How emanators fooled the internet (hsr emanator downgrade) (mods needed)

[Hecky2222]

unless theres an mftl+ calc without using the sceptor everyone might actually just be FTL

nuke them all to MHS

 

[Mbpoops]

ok but seriously we need a speed calc if not im deadass moving them to shadow knight Fu hua

 

[SuperNova55555]

ok but seriously we need a speed calc if not im deadass moving them to shadow knight Fu hua

Realistically, you could just divide the minimum size of Asdana by the amount of seconds it takes to finish Acheron’s cutscene

 

[Furina003]

There's already a calc for it, it's the Scepter one, if you affect the entire Asdana Galaxy then you get 3-B and MFTL+, it's this simple and you know Acheron doing this would scale it to combat speed since it's actually UES

I don't know whether ues can increase speed or not, because I've never read a page that explains that ues can affect physical speed, all I know is that ues only increases attack potency and durability, nothing more. if the attack speed is ftl for example, then the other speeds are not necessarily ftl, even if the attack uses ues, unless it shows evidence that can strengthen that the other speeds are comparable to the attack speed

 

[Mbpoops]

I don't know whether ues can increase speed or not, because I've never read a page that explains that ues can affect physical speed, all I know is that ues only increases attack potency and durability, nothing more. if the attack speed is ftl for example, then the other speeds are not necessarily ftl, even if the attack uses ues, unless it shows evidence that can strengthen that the other speeds are comparable to the attack speed

you are actually completely the opposite here. it increases speed not ap or durability

 

[Mbpoops]

Realistically, you could just divide the minimum size of Asdana by the amount of seconds it takes to finish Acheron’s cutscene

good idea

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

HSR uses six phase ice

I know, is March eight!

 

[Furina003]

you are actually completely the opposite here. it increases speed not ap or durability

Maybe this is my mistake lol

 

[Mbpoops]

Maybe this is my mistake lol

all good dw

 

[Exoko]

you are actually completely the opposite here. it increases speed not ap or durability

For this specific situation or in general?
By default AP and speed are kept separate and a UES only works with AP/Durability/Striking Strength.

But if the verse acknowledges all-rounds stat amplification then a character with more energy would be considered faster than a character with less energy, but we dk by how much unless it’s specified.

 

[Mbpoops]

so being generous (assuming i misstimed or things happened simultaneously)

2 million ly/18s
1.05116982 × 10^21 m / s is how long it took for acheron to cross asdana

with the time i counted (20 seconds)

2 million ly/20s=
9.4605284 × 10^20 m / s

 

[SuperNova55555]

so being generous (assuming i misstimed or things happened simultaneously)

2 million ly/18s
1.05116982 × 10^21 m / s is how long it took for acheron to cross asdana

with the time i counted (20 seconds)

2 million ly/20s=
9.4605284 × 10^20 m / s

You have to make a blog for this btw. And get it accepted by calc group members

 

[Mbpoops]

For this specific situation or in general?
By default AP and speed are kept separate and a UES only works with AP/Durability/Striking Strength.

But if the verse acknowledges all-rounds stat amplification then a character with more energy would be considered faster than a character with less energy, but we dk by how much unless it’s specified.

in general UES only really affects speed and range (drawing from a "larger" source)

if your attack can cover a certain distance or wtv UES would apply that to your speed but not your AP. UES for ap and durability is only applied when you use Hax abilities like a fireball and destroy lets say a universe that would scale you to universal in ap

 

[Mbpoops]

You have to make a blog for this btw. And get it accepted by calc group members

forgor

 

[Exoko]

in general UES only really affects speed and range (drawing from a "larger" source)

if your attack can cover a certain distance or wtv UES would apply that to your speed but not your AP. UES for ap and durability is only applied when you use Hax abilities like a fireball and destroy lets say a universe that would scale you to universal in ap

What’s drawing from a larger source mean?

Speed in relation to Power (Involving UES)

NOTE: This isn't a question that I'm personally wondering, but one that a friend had and requested me to ask here. In a power system that is a UES (like Ki, Haki, Chaos Energy etc) where a characters speed linearly increases in comparison to their power increasing in a 3d metric, would being...

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You could read that.
The wiki page only specific it’s Striking Strength, AP and Durability.

 

[Mbpoops]

What’s drawing from a larger source mean?

