soul80]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MrCricket8464/Murder_Drones_Uzi_throws_a_NULL

So it’s not listed on Uzi’s profile directly, but in the verse’s speed feats section. You can find it by searching Murder Drones on the fandom, then scrolling down a bit and clicking on “Speed,” where all the accepted speed feat calculations are shown.

Here : https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Murder_Drones#Speed

That's not how it works though)

 

[Zackra1799]

So you just proved that he can't reflect her solver... She can just explode his body at moment when it will spawn on him

He can activate his thought projection reflection passively as his body and mind were timestopped by gears, yet he could still activate it, so its casting time is passive which is something he develops at the end of their fight. Jellal doesnt need to develop it here since he already has it and it will activate the moment she trys to blow him up

Not my point, you literally talking about basic knowledge of the verse, not A general genius intelligence in IQ aspects like Uzi.
Her intelligence is "at least genius" which is somewhere between genius and extraordinary genius, it explains by the fact That she was already capable of understanding the basic functions of how solver work without any futher knowledge. (The same point goes to when she got it , as she already mastered her solver for a Just weeks)

This is a moot point, her ability to use the solver abilities properly isnt in question here, its her ability to actually target jellal with them, his speed + skill at dealing with much better analysis abilities and feats such a cobras mind reading means targeting him is gonna be damn near impossible

 

[Soul80]

He can activate his thought projection reflection passively as his body and mind were timestopped by gears, yet he could still activate it, so its casting time is passive which is something he develops at the end of their fight. Jellal doesnt need to develop it here since he already has it and it will activate the moment she trys to blow him up

It doesn't matter.

My point is that you literally proved that the time manip still affected him while activate his speed amps so he can't reflect it cuz the solver still should target him at the moment when he activate his speed.
Your argument is already poor in the fact that you are trying to use two different abilities that work on different functions not gonna lie.

This is a moot point, her ability to use the solver abilities properly isnt in question here, its her ability to actually target jellal with them, his speed + skill at dealing with much better analysis abilities and feats such a cobras mind reading means targeting him is gonna be damn near impossible

Again... ignoring my main point, I tried to prove why Uzi is a way more intelligent than Jellal especially with prep time and based knowledge about his statistic. Including that she is adaptive ai so she would understand it way more easily to make a prep against and calculate timing against him like she did with Cyn (btw, if you're talking about that he has mind reading as ability, then you have to prove how it should affect the same drones which working in datas and ai)

 

[AthelChan]

following, is there a TLDR of the wincons

 

[Soul80]

following, is there a TLDR of the wincons

I think she can just turn off gravity like She did it before to distract his speed and then explode his body or throw null through solver.
or just do the same thing but before he activates his ability by saying the name via her Instinctive Action.

 

[Zackra1799]

I think she can just turn off gravity like She did it before to distract his speed and then explode his body or throw null through solver.
or just do the same thing but before he activates his ability by saying the name via her Instinctive Action.

Gravity manip ain't gonna work on someone with over a billion times your lifting strength value.

I think ill be going into closing arguements here, looks like we have covered basically everything

None of this addresses the speed value difference, you haven't provided any actual reasoning why she can even perceive him besides "trust me bro". Jellal had actual feats of avoiding getting tagged by the exact method you have described, and has a passive method of avoiding a fatality on her first attack against him.

Jellal is a genius as well dont forget and not just in magic, hes a master strategist and manipulator, since he has the ability to view Uzi's round 1 fight, he would be aware of her internal explosions, he'll be anticipating her opening move and can counter it with his thought projection magic, as mentioned before it doesnt require hand gestures or verbal components, nor does jellal have to be aware hes even doing it as he originally did the feat while timestopped.

As creating a thought projection doesnt require verbal components, he can activate Meteor out of the gate and at which point she will completely lose track of him via the 30x speed gap. Given Jellals ap advantage here, getting hit with 30 attacks from someone over double your strength before you can even react is imo, enough to take Uzi out. Her Regen would let her survive the first few strikes but any of jellals Aoe spells can vaporize her or his physical strikes can just tear chunks out of her and smash her to bits, just like he did to the Robot version of God Serena he beat as shown earlier in this thread.

Overall Jellal has the ability to survive the first attack done to him, giving him enough time to get his speed spell up and blitzing her as to not give her the chance to blow him up again before he lands fatal blows himself.

 

[Niko]

Gravity manip ain't gonna work on someone with over a billion times your lifting strength value.

