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Team Fortress 2 Upgrade and revision CTR (Tier 8/7 Upgrades and FTL speed)

LandonTheGuy said:
@Rex_Eckles @Plants_vs_zombies_fan101 do ya'll want to start the ctr or add something else to it? all the calcs have been evaluated (exept the scout pushing a mountain calc as it's having some friction)
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Looks fine to me but I would probably add the pyro air blasting feat as an supporting feat for the cowmagger speed scaling applying to the character's.
 
bump

(added some small revision and additions to the ctr:

  1. removal of 5-C rating for Hale
  2. Removal of the Saxton Hale scaling to the mercs
  3. Adding 5-B rating for enviormental destruction for scout
  4. Saxton's inteligence revision
 
DaReaperMan said:
Can't do this, no combat ratings exist anymore, it should be nuked from the mercs too.
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mb was unaware of that, i'll add nuking combat ratings too.








Last thing (a bit unrelated), u still intrested to punch out? really love that game and would have liked to fix the profile page as it looks pretty outdated and did not got tuched for like 3 years lol (altho there are quiete a lot of matchups regarding the verse).

Was also planning on adding these calcs via a ctr for the verse too:

Attack Potency
Speed
 
LandonTheGuy said:
Saxton hale blows up the moon explaination:
For how much i would like to scale this to hale, it appears that the comic is not canon to the main tf2 continuity so the calc won't scale to no one in the verse (exept the iblowupthemoon if it ever gets a profile).

However this still remains a TF2 related feat and other verses like Baki have a space dedicated to non canon feats, so i see no problem on adding this feat with a specification of it's non-canonicity.
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Personally I wouldnt think this should be used regardless because the authors or writers whatever, only did this because they were about to lose their JOBS. (and it was also in a rush apparentally, Meaning they actually didnt care how it would work.)

You could just argue the apple company was the origin of mann co. Which saxton hale eventually changed up the place. Which can definitely work in-canon
 
Uradial50 said:
Personally I wouldnt think this should be used regardless because the authors or writers whatever, only did this because they were about to lose their JOBS. (and it was also in a rush apparentally, Meaning they actually didnt care how it would work.)
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Idk man, i think we need more proof for make these assumptions.
Uradial50 said:
You could just argue the apple company was the origin of mann co. Which saxton hale eventually changed up the place. Which can definitely work in-canon
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Mann.co was created WAY prior to the events of the gravel wars, sometime before the 1850s as Mann.co as Saxton Hale's grampa ereditates the company from Zepheniah Mann (as is also supported in the catch up comic).

Also not to break it down for u, but Hale literally mensions Mann.co in the same comic.



I think there are some Journals in Hale office in issues like the contract or Ring of Fired where there are mensions of other issues, altho i'm not sure if there could be a reference for that specifically.
 
LandonTheGuy said:
Idk man, i think we need more proof for make these assumptions.

Mann.co was created WAY prior to the events of the gravel wars, sometime before the 1850s as Mann.co as Saxton Hale's grampa ereditates the company from Zepheniah Mann (as is also supported in the catch up comic).

Also not to break it down for u, but Hale literally mensions Mann.co in the same comic.



I think there are some Journals in Hale office in issues like the contract or Ring of Fired where there are mensions of other issues, altho i'm not sure if there could be a reference for that specifically.
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Its literally said in the website

Nevermind then, Although it would be cool when we got the yeti upscaling it
 
Uradial50 said:
Its literally said in the website

Nevermind then, Although it would be cool when we got the yeti upscaling it
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Yeah, it shattered my heart when i found out that it wasn't canon, this could have genually worked as most of the calcs presented here get into borderline tier 6.
Uradial50 said:
Also I believe we can get the mercs scale to yeti scaling via turning into one?
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Eh, not really cuh, 2 reasons mostly:

  1. I don't even wanna bother trying to upscale the mercs with statements from items anymore as shi already flopped multiple times, i don't really see how this time could fail as i'm using a complytly different logic in this thread but hopefully we get FTL tf2 at the end of this.
  2. The item desription says "Scare your enemies, impress your friends and trick sherpas into dating you with this yeti transformation kit." so i don't think they are even trasforming in a real Yeti in the first place.
Overall Town level, mountain level+ with optional equipment sounds pretty good to me as the verse has been in tier 9 for like 6+ years and has only recently recived tier 8 upgrades.
 
