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Comprehensive Review of the Instant Death

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AlexSamDen said:
The reason why Qawsedf quoted that part of the Tiering System, is because this exact part of the FAQ also applies here


Just as a structure larger than 2-A doesn't automatically become Low 1-C, The Sea can encompass The Abyss without being 1-C

Just like a 2-A structure can contain another 2-A structure, a Low 1-C structure can contain another Low 1-C structure
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Hhhhh, this is literally what it means to talk about one thing and receive an answer about something completely unrelated.
 
Cipher72 said:
Time would make it significant no, since Time is treated as uncountable Infinite snapshots of 4-D, even if the 4th dimension is insignificant in scope as long as there's a timeline it should be L2-C (f I said 2-C and not L2-C)
Edit: NVM I just said it wrong in the comment, in the OP I said L2-C
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Just having time isnt enough for a structure to be Low 2-C, in the wiki. Thats why a ton of pocket dimension feats arent Tier 2 by default.
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Just having time isnt enough for a structure to be Low 2-C, in the wiki. Thats why a ton of pocket dimension feats arent Tier 2 by default.
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That's weird I always figured it was because those pocket dimensions didn't have time
'Characters or objects that demonstrate an infinite amount of energy on a 3-D scale, such as creating or destroying infinite mass or affecting an infinite 3-D space. This extends to an infinite number of finite or infinite-sized 3-D universes or pocket dimensions when not accounting for any higher dimensions or time. Large numbers of infinite 3-D universes, unless causally closed from one another by a separate spacetime or existence, only count for a higher level of this tier. Being 'infinitely' stronger than this level, unless uncountably so, does not qualify for any higher tier'

'Characters or objects whose power is uncountably infinitely greater than the prior tiers. That is to say, they can significantly affect, create and/or destroy higher-dimensional structures that exceed lesser objects by an uncountably infinite margin. An example of this is 4-dimensional spacetime continuums of universal size, but this can be generalized to any 4-dimensional structure of a similar scope.'
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If having time doesn't count then idk what constitutes an uncountable Infinite leap.
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
There is no evidence that the Abyss encompasses a Celestial Foundation in its entirety. It encompasses one Celestial Foundation partially, not all of it. And the narration does not tell us the exact size of the parts it encompasses. It's basically like this. The intersection would be where the Abyss and the CF overlap.
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What is the source of your statement? Can you provide the source from the narration that claims it only includes parts of the celestial foundations? Otherwise, this remains merely your personal inference, unsupported by any evidence, because the narration mentions that the Abyss intersects with all the celestial foundations, and a person from the Abyss can reach any place they want, appear anywhere, and attack from anywhere. This supports the idea that the Abyss encompasses all the celestial foundations, not just a part of them. If your claim were correct, the narration would not have mentioned that a person from the Abyss is able to reach any place they desire, appear anywhere, and attack from anywhere.
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
The King of the Abyss explains that he cannot move literally anywhere, only in the parts where the Abyss and the CF overlap/intersect. If the Abyss covered the whole Foundation, there would be no limitations for where he could go.
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Yes, this is something obvious. We all know that the Abyss does not intersect with all the celestial foundations, and this is just a repetition, as it mentions that the Abyss only operates in the places where it intersects, which is something clear and known to us. However, can you provide evidence that it does not encompass all locations within a single foundation? Honestly, the text you sent is just a repetition of what we already know.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Yes, this is something obvious. We all know that the Abyss does not intersect with all the celestial foundations, and this is just a repetition
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Azertyhuuh said:
Because the narration mentions that the Abyss intersects with all the celestial foundations, and a person from the Abyss can reach any place they want, appear anywhere, and attack from anywhere. This supports the idea that the Abyss encompasses all the celestial foundations, not just a part of them. If your claim were correct, the narration would not have mentioned that a person from the Abyss is able to reach any place they desire, appear anywhere, and attack from anywhere.
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Can you stop being disingenuous for one second ? Ik I said I wouldn't reply but this is frustrating to witness
Clearly "We" didn't include you
 
The issue continues because there are three employees who agree that the Abyss is Low 1C, and one employee who disagrees. So, it’s not that significant since the number of those who agree is greater.
 
Maniaunavailable said:
Oh ok cool read the Summary, 6D is fine and accepted. Can’t this be applied?
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Think it mostly is, UMR did it sometimes ago. The main thing rn is whether Abyss is just 5-D or 5-D and L2-C so I am kinda waiting for UMR to Qwas to clarify (yea ik UMR previously said it's not L2-C) so that's about it. After that this can be closed.
 
So anyways
Final premise:
*The Abyss: Low 1-C (5-D)
The Sea: Low 1-C (5-D)
The Higher Universes: 1-C (6-D)
Ultimate Ensemble: 1-C (6-D)
The End: 1-C (6-D)*

From what I'm seeing, unless I'm missing something? (Probably not)
7D and higher have been shot down as there was not enough proof for anything higher.

