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I'm kinda too lazy for showing Uni/Multi/whatever stuff, but Immeasurable thing is pretty obvious imo
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Madness Combat Discussion Thread: Redeemer
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While concepts like Order and Deathb would normally be type 1 concepts, The Employers’ as we know are concepts created in a fashion more similar to type 2, where they are fundamentally required for Nevada’s existence.
Magic is not something the machine is really depicted using, and even its main avatar can’t use it (that we know of) but I suppose I’m not against the principal it has access to magic since clockworkers do.
Magic is not something the machine is really depicted using, and even its main avatar can’t use it (that we know of) but I suppose I’m not against the principal it has access to magic since clockworkers do.
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That's exactly what Type 1 is, though. When reality is literally dependend on these concepts and not vice versa
Type 2 it is something like let's for example take souls, which while yes are universe spread, are still depended on reality, and universe itself will stay intact if you completely purge them (unless verse has some evidence indicating opposite)
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Clockworkers can probably get their own page. Just a huge page of their different versions.
Will fix in that case.
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On a smaller note, Dissonant should have fire manipulation as it demonstrates fire properties on some ocassions:
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Nevadean Physiology (Madness Combat)
Both verse-specific abilities have been updated in a blog, (I'm not 100% done with the S-3LF section and the abilities section) looking less ass than they were! (Nevadean Physiology didn't actually look that bad, it just needs a few abilities added and the S-3LF section)
17:35 you can see how the dissonant barrel gets inflamed upon being damaged (and explodes)
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As we can see here, Nexus Core had a chamber for cooling down dissonant (plus if you fall into reservoir with dissonant substance it will set you on fire)
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I think Dissonance should have information hax as well, since in MC 12 I believe, it is shown the employers are also made up of code, as shown with stygian's code being mentioneddissonance
Nevadean Physiology (Madness Combat)
Both verse-specific abilities have been updated in a blog, (I'm not 100% done with the S-3LF section and the abilities section) looking less ass than they were! (Nevadean Physiology didn't actually look that bad, it just needs a few abilities added and the S-3LF section)
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Dissonance also affects S-3LF as well so it would have better support for concept as well as soul hax
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Dissonant is literally shown to don't damage S-3LFs, bro...
Also literally anyone can affect/damage souls, which is just NPI
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removing souls from someone is still soul manipulation. But yeah, you are right, sorry I just have trouble saying things correctly sometimes.
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Here this quote (though without scan)
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This is still seems Divergence Engine's hax and not something we see dissonant wielders using
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Divergence Engine is powered and works on Dissonance bro it's the entire justification for Dissonance having power null
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Its proof they can transfer minds into other clones after death.
i can add that too
the divergence machine power nulls because of dissonance, (unintended use of the machine, applies to raw dissonance) however the divergence was specifically designed to extract S-3LF, and It’s more likely hax for the machine itself than the energy powering it. The fact dissonance is naturally tied to S-3LF when it’s pulled out of the other place is probably enough to get soul manipulation though.
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I see.
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Here is a scan (The quality is shit, but it is still readable)
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Director Phobos and Gestalt utilize Dissonance in the form of flames, so I suppose Fire Manipulation is fine.
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True. Lowkey as a creation of The Machine i'm just going to scale them to all other creations of The Machine who don't have S-3LF anyways. It's a pretty consistent thing for The Machine's creations to not have them.
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That twitch stream stream statement of Krinkles saying they lack s-3lf and are abstractions would be good supportive evidence. I know you don't like using wog for this verse but this specific statement is supported by other things
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Forgot.
I don't dislike them if in-game/animation stuff directly support the statement. (and the in game stuff isn't solid enough to justify it on the profile) I watched a statement from krinkels about how he said S-3LF doesn't contain memories despite his own game directly saying otherwise. (Mostly my origin for removing/not using them) For S-3LF-less Employers, they should at least follow the same logic as all other Machine creations that do not have S-3LF, so i'm content with using it as supporting evidence.
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I mean, both Doc and Crackpot call it living energy and essence, so i think it already has that going for it.
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When exactly they say it? I don't remember
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Crackpot says it in the mission before he appears outside the headquarters, Doc says it during his meeting with Jeb and Hank.
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I think dissonance can have subatomic matter manipulation due to that one scan saying Dissonance affects photons which are smaller than atoms. Also, I think if you want to argue Paraconsistent Physiology, use Gestalt defying life and natural things and maybe Krinkles saying Dissonance is outside of The Machine's range
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Oh, it's a description from the Dissonance Lancer
the site won't load the image correctly for what every reason but yeah
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It doesn't work for me, but I will believe you anyway
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Yes it should as well
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Gestalt's Quantum Machinery keeps Gestalt from going insane due to it being an abomination, we don't know what Dissonance did to the machinery in Gestalt's head and whether or not Gestalt is actually insane or not. (and whether it works in the first place, considering it goes on a murder rampage 99% of it's screentime)
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