Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Mbpoops]

Unless we just say no one scales to dominicus without buffs and the express goes to 3-C till cyrene amps

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Wow as if lord ravagers and generals are closer to each other in tiers than herta is to any relevant emanator

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Cause fei xiao is relative to him so that would make him 3-B in my scale but that would also make phantylia 3-B and we run into the same problem where everyone is the same tier

Wtf
Jin yuan starting the chain

 

[Mbpoops]

Xienshou general issue ngl

 

[SuperNova55555]

Do you have the tiers in your mind so far?

The same shit as always ngl. Aeons and stuff capping at Low 2-C and other even lower

Didnt we tell you this?

Like js a couple days ago you, yes you, were bitching about what statement says SoQ is 11-dimensional

 

[Mbpoops]

The same shit as always ngl. Aeons and stuff capping at Low 2-C and other even lower

Like js a couple days ago you, yes you, were bitching about what statement says SoQ is 11-dimensional

I dont recall

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Wow as if lord ravagers and generals are closer to each other in tiers than herta is to any relevant emanator

Yall remember when Lord Ravagers are comparable to each other and the Arbiter Generals no where inferior to the Lord Ravagers

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Yall remember when Lord Ravagers are comparable to each other and the Arbiter Generals no where inferior to the Lord Ravagers

“irontomb negative effects are comparable to lord ravagers”
just for phantylia to be 3-C+ and Irontomb to be 3B while not even scaling to scepter calc despite being ******* neuron of nous

 

[Mbpoops]

Wow as if lord ravagers and generals are closer to each other in tiers than herta is to any relevant emanator

Ok so feixiao > jingyuan

 

[Mbpoops]

“irontomb negative effects are comparable to lord ravagers”
just for phantylia to be 3-C+ and Irontomb to be 3B while not even scaling to scepter calc despite being ******* neuron of nous

Ill just make everyone 3-C except acheron naught then

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Irontomb to be 3B while not even scaling to scepter calc despite being ******* neuron of nous

Why would Irontomb not scale to the scepter calc?

Ill just make everyone 3-C except acheron naught then

“I’ll just vibe scale”

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Ill just make everyone 3-C except acheron naught then

You shot yourself in the foot with idea that the gap between emanators isnt huge but also have them at separate tiers anyway so pick your poison

 

[SuperNova55555]

Why would Irontomb not scale to the scepter calc?

Because the way Scepters destroy shit isn't universal. Irontomb's way of doing barely qualifies as AP anyways since it's just anti-organic viruses (IM2 manip)

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Cause fei xiao is relative to him so that would make him 3-B in my scale but that would also make phantylia 3-B and we run into the same problem where everyone is the same tier

I thought Feixiao was just straight up stronger than him

 

[Mbpoops]

You shot yourself in the foot with idea that the gap between emanators isnt huge but also have them at separate tiers anyway so pick your poison

Just make everyone 3-C then

 

[Mbpoops]

I thought Feixiao was just straight up stronger than him

If this is the case rhen i shiuldnt worry abt it

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Because the way Scepters destroy shit isn't universal. Irontomb's way of doing barely qualifies as AP anyways since it's just anti-organic viruses (IM2 manip)

Is there a statement that says their capabilities aren't universal because the statements don't really distinguish them other than their status of worthiness. Even the backstory of that anti organic virus just looks like it was an ability gained after transcending into a Lord Ravager and not an ability it had as a scepter naturally according to it's history in the logds (Even the anti organic virus stuff is listed as a destruction path hax on here)

 

[SuperNova55555]

Is there a statement that says their capabilities aren't universal because the statements don't really distinguish them other than their status of worthiness. Even the backstory of that anti organic virus just looks like it was an ability gained after transcending into a Lord Ravager and not an ability it had as a scepter naturally according to it's history in the logds (Even the anti organic virus stuff is listed as a destruction path hax on here)

From micro-particle fluctuations to massive large-scale matter annihilation, the Scepters were scattered across the empire's segmenta, faithfully performing observational, computational, and interference commands. Under specific circumstances, these celestial-level computational interference devices could even temporarily disrupt physical laws within an area.

Specifically Irontomb:

Its presence is inferred from the ruins of devastated civilizations: technology turns into viruses, worlds plunge into darkness, and everything deemed "advanced" becomes a cold grave.
It only appears in highly developed worlds. Some Intellitron theorists believe Irontomb is the inverse of the Erudition, a reversal of all calculations and logic. Its "Destruction" resembles a phenomenon more than aesthetics: a corruption and subversion of inorganic logic, a collapse of all intelligent behavior.

Even Self-Coronation barely counts as AP honestly:

In the Amphoreus incident, this Lord Ravager is confirmed to be the ascended form of Scepter δ-me13 and nearly destroyed the Path of Erudition. However, under the resistance of the Trailblaze and the heroes, Irontomb's hatred logic was overwritten, and the virus that swept across the stars was turned into harmless blank memes.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Like almost anything Irontomb does is IM2 hax lmao. It only starts scaling to AP once it awakens because of Path Energy spikes

 

[Mbpoops]

Wait so was the sceptor scaled to uni galaxy or low 1-C

 

[SuperNova55555]

Wait so was the sceptor scaled to uni galaxy or low 1-C

Scepters don't cross-scale is what was decided. For born Irontomb he scales to Lord Ravagers, but dormant one honestly I don't even know if he should scale AP wise to any of these guys, cuz at that point he's not abusing that UES.