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Why the hell are you being disingenuous for? They didn't do anything so, quit with that. Treating people like **** just because they didn't agree with what you are saying is blatantly rude.
Actually I'm going to be blunt.
Where in this thread was 7-8D accepted? Do you have proof that that was the accepted premise? Proof for these statements??
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So proof? Name the people and quote their statements. L1C is 5D no one disagreed with that. 7-8D is whats being disagreed with. So who are these employees that disagree with L1C? I'm not being rude, I'm being blunt. Cause it's quite annoying when you accuse someone and treat them like sh##
And disingenuous tones is enough to make some not want to participate in the conversation any longer.
 
Cipher72 said:
Think it mostly is, UMR did it sometimes ago. The main thing rn is whether Abyss is just 5-D or 5-D and L2-C so I am kinda waiting for UMR to Qwas to clarify (yea ik UMR previously said it's not L2-C) so that's about it. After that this can be closed.
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Are you the one deciding to close the topic? The issue is still ongoing, and everything is still in its early stages. I am the one who decides when the topic will be closed, and anyone who doesn’t like it can simply ignore it, which would be perfectly fine with me.
 
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Azertyhuuh said:
Yes, this is something obvious. We all know that the Abyss does not intersect with all the celestial foundations, and this is just a repetition, as it mentions that the Abyss only operates in the places where it intersects, which is something clear and known to us. However, can you provide evidence that it does not encompass all locations within a single foundation? Honestly, the text you sent is just a repetition of what we already know.
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You are the one, as OP, who needs to prove that Abyss encompasses all of CF. The scan u sent about it being possible to go anywhere in the CF using Abyss has been directly contradicted by the scan Umr sent.
 
Alrighty this is my last message on this thread, I tried my best to summarise and document everything here
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Comprehensive Review of the Instant Death

The Higher Universes: 1C (7D) The Final Set World: 1C (8D) What was even reason for 7D and 8D
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I dropped the current topic because the thread is too long. I have accomplished what I set out to do. If OP wants to continue he can do that I am js gonna dip now.
In an ideal world OP links my summary in the OP but just in case I humbly ask the mods to tag @SuperNova55555 so that he can add my summary to his comment (since he is the first commenter)
Reiner04 said:
I am tired
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Cipher72 said:
If having time doesn't count then idk what constitutes an uncountable Infinite leap.
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On the wiki, since otherwise every pocket dimension would be a Low 2-C feat, the space in question must be spatially separate and contain something equivalent to multiple galactic clusters to be considered "significant size" for a higher dimensional rating.

A fifth-dimensional chair by itself is not Low 1-C, nor is a four-dimensional pocket dimension the size of a Honda Civic. You have to have those dimensions while also being big.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
On the wiki, since otherwise every pocket dimension would be a Low 2-C feat, the space in question must be spatially separate and contain something equivalent to multiple galactic clusters to be considered "significant size" for a higher dimensional rating.

A fifth-dimensional chair by itself is not Low 1-C, nor is a four-dimensional pocket dimension the size of a Honda Civic. You have to have those dimensions while also being big.
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I C so it must atleast be multi galactic spatially, understood I think there can be some arguments made for that but like I said not my buisness. Thx for the explanation.
 
Reiner04 said:
You are the one, as OP, who needs to prove that Abyss encompasses all of CF. The scan u sent about it being possible to go anywhere in the CF using Abyss has been directly contradicted by the scan Umr sent.
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Okay, I will now prove that the Abyss has a cosmic scale through evidence, as seen in this context here ↓
The moment he wondered that, eyes appeared before him. Within this other dimension the man occupied, countless eyes suddenly opened up all around him, as if they had been waiting there closed the entire time. The man instinctively understood that they belonged to the boy, allowing him to see even in this space.
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As everyone can see, Yogiri opened a countless number of eyes within this dimension, and this is proof that the size of this dimension is extremely large, exceeding the size of the ordinary universe in an uncountable way, because he opened a countless number of these eyes within this dimension.

Look at this calculation to understand ↓

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We know that the number of eyes Yogiri opened within this dimension is countless, which means that the size of this dimension far exceeds the size of the ordinary universe to such an extent that we cannot determine its volume with numbers or anything like that.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Okay, I will now prove that the Abyss has a cosmic scale through evidence, as seen in this context here ↓

As everyone can see, Yogiri opened a countless number of eyes within this dimension, and this is proof that the size of this dimension is extremely large, exceeding the size of the ordinary universe in an uncountable way, because he opened a countless number of these eyes within this dimension.

Look at this calculation to understand ↓

Screenshot-2026-03-19-22-50-31-37-96b26121e545231a3c569311a54cda96.jpg


We know that the number of eyes Yogiri opened within this dimension is countless, which means that the size of this dimension far exceeds the size of the ordinary universe to such an extent that we cannot determine its volume with numbers or anything like that.
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Countless here is just treated as very large numbers, starting from 1001. So countless eyes doesn't indicate anything about Abyss being Universal size.
 