A sudden gravity shift should still be able to alter his maneuver in his meteor for just a moment.

Jellal is a genius as well dont forget and not just in magic, hes a master strategist and manipulator, since he has the ability to view Uzi's round 1 fight, he would be aware of her internal explosions, he'll be anticipating her opening move and can counter it with his thought projection magic, as mentioned before it doesnt require hand gestures or verbal components, nor does jellal have to be aware hes even doing it as he originally did the feat while timestopped.

As creating a thought projection doesnt require verbal components, he can activate Meteor out of the gate and at which point she will completely lose track of him via the 30x speed gap. Given Jellals ap advantage here, getting hit with 30 attacks from someone over double your strength before you can even react is imo, enough to take Uzi out. Her Regen would let her survive the first few strikes but any of jellals Aoe spells can vaporize her or his physical strikes can just tear chunks out of her and smash her to bits, just like he did to the Robot version of God Serena he beat as shown earlier in this thread.

Overall Jellal has the ability to survive the first attack done to him, giving him enough time to get his speed spell up and blitzing her as to not give her the chance to blow him up again before he lands fatal blows himself.

I think I might have missed something here, but the match only allows Uzi to have special conditions. Unless you meant he starts with his Thought Projection to first anticipate her move, still it'd already be too late, Uzi would have snapped his neck or blew him up immediately already. Even if somehow Jellal managed to counter with thought projection and activated his Meteor right away, he still wouldn't be able to touch her because of her forcefield or telekinesis to stop his movements in an instant thanks to her instinctive reactions, the solver telekinesis is a spawn on target ability, and it's unavoidable unless interrupted.

Edit: Will edit this later, can't do anything with the URL on phone, it's for forcefield.

 

[ArrestedForRobbery]

He can activate his thought projection reflection passively as his body and mind were timestopped by gears, yet he could still activate it, so its casting time is passive which is something he develops at the end of their fight. Jellal doesnt need to develop it here since he already has it and it will activate the moment she trys to blow him up

He was still thinking and gesturing with his hand tho?
And the explosion is pretty instant would he be able to summon a clone in time?
And i don't think he would be aware that there's an explosion going to happens inside him, he knew about this restriction spell since it have green glowing circle that are pretty noticeable
He has no reason to activate thought projection against an attack he doesn't see coming

 

[Soul80]

Gravity manip ain't gonna work on someone with over a billion times your lifting strength value

Most of people already mentioned other points already, so I'll just say it's should be depends, no ? I mean ur point is correct but most of the time, resisting gravity Manipulation should be just a simple resistance, like surviving black hole should give you high 3-A dura logically but it only gives you resistance to the black holes due lack of context in verse. (The same problem is present in MD, as J immunity to gravitational pressure while still being only class K at lifting strength, so I don't think this argument should be correct for the same Jellal. )

 

[Zackra1799]

Her gravity would be like an ant trying to push over a skyscraper, the difference in thier LS is so massive he wouldn't be affected un the slightest here, if he gets caught in the event horizon, yeah that kills him, but you can escape the gravity of a black hole with ftl speed

Jellal still gians the benefits of viewing her first matchup beforehand, so he will anticipate the internal destruction as that was one of her main wincons in the first match. Knowing what to expect he can immediately pop a thought projection something that he can do basically passively and swap the target of the first attack to the copy of himself.

The TK also isn't really a factor outside of dura neg, jellals own strength far outclassed her TK to the point where it entirely useless.

Did yall actually read the rules of the match, jellal still benefits from viewing her first match, he know that she goes for black holes and internal destruction immediately. Jellal just anticipates and activates thought projection the same time she tries to pop him. He just changes his target to a clone

 

[Niko]

Jellal still gians the benefits of viewing her first matchup beforehand,

It's more of an instant stomp/oneshot via one of her multiple abilities, so I don't think he'd know much about her other abilities.

 

[Zackra1799]

It's more of an instant stomp/oneshot via one of her multiple abilities, so I don't think he'd know much about her other abilities.

That literally proves my point, he knows she has one shot hax, so he will know to immediately open with target swapping with a thought projection, he gets meteor up during the target swapping as making a thought projection doesn't require verbal components, he then blitzs her before she even realized what happened due to her lack of knowledge on how his attack reflection works

 

[Niko]

That literally proves my point, he knows she has one shot hax, so he will know to immediately open with target swapping with a thought projection, he gets meteor up during the target swapping as making a thought projection doesn't require verbal components, he then blitzs her before she even realized what happened due to her lack of knowledge on how his attack reflection works

She still has 30 minutes of prep time, she would easily adapt and counter his thought projection.