 

[Mbpoops]

Scepters don't cross-scale is what was decided. For born Irontomb he scales to Lord Ravagers, but dormant one honestly I don't even know if he should scale AP wise to any of these guys, cuz at that point he's not abusing that UES.

I was just wondering if the unworthy scepter had actual scaling cus like on the calc it says it can destroy the universe but like when was that ever stated

 

[SuperNova55555]

I was just wondering if the unworthy scepter had actual scaling cus like on the calc it says it can destroy the universe but like when was that ever stated

It can’t. All of the Scepters combined can achieve that feat though.

One percent of a Scepter will rival a fleet, ten percent of a Scepter will obliterate stars, one Scepter will surpass all that we comprehend, and a thousand Scepters will rule the universe.

 

[Mbpoops]

It can’t. All of the Scepters combined can achieve that feat though.

Rule the universe… but not destroy it..

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I was just wondering if the unworthy scepter had actual scaling cus like on the calc it says it can destroy the universe but like when was that ever stated

"Evolution is the antithesis of intellect. Only by devolving into the most fundamental state can one attain truth."

Is there a perfect medium for wisdom to exist? As the inorganic bionic neuron clusters of the Mechanical Emperor, the Scepters should possess the property of bearing intelligence. The School of Evolutionary Perfection scholars once suspected that #Rubert II used the Scepters as a cerebral extension of thought expansion to generate enough computational power to destroy half the universe with his mortal body. Though the IPC has imposed many restrictions on inorganic lifeform research projects, that has not prevented scholars' academic efforts from being slowly diverted from flesh to metal.
It is as Scholar Torkirk declared: Beyond minuscule protein balls and limited lifespans, we will eventually create intelligence that transcends all.

— Chronicles of the Scholars' Strife Candelagraph Historian, Kerhasa​

Nethers 3-B addition thread had unworthy scepters at 3-B via annihilating galaxy in a nanosecond, worthy scepters at tier 1 via destroying half the universe and irontomb would upscale that when complete

 

[Mbpoops]

Nethers 3-B addition thread had unworthy scepters at 3-B via annihilating galaxy in a nanosecond, worthy scepters at tier 1 via destroying half the universe and irontomb would upscale that when complete

1/infinity

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

It can’t. All of the Scepters combined can achieve that feat though.

This is confusing. If adding computational powers together by combing multiple scepters that can generate them is able to nuke the universe or anything else via the same method, why can't Scepter δ-me13 do the same thing. Like why can't the anti-organic viruses just be a path hax of the destruction and just another ability Scepter δ-me13 can do alongside also being able to do nuke a galaxy like all the other scepters?

 

[SuperNova55555]

3-B via annihilating galaxy in a nanosecond

Oh ye this should be changed to microsecond btw

1 via destroying half the universe and irontomb would upscale that when complete

Huh, why would it scale to all of them…

 

[SuperNova55555]

This is confusing. If adding computational powers together by combing multiple scepters that can generate them is able to nuke the universe or anything else via the same method, why can't Scepter δ-me13 do the same thing. Like why can't the anti-organic viruses just be a path hax of the destruction and just another ability Scepter δ-me13 can do alongside also being able to do nuke a galaxy like all the other scepters?

Firstly, it’s not defined how all of them destroy the universe. Secondly, why would it be a Path hax? The Scepter was created before it was blessed by Destruction and the anti-organic equation is simply the way it destroys stuff. And that way is particularly not scalable to AP.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Oh ye this should be changed to microsecond btw

microsecond end was used (hopefully)

Huh, why would it scale to all of them…

not all of them, just that it was accepted that unworthy scepters were 3-B worthy ones were 1-B and Irontomb was above them because he was Lord Ravager and Nous neuron + the complete irontomb statement AFAIK

 

[SuperNova55555]

not all of them, just that it was accepted that unworthy scepters were 3-B worthy ones were 1-B and Irontomb was above them because he was Lord Ravager and Nous neuron + the complete irontomb statement AFAIK

Yes but the way it’s above them isn’t through pure AP tho lol. That’s the issue I’m having; it’s js galactic range with very potent IM2 manip

 

[Mbpoops]

. Secondly, why would it be a Path hax? The Scepter was created before it was blessed by Destruction and the anti-organic equation is simply the way it destroys stuff. And that way is particularly not scalable to AP.

Anything to upscale nanook

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Yes but the way it’s above them isn’t through pure AP tho lol. That’s the issue I’m having; it’s js galactic range with very potent IM2 manip

im gonna check hsr logs because all the attacks done with IM2 was just zandar using irontomb as experiment for black tide against nous. otherwise his incomplete self is just gonna scale to LR and complete one to low 1-C

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Anything to upscale nanook

Nanook.. idk is looking very intimidating
[Insert scared Patrick]

 

[SuperNova55555]

im gonna check hsr logs because all the attacks done with IM2 was just zandar using irontomb as experiment for black tide against nous. otherwise his incomplete self is just gonna scale to LR and complete one to low 1-C

Brother the anti-organic equation is something that Rubert made lol.