Speed in relation to Power (Involving UES)

NOTE: This isn't a question that I'm personally wondering, but one that a friend had and requested me to ask here. In a power system that is a UES (like Ki, Haki, Chaos Energy etc) where a characters speed linearly increases in comparison to their power increasing in a 3d metric, would being...

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like the source can have a scaling (honkai energy is low 1-C) and drawing from that source will give you low 1-C range and extra/inner dimensional depending on where the source is coming from. in hoyo case the SoQ

 

[Exoko]

If the verse acknowledges speed as part of the UES boost then ig its fine?

Misconceptions about UES and Multipliers

Permission granted by @Mr. Bambu. As the title says, I would like to address a misconception about UES and Multipliers. The primary problem is that literally some people don't even understand what a UES is. The definition on the page is as follows: Universal Energy Systems (alternatively...

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[Nighting4l33yes]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mbpoops/Asdana_galaxy_non_sceptor_calc

there's no way you can actually calculate anything from that. everything is frozen in time. even if you do, 20 seconds is wrong. you can see the strike's red line briefly, which is the attack's radius and nihility's power. at :34 it has already covered penacony. everything grayed out means the line/her attack has already passed through. everything happening during that time is the after-effect of the strike.

 

[Mbpoops]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mbpoops/Asdana_galaxy_non_sceptor_calc

there's no way you can actually calculate anything from that. everything is frozen in time. even if you do, 20 seconds is wrong. you can see the strike's red line briefly, which is the attack's radius and nihility's power. at :34 it has already covered penacony. everything grayed out means the line/her attack has already passed through. everything happening during that time is the after-effect of the strike.

then make a calc for it i would actually love that i BEG PLEASE DO

 

[SuperNova55555]

By the way, the lifting strength and stuff has to also be changed... I'll see and if I can fix that myself by appealing to who cross-scales to who.

 

[SuperNova55555]

By the way, the lifting strength and stuff has to also be changed... I'll see and if I can fix that myself by appealing to who cross-scales to who.

The range and stuff too... huff there's a lot...

then make a calc for it i would actually love that i BEG PLEASE DO

Honestly js make a list for me on who exactly cross-scales to who with the relevant values and tiers and I'll fix the profiles myself

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

then make a calc for it i would actually love that i BEG PLEASE DO

i dont even know if its possible to do it with this clip. like if we are being dead serious about it, the strike happens at 0:27. the last of the strike's wave we see is at 0:33/34 but it should've reached there 2-3 seconds faster since we "lose" time seeing the TB being pushed by the waves. maybe u should put it at 10 seconds? even then its weird. could be even less cuz the TB is instantly falling from the sky, a sequence already beginning at 0:28-29 meaning the dream is already dissipating and that the rangers managed to jump in from other galaxies.

like this thread is already botched lets not let it fall into complete decadence.

 

[Mbpoops]

The range and stuff too... huff there's a lot...

Range and LS i was gonna get to when i got home from work

Honestly js make a list for me on who exactly cross-scales to who with the relevant values and tiers and I'll fix the profiles myself

Everyone up to yanqing should be done. anyone who scales to sunday (affecting all of asdana) 3-B with whatever speed n what not LS ill have to deep dive the origin of that chainscale prolly welt tho the op should have the changes tho if u wanna apply the ratings

 

[Mbpoops]

i dont even know if its possible to do it with this clip. like if we are being dead serious about it, the strike happens at 0:27. the last of the strike's wave we see is at 0:33/34 but it should've reached there 2-3 seconds faster since we "lose" time seeing the TB being pushed by the waves. maybe u should put it at 10 seconds? even then its weird. could be even less cuz the TB is instantly falling from the sky, a sequence already beginning at 0:28-29 meaning the dream is already dissipating and that the rangers managed to jump in from other galaxies.

Im fine with 5-10s aswell

 

[SuperNova55555]

Range and LS i was gonna get to when i got home from work

Everyone up to yanqing should be done. anyone who scales to sunday (affecting all of asdana) 3-B with whatever speed n what not LS ill have to deep dive the origin of that chainscale prolly welt tho the op should have the changes tho if u wanna apply the ratings

It prolly wasnt a good idea to start editing without knowing the LS chainscale Anyways from what I'm seeing, Class 5 for base TB, Class 25 for Preservation TB and Class Y for Jing Yuan. Everyone else seems to be Unknown, so I'll js adjust it from that chainscale.