 

[DemonicDude]

Hmmm needs more discussion will vote later

 

[Soul80]

Her gravity would be like an ant trying to push over a skyscraper, the difference in thier LS is so massive he wouldn't be affected un the slightest here

Most of people already mentioned other points already, so I'll just say it's should be depends, no ? I mean ur point is correct but most of the time, resisting gravity Manipulation should be just a simple resistance, like surviving black hole should give you high 3-A dura logically but it only gives you resistance to the black holes due lack of context in verse. (The same problem is present in MD, as J immunity to gravitational pressure while still being only class K at lifting strength, so I don't think this argument should be correct for the same Jellal. )

One of argument which you didn't respond btw

 

[Soul80]

She still has 30 minutes of prep time, she would easily adapt and counter his thought projection.

Yeah including the fact that she can just make prep where she could just make bunch of nulls like her possessed version did to block him from getting close to her

 

[Zackra1799]

She still has 30 minutes of prep time, she would easily adapt and counter his thought projection.

She doesnt know he has it, he didn't use it in the first match, and she doesn't have knowledge of in as she only has knowledge of how his meteor spell works

One of argument which you didn't respond btw

I briefly touch on the black hole stuff, if it lands yeah, jellal is cooked but characters have dodged them before even in you recent video we see a character dodging them and you can escape the gravitational pull of black holes with FTL speed, something that jellal has here with meteor. But if she goes for a black hole, jellal can use his other form of attack reflection "Mirror Water" spell which just send the black hole back at her

 

[ArrestedForRobbery]

That literally proves my point, he knows she has one shot hax, so he will know to immediately open with target swapping with a thought projection, he gets meteor up during the target swapping as making a thought projection doesn't require verbal components, he then blitzs her before she even realized what happened due to her lack of knowledge on how his attack reflection works

But he should knows that he is being targeted in the first place tho
Her one shot ability shows no sign like the magical glowing circles he reflected

 

[Zackra1799]

But he should knows that he is being targeted in the first place tho
Her one shot ability shows no sign like the magical glowing circles he reflected

Because he has some prior knowledge, he knows hes fighting her, knows she has instant kill abilities, and is a tactical genius, he will obviously use his only form of defense against her first attack as to not lose instantly, thats just basic survival strategy

 

[Soul80]

She doesnt know he has it, he didn't use it in the first match, and she doesn't have knowledge of in as she only has knowledge of how his meteor spell works

So she could counter it already due her intelligence from the same prep time

I briefly touch on the black hole stuff, if it lands yeah

...I don't think that you're actually even saw my arguments what I tried to use lol.
Since it wasn't about black hole gravity, but turning off copper 9 gravity itself.

I think she can just turn off gravity like She did it before to distract his speed and then explode his body or throw null through solver.

 

[ArrestedForRobbery]

Because he has some prior knowledge, he knows hes fighting her, knows she has instant kill abilities, and is a tactical genius, he will obviously use his only form of defense against her first attack as to not lose instantly, thats just basic survival strategy

Does he have a defence against dura negation ?

 

[Zackra1799]

So she could counter it already due her intelligence from the same prep time

She doesn't have knowledge of it, she doesnt have resistance to it or know how magic even works, her preparations won't be able to counter it here.

...I don't think that you're actually even saw my arguments what I tried to use lol.
Since it wasn't about black hole gravity, but turning off copper 9 gravity itself.

Turning off gravity doesnt matter when jellal has flight and his own TK that he uses to manuver himself through the air

 

[Niko]

we see a character dodging them and you can escape the gravitational pull of black holes with FTL speed

Gonna point out rq about the character who was dodging the attacks, he is a one of the solvers who was designed to counter and kill other solvers like Uzi. Solver can't use telekinesis and null on another solver, so she couldn't spawn a null in his body. The fight would have ended if he wasn't a solver.

 

[Soul80]

She doesn't have knowledge of it, she doesnt have resistance to it or know how magic even works, her preparations won't be able to counter it here.