He literally attempted Self-Coronation himself too. And that was before any Amphoreus bs

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Brother the anti-organic equation is something that Rubert made lol.

He literally attempted Self-Coronation himself too. And that was before any Amphoreus bs

To verify the experiment results, a copy of Phase One Amphoreus was deployed in the Lacteris Nebula. After approximately 2,811 system hours, surrounding civilizations had fully suppressed and erased the equation. 97% of Lacteris fell into systemic collapse. Equation still shows inefficiencies.

Note: The Interastral Peace Corporation interpreted the copy of the equation as an assault from a new Lord Ravager. Codename: Irontomb.

After its discovery by Lygus, its calculations were shifted from Erudition to Destruction, beginning a cyclical experiment dubbed "The Amphoreus Experiment." During the 50,121st cycle, due to the destructive choice of inorganic lifeform Chaoz666, δ-me13 caught the attention of Nanook, transcending and becoming a Lord Ravager

After its ascension, Lygus copied the various stages of δ-me13's calculations and distributed them across the cosmos to test their efficacy in Destruction. The first attack occurred in the Lacteris Nebula, which fell almost entirely into systemic collapse. The IPC interpreted this attack and the use of the copy of the equation as an assault by a new Lord Ravager. A more advanced copy of the equation was later distributed to 31 other worlds. One of these was the Baranza Forge, an industrial planet, which was completely neutralized.

it was all the experiments launched from zandar and this was compared to rest of lord ravagers vro...

 

[SuperNova55555]

it was all the experiments launched from zandar and this was compared to rest of lord ravagers vro...

The scans literally say that it used the anti-organic equation before being blessed. And that’s why Nanook looked towards it.

It was always something that the scepter could do

 

[Mbpoops]

Death manip sceptors

 

[PedjaTarzan]

The scans literally say that it used the anti-organic equation before being blessed. And that’s why Nanook looked towards it.

It was always something that the scepter could do

no, literally every attack he launched was after ascencion to irontomb, all the experimental stuff about worlds before that were simulated lol.

Archive 01​

In the initial cycle, multicellular invertebrates dominated Amphoreus, but no intelligent life emerged. In the 59,337th cycle, extinction events were inserted, triggering the rise of vertebrates with primitive nervous systems. Still, no civilization formed. Certain algae species developed intelligence clusters akin to the Kolchis, but over-reproduction caused an oxidation disaster, freezing the simulated world.

Archive 02​

In the 90,123rd cycle, Ortho102, an orthopteran, became the first to use tools. Its descendants exterminated the intelligent algae and established the Nest Capital. After expanding to a critical threshold, the Capital stagnated and fell by cannibalism.
In the 100,907th cycle, logged as a deviant instance, the passerine Eumyia03 developed "art." The phenomenon was never replicated in subsequent cycles.

Archive 03​

In the 132,905th cycle, primate Dystop666 developed altruism. A society based purely on altruism emerged. Members' self-awareness was defined by others' evaluations. As the population grew, patterned self-destructive behaviors appeared, and society quickly collapsed.
In the 176,100th cycle, Utop13 killed a fellow being out of "love." "Killing" was redefined as an altruistic act. The system entered a highly chaotic state. The equation's contamination levels rapidly spiked. The next 99 cycles ended identically.

Experimental Report​

Special report detailing key findings from the experiment, interim conclusions, and further validation steps.

Conclusion​

As organic life lacks effective mechanisms for their experiences to be inherited by others, it has slowed the experimental progress. However, their affinity to the twelve factors is greater, offering more potential for breakthrough growth.

[Conclusion: Phase Two has ended. In the next design, combine the strengths of inorganic and organic life to create an inheritance mechanism between electric signals. Additionally, narrow the variable range due to excessive randomness in organic lifeforms.]

Appendix: Feedback​

A copy of the Phase Two equation was deployed across 31 worlds. After roughly 9,012 system hours, preliminary feedback was received. While the equation's impact remains limited to inorganics, the time required for suppression and counteraction has significantly increased.

it is after he ascended as lord ravager that he started attacking the worlds in actual universe and IPC literally codenamed him Irontomb bro...

 

[SuperNova55555]

no, literally every attack he launched was after ascencion to irontomb, all the experimental stuff about worlds before that were simulated lol.

it is after he ascended as lord ravager that he started attacking the worlds in actual universe and IPC literally codenamed him Irontomb bro...

Yea… but he was capable of utilizing them beforehand.

Scepters were literally made to execute the anti-organic equation lol:

Indescribable gargantuan mechanical monoliths, self-iterating difference machines, cold merciless metal that executed the Anti-Organic Equation with a pure intent of slaughter, replaced the once-formidable Intellitron legions.

This is not something inherent to destruction. Irontomb literally js gets amped but that’s it.