LandonTheGuy said:
1. I don't even wanna bother trying to upscale the mercs with statements from items anymore as shi already flopped multiple times, i don't really see how this time could fail as i'm using a complytly different logic in this thread but hopefully we get FTL tf2 at the end of this.
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What does that have to do with anything, also the laser weapons are not actually meant to be "light speed" but near it, its literally implied to be a particle accelerator which can go near the speed of light. Meaning it doesnt change anything when you use light speed rules.
 
LandonTheGuy said:
1. The item desription says "Scare your enemies, impress your friends and trick sherpas into dating you with this yeti transformation kit." so i don't think they are even trasforming in a real Yeti in the first place.
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LandonTheGuy said:
Overall Town level, mountain level+ with optional equipment sounds pretty good to me as the verse has been in tier 9 for like 6+ years and has only recently recived tier 8 upgrades.
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It literally shows the mercs turning into the yeti's, which is used for combat. (Specifically smashing)
Although if your going to argue it isnt used against each other (Its a game mechanic)
 
Uradial50 said:
What does that have to do with anything, also the laser weapons are not actually meant to be "light speed" but near it, its literally implied to be a particle accelerator which can go near the speed of light. Meaning it doesnt change anything when you use light speed rules.
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I'm pretty sure that particle accelerators in general were rejected to be necessarily Relativistic.
 
Uradial50 said:
Theres literally a vs profile of a particle acclerator weapon being relavistic lol
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It depends on whether it has any mention of possessing that speed. Otherwise, well, just because it has a profile doesn't mean it's correct, and in that case it should be reviewed.

The discussion btw.
vsbattles.com

Establishing rules and guidelines for Particle Weapons, Accelerators and Similar doohickeys

Basics: What is a Particle Accelerator Generally, they are extremely powerful machines that use the repulsive-attractive forces of electrostatic and magnetic fields to speed up charged (Positive or negative) particles, this is done by building a multi-kilometer tunnel with electromagnets that...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
 
Uh wait, I've just noticed this:
  • Gravel war mercs (and whoever scales to them): 11.45 tons of tnt (city block level), 178.43 Kilotons (Large Town Level) with sub-Atomization weapons (considering they are prior of the robot wars, and the robots have been stated to be stronger than them i guess it sould be a corrected scaling the vaporization feats of the Robot war only to the robot war mercs) and 2.5cc (FTL) combat reaction speed (due of multipliers in Mannpower).
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What is the logic to scale Mercs to weaponry?
It's not explained in the OP.
 
AmonInChains said:
Uh wait, I've just noticed this:

What is the logic to scale Mercs to weaponry?
It's not explained in the OP.
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It's lower in the OP:
"
THE MERCS SCALE TO THE VAPORIZATION WEAPONS
In the Dr.Grordbort comics the weapons in questions have been shown to be oneshotting anything that they come in contact instantly, the mercs have shown to be capable to tank prolongated exposure to these weapons and survive.
"
 
Rex_Eckles said:
It's lower in the OP:
"
THE MERCS SCALE TO THE VAPORIZATION WEAPONS
In the Dr.Grordbort comics the weapons in questions have been shown to be oneshotting anything that they come in contact instantly, the mercs have shown to be capable to tank prolongated exposure to these weapons and survive.
"
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I was refering to the Speed, but ogey.

Since AP was bring up, uh...
  • In StarCraft, battle cruisers do not automatically one-shot fodder infantry soldiers with their Yamato cannons. However, in the cutscenes, Yamato cannons nuke the entire battlefield, cause mass genocide, and obliterate entire populations. The game's programming tries to avoid making large ships too overpowered during gameplay for competitive purposes.
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Game Mechanics page.
Could I get why this shouldn't be applied here?
 
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