Already explained in the fact that she doesn't need to have knowledge in this if she was able to understand function of something perfectly which she doesn't know nor have a deal with it before through only theorizing it. (This is literally was my main point which I tried to explain before but you just said Jellal has a genius intelligence too via having a knowledge in his verse, but it's not the same to general IQ)

talking about basic knowledge of the verse, not A general genius intelligence in IQ aspects like Uzi.
Her intelligence is "at least genius" which is somewhere between genius and extraordinary genius, it explains by the fact That she was already capable of understanding the basic functions of how solver work without any futher knowledge.

Turning off gravity doesnt matter when jellal has flight and his own TK that he uses to manuver himself through the air

Can you send example anyway ? But it wouldn't be matter much anyway, since fly will be affected by gravity manipulation also.

 

[Zackra1799]

Gonna point out rq about the character who was dodging the attacks, he is a one of the solvers who was designed to counter and kill other solvers like Uzi. Solver can't use telekinesis and null on another solver, so she couldn't spawn a null in his body. The fight would have ended if he wasn't a solver.

She won't be able to see him to spawn the black holes once he starts blitzing her with a 30x speed amp

Already explained in the fact that she doesn't need to have knowledge in this if she was able to understand function of something perfectly which she doesn't know nor have a deal with it before through only theorizing it. (This is literally was my main point which I tried to explain before but you just said Jellal has a genius intelligence too via having a knowledge in his verse, but it's not the same to general IQ)

That's not how it works, thats a mechanic of her own verse as well, you can't say it would work on something she actually has no knowledge of, she isnt omniscient, she wouldn't be able to just know everything he can do, if she has no basis to go off of

Can you send example anyway ? But it wouldn't be matter much anyway, since fly will be affected by gravity manipulation also.

Jellal doesn't need meteor active to fly, and he can just float in mid air via his own TK, gravity being turned off won't effect him in the slightest.

 

[Soul80]

She won't be able to see him to spawn the black holes once he starts blitzing her with a 30x speed amp

Prep time or the same

or just do the same thing but before he activates his ability by saying the name via her Instinctive Action.

Most likely from the same dura neg just by simple targeting him through the solver as I said before.

That's not how it works, thats a mechanic of her own verse as well, you can't say it would work on something she actually has no knowledge of, she isnt omniscient, she wouldn't be able to just know everything he can do, if she has no basis to go off of

...no? That's just how basic rhetoric works? It won't work like it's only part of her verse cuz its simple showing a basic intelligence aspects like assumptions without actually knowledge about this subject , it's like passing a math test without any knowledge about it but only by pure assumptions.

Jellal doesn't need meteor active to fly, and he can just float in mid air via his own TK, gravity being turned off won't effect him in the slightest.

"float" processing to show a simple attacks in mid air trough by a simple jump... Bruh.
So, anyway, by this video you're just proved that he can't use his speed in mid air.

 

[Zackra1799]

Prep time or the same

Can you provide a feat of her prep time giving her a 30x speed amp, of fighting someone 30x faster than her?

Most likely from the same dura neg just by simple targeting him through the solver as I said before.

Can ypu provide a feat of her solver reacting to something 30x faster than her?

...no? That's just how basic rhetoric works? It won't work like it's only part of her verse cuz its simple showing a basic intelligence aspects like assumptions without actually knowledge about this subject , it's like passing a math test without any knowledge about it but only by pure assumptions.

Can you provide a feat of her learning how magic works? And creating something to get around self attack reflection?

"float" processing to show a simple attacks in mid air trough by a simple jump... Bruh.
So, anyway, by this video you just proved that he can't use his speed in mid air.

Bro Didn't even watch the full clip, he literally floats in mid air to cast his abyss break spell lmao

 

[Kirua29]

Can you provide a feat of her prep time giving her a 30x speed amp, of fighting someone 30x faster than her?

Bro, speed is equalized, and it’s not for her but for him. Uzi is MFTL in movement speed, and the black holes she launches are FTL. While Jellal is light speed in movement speed, and his Meteor attack is FTL.

 

[Soul80]

Bro, speed is equalized, and it’s not for her but for him. Uzi is MFTL, while Jellal is light speed in movement speed, and his Meteor attack is FTL.

Speedblitz trough amps is allowed (sorry I can't respond, I need to eat)

 

[ArrestedForRobbery]

Can you provide a feat of her prep time giving her a 30x speed amp, of fighting someone 30x faster than her?

Can ypu provide a feat of her solver reacting to something 30x faster than her?