Reiner04 said:
Countless here is just treated as very large numbers, starting from 1001. So countless eyes doesn't indicate anything about Abyss being Universal size.
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What kind of response is this? Your statement is wrong. A "countless" number is a number that can never be determined numerically, and the number 1001 is not countless—it can be counted.

You are literally mixing things up. For example, when a work mentions that a character destroyed a countless number of worlds, it would be classified as 2B, and the exact number destroyed would be unknown because it is countless. On the other hand, a character who destroyed, say, 1002 worlds would also be classified as 2B, but with the number 1002, and not as countless.

You are literally confusing the matters. Please review what you said.
 
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In RoR Sasaki in his Human Life faced countless opponents

This does not mean he faced infinite enemies


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In more western games like Don't Look Outside

We see the word countless being used for an entity with many limbs but its clear it only covers the planet and not the universe as shown in the screenshot

People have used the Word "Countless" hyperbolically so it depends on context
 
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A "countless" number is a number that can never be determined numerically, no matter what number you choose—it can be counted. On the other hand, a countless number cannot ever be determined. As you can see from the calculation, we can determine the number of eyes needed to fill the entire ordinary-sized universe, and we can even determine the required amount for two universes, and so on. Any number that can be determined is countable.

A countless number, however, can never be quantified or counted, which supports my point. Honestly, with your statement, you are misunderstanding the concept of a countless number. Even in the case you mentioned, it doesn’t apply as you suggested, because anything that can be counted is not countless.

I also don’t understand the relevance of that level to what you’re saying. Yes, that level is for characters who, for example, can destroy countless universes, which places them in the same 2B rank. But this level actually ranges from 1001 to a certain finite number. Any number within that range can be counted, so it is not a countless number. A countless number can never be counted or quantified. Yes, these are just extremely large numbers—so large that you cannot easily count them—but they are still countable.
 
Mbpoops said:
Well countless given the context does not always default to infinite it could just mean a large number of things rather than just “infinite” it probably needs more context to be infinite
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A countless number ≠ infinite.

I am trying to prove that the Abyss is at least of cosmic scale, and that it exceeds the cosmic size in an uncountable way, based on the argument I presented here.
 
Countless is just used to describe a large quantity. The amount of grains of sand in the beach are countless, the amount of insects in the world are countless, the amount of stars in the sky are countless. Countless is not quantifiable nor does it imply superiority over any sort of number. It just means that a number is really big. How big? Depends of the context.

But just because ChatGPT gave you a rough calc that says how many eyes would fit in the universe doesn't mean "countless" is bigger than that.
 
Countless could literally mean anything and it's all context dependant.
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JustANormalPerson01 said:
Countless is just used to describe a large quantity. The amount of grains of sand in the beach are countless, the amount of insects in the world are countless, the amount of stars in the sky are countless. Countless is not quantifiable nor does it imply superiority over any sort of number. It just means that a number is really big. How big? Depends of the context.

But just because ChatGPT gave you a rough calc that says how many eyes would fit in the universe doesn't mean "countless" is bigger than that.
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They have said ^
To add, countless is anything over a number that you can't count.
So..
The moment he wondered that, eyes appeared before him. Within this other dimension the man occupied, countless eyes suddenly opened up all around him, as if they had been waiting there closed the entire time. The man instinctively understood that they belonged to the boy, allowing him to see even in this space.

This has barely any merit. For all we know the countless could be we'll over a thousand. Or maybe more.

So that's not helping or even proving cosmic scale.
 
The Eyes are probably countless, maybe even infinite in nature.


Malna looked at Yogiri Takatou in disbelief. Eyes appeared. Like they
had been there the whole time, just shut until now. Eyelids opened to reveal
countless eyes all around her. That was the embodiment of the concept of
sight. It was a sign that Yogiri Takatou was aware of her existence. He knew
she was looking at him, and he was looking back at her.

A chill ran through him as the eyes continued to appear one after another.
It was hard to tell how much time had passed while everything was frozen,
but in what seemed like the briefest of instants, the space around him was
filled with eyes in numbers beyond counting.
Eyes.
Eyes.
Eyes.

Darian opened his eyes. First he needed to know how far back he’d gone.
And then their eyes met.
Darian screamed, sparing no thought for appearances. He should have
escaped, but still he was being watched by countless eyes.
“No, that’s wrong! This time should have been before I ever met him!”
He suddenly realized something. Rather, he was forced to notice. He had
indeed returned to the past, but the eyes were still there. That could mean
only one thing: those eyes had existed everywhere, right from the start.
Whether it was a curse or some kind of corruption, he always maintained
his memories when he traveled to the past, and now that he had noticed those
eyes, he could never unsee them. No matter how far back he traveled, he
would still know they were there.
There was nowhere he could run.
Darian’s sanity didn’t last for much longer.
 
Zanesucksatlife said:
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nothing. But rather than let his good fortunes go to his head, he'd studied hard and ended up becoming one of the wealthiest men on the planet. There was no dark underside to his business, and he even took on great philanthropic projects that had significant global impacts. He married the woman he passionately loved, was blessed with a family that loved him just as much, and when his time finally came, countless people mourned his passing.
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