As for range, Ima keep it as is until I remove the L1C for IE in another thread.

 

[Mbpoops]

It prolly wasnt a good idea to start editing without knowing the LS chainscale Anyways from what I'm seeing, Class 5 for base TB, Class 25 for Preservation TB and Class Y for Jing Yuan. Everyone else seems to be Unknown, so I'll js adjust it from that chainscale.

As for range, Ima keep it as is until I remove the L1C for IE in another thread.

Seems fine by me

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Im fine with 5-10s aswell

i mean idk go with smth like that but i think u should leave speed as is... atp this is boderline vandalism.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Alr so can I know what speed we're putting for these mfs since they're still chainscaling to the Scepter. Js link me the exact calc so I can put them in the profiles.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

It prolly wasnt a good idea to start editing without knowing the LS chainscale Anyways from what I'm seeing, Class 5 for base TB, Class 25 for Preservation TB and Class Y for Jing Yuan. Everyone else seems to be Unknown, so I'll js adjust it from that chainscale.

As for range, Ima keep it as is until I remove the L1C for IE in another thread.

no way none of yall realize Class G exists for the verse

 

[SuperNova55555]

Actually better yet, let's js revert the changes done right now, make some other CRTs to sort all the stuff out and the exact scaling chain and values, and I'll edit everything myself. I am completely free the entire week after the next so I can fix the verse

no way none of yall realize Class G exists for the verse

I saw it on Firefly. Js forgot to mention

 

[Mbpoops]

Fine by me tbh so many justifications deleted

 

[SuperNova55555]

Fine by me tbh so many justifications deleted

Alr, I'll do that. In the meantime, you should make a list of the characters and which keys scale to which values by finding the chainscaling route. And then preferably make a part 2 follow-up thread after this one regarding the speed values and other stuff like the Lifting strength chainscale since this thread is covering way beyond what it's supposed to cover.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Alr, I reverted everything. I’ll wait for @Mbpoops to finish the full chainscaling list so we have a concrete basis for the tiers and whatnot and then this can be closed.

And we’ll delegate the changes after the full verse-wide revisions are done (so it’s not exceedingly sloppy.)

 

[Mbpoops]

Low 1-C:
bad end jingliu, firenon irontomb cyrene amp cyrene all stays the same

3-B mfs:

naught acheron, base welt,, dominicus sunday, Himeko last key, TB, march, dan heng, late penacony-cyrene amp keys, saber/archer, pompom?, yanqing war dance key, yunli, feixiao, all titans, zephyro, all chrysos heirs pre cyrene amp, pre firenon phainon/khaslana, incomplete irontomb, dormancy, boothill/rappa, hoolay, skaz (ill prolly rewrite his profile to give him a key for fake skaz), lygus, evil kevin (flame reaver) phantylia, jingyuan (first key), yanqing (first key), kafka, sw, bladie, S.A.M, tb march and dan heng pre sunday, argenti, jingliu, base acheron, black swan, sparkle, aventurine of stragblahblagbkah, MFTL+ (calc tbd)


4-A argenti relative to pre penacony post xienshou tb

current list. Everyone 3-B for now to make our lives easier. Speed rating tbd will be changed in a later thread with LS unless its required for us to change it now though this was mostly to get rid of the chainscale and fix ratings. Anything else to add?

 

[SuperNova55555]

Wait genuinely nobody scaling to 3-C+?

 

[Mbpoops]

Wait genuinely nobody scaling to 3-C+?

Jinyuan ***** it up

 

[Mbpoops]

unless we just say the express doesnt scale to sunday then theres no need to upscale jingyuan more characters would fall to 3-C+ tho

 

[Mbpoops]

unless we just say the express doesnt scale to sunday then theres no need to upscale jingyuan more characters would fall to 3-C+ tho

I think literally everyon but acheron welt and zephyro with soe wank ig

 

[SuperNova55555]

Jinyuan ***** it up

Which 3-C+ characters does 3-B JY upscale…?

 

[Mbpoops]

Which 3-C+ characters does 3-B JY upscale…?

Phantylia and dhil yanqing (1st key) blade kafka sw (ig?) firefly which then goes to tb base acheron black swan which goes back to aventurine so then aventurine is 3-B