She doesn't really need to blitz him
As she is starting behind him while she's outside his view
He can't detirmine if he's targeted by her dura negation or not so he can't know when to reflect the effect to a clone

 

[Zackra1799]

She doesn't really need to blitz him
As she is starting behind him while she's outside his view
He can't detirmine if he's targeted by her dura negation or not so he can't know when to reflect the effect to a clone

Line of sight isn't an issue, he knows she gonna go for the kill right away thanks to viewing her first match, and making a thought projection literally doesnt take time to cast it, he was literally timestoped when he first developed the spell, the moment the match starts he can counter her opening move on him by changing the target to his clone, while casting meteor and proceeding to blitz

 

[Soul80]

Can you provide a feat of her prep time giving her a 30x speed amp, of fighting someone 30x faster than her?

Prep time for a plane and one shot him with dura neg, I already told you a many possible scenarios like this one

I think she can just turn off gravity like She did it before to distract his speed and then explode his body or throw null through solver.

Can you provide a feat of her learning how magic works? And creating something to get around self attack reflection?

She doesn't need, she just needs to understand how he can activate his ability and then adapt to this.

Bro Didn't even watch the full clip, he literally floats in mid air to cast his abyss break spell lmao

This is already getting halirous lmao, would be it Matter much ? I mean yeah, Thanks for proving that he can temporarily remain at mind air and not move at all during the process, making him a literal target for an Uzi.

 

[Kirua29]

Can you provide a feat of her learning how magic works? And creating something to get around self attack reflection?

Honestly, the funniest part is that yeah… the author said the Absolute Solver "the verse’s power system" goes beyond mathematics, quantum physics, and science to the point where it basically becomes magic. And Uzi learned to use it completely on her own, without any help and with zero prior knowledge.

 

[ArrestedForRobbery]

Line of sight isn't an issue, he knows she gonna go for the kill right away thanks to viewing her first match, and making a thought projection literally doesnt take time to cast it, he was literally timestoped when he first developed the spell, the moment the match starts he can counter her opening move on him by changing the target to his clone, while casting meteor and proceeding to blitz

The context for this timestop doesn't seems to be something that would stop his will/mind he'd still need to manually activate it by gesturing with his hand thus splitting himself

Not being in line of sight will mean that he won't use meteor immediately since he doesn't know where she is at yet so blitz won't be immediate

The dura negation is instant + he wouldn't know when to exactly split himself as there's no warning to it

 

[Soul80]

We're going to full circle I swear
Can we please already conclude about it ?

 

[Kirua29]

Ok, so i vote for Uzi, even if I concede that Jellal has some wincons, but Uzi has more, and there’s a higher chance that her wincons are the ones that would occur.

 

[Soul80]

I vote Uzi also

 

[Zackra1799]

Prep time for a plane and one shot him with dura neg, I already told you a many possible scenarios like this one

And that plan is what exactly? You can't just say she would plan for it without actually providing a plan.

She doesn't need, she just needs to understand how he can activate his ability and then adapt to this.

Adapt how, you can just say she'll adapt, without explaining how she would do so.

This is already getting halirous lmao, would be it Matter much ? I mean yeah, Thanks for proving that he can temporarily remain at mind air and not move at all during the process, making him a literal target for an Uzi.

bro what are you even talking about he literally flies around all the time in every battle I've sent you, you literally haven't paid attention to anything whatsoever

The context for this timestop doesn't seems to be something that would stop his will/mind he'd still need to manually activate it by gesturing with his hand thus splitting himself

Not being in line of sight will mean that he won't use meteor immediately since he doesn't know where she is at yet so blitz won't be immediate

The dura negation is instant + he wouldn't know when to exactly split himself as there's no warning to it

Both Jellals body and mind were time-stopped, the spell is instantaneous, so yes he would make it in time
.

Honestly, the funniest part is that yeah… the author said the Absolute Solver "the verse’s power system" goes beyond mathematics, quantum physics, and science to the point where it basically becomes magic. And Uzi learned to use it completely on her own, without any help and with zero prior knowledge.

That is by far the weakest ass author statement i have ever read lol, like it doesn't even make sense lmao.


Anyways, I'm voting for Jellal

 

[Soul80]

And that plan is what exactly? You can't just say she would plan for it without actually providing a plan.

...I literally show it right there, this ignorance is ridiculous bruh, that's why

bro what are you even talking about he literally flies around all the time in every battle I've sent you, you literally haven't paid attention to anything whatsoever

You showed a specific timeframe so that's your problem.