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Jujutsu Kaisen Calculations - Attack Potency...

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Hi. Since I doubt all of the incorrect calculations will be evaluated if they're in one thread, I'll split them up.

Sukuna's Divine Flame blows up Shibuya

Just a quick thing. The 5/6 and 1/6 thing comes from the Empire State Building, which isn't really a regular building (it's literally a skyscraper), so that's wrong and needs to be changed to just base concrete.

Now we have the mass of the buildings.

SO... Concrete is a non-combustible material... So... Idk why we're calculating it, combusting... Like it can combust...

Also.. Thermobaric explosions happen when... Well, it doesn't happen with concrete dust thats for sure. So, this is flowery language.

And another, the coal combustion energy is a bit too high.

Jogo's Meteor

This doesn't make sense. The earthquake somehow has more energy than the meteor? That's not how physics works. You would need a higher output energy compared to the input energy to create an earthquake larger than the meteor's PE.

Uraume creates a giant ice structure

From what i've seen, Uraume doesn't create Ice from water, and, well, we calculated it as if she does, so the first line of action is to calculate it as if she froze air. Also, it looks as if it's snowing, so I'd lower the temperature.

Maximum Meteor could turn a town to ashes

Okay, so-.. I don't get it. Cinder is defined as a small piece of partly burnt coal or wood. So why are we using RC? It'd be wood, buildings made of wood. Also, cinders do not automatically mean pulverisation, they can be classed as violent fragmentation too.

Gojo creates an earthquake

Okay, he was unsealed, and it created an earthquake. Okay, how was he unsealed? What was it from? Now, after some research theres something called the back gate, and Angel uses Jacob's ladder to unseal it, which then creates an earthquake.. Notice the inconsistency? Where does this prove Gojo's power created an earthquake?

Mechamaru's year charges

The pixel scaling is highballed, Mahito is miles away from the robot and we're using him as a scale to scale the robot? The multiplication by 2 is also crazy. I don't really doubt its size, just.. This isn't how you'd calculate it. Now, when we get the robot's weight we... Get it's KE and then multiply it by time? What formula is that!!!?! Either way, it's blatantly wrong; you don't multiply the KE of an object by time in seconds to get a new Energy.

 
It was already decided to ditch this calc in staff thread. It's stays on the verse page and is used for scaling only because verse is not updated yet.
Uraume creates a giant ice structure
KingTempest already recalced this feat with this particular objection in mind. We are waiting for it's evaluation
Jogo's Meteor
Meteor could generate earthquake with higher energy than its AP if it has high enough speed, or if it's imbued with cursed energy.
Regardless there already CGM thread going on, that would severely downgrade results of this and similar calcs if it gets accepted.
 
SO... Concrete is a non-combustible material... So... Idk why we're calculating it, combusting... Like it can combust...

Also.. Thermobaric explosions happen when... Well, it doesn't happen with concrete dust thats for sure. So, this is flowery language.
It literally does happen in the manga, its not just an statement. Its a straight up shown thing and you cant say its just flowery language and call it a day.
And another, the coal combustion energy is a bit too high.
Ill let drite comment on this since it was his proposal

Jogo's Meteor

This doesn't make sense. The earthquake somehow has more energy than the meteor? That's not how physics works. You would need a higher output energy compared to the input energy to create an earthquake larger than the meteor's PE.
I dont think this is a concern

Uraume creates a giant ice structure

From what i've seen, Uraume doesn't create Ice from water, and, well, we calculated it as if she does, so the first line of action is to calculate it as if she froze air. Also, it looks as if it's snowing, so I'd lower the temperature.

Already covered dude

Maximum Meteor could turn a town to ashes

Okay, so-.. I don't get it. Cinder is defined as a small piece of partly burnt coal or wood. So why are we using RC? It'd be wood, buildings made of wood. Also, cinders do not automatically mean pulverisation, they can be classed as violent fragmentation too.

More proper translations do say it turns the town to dust and ashes. I should have included the vsbw translation too lowk.

Gojo creates an earthquake

Okay, he was unsealed, and it created an earthquake. Okay, how was he unsealed? What was it from? Now, after some research theres something called the back gate, and Angel uses Jacob's ladder to unseal it, which then creates an earthquake.. Notice the inconsistency? Where does this prove Gojo's power created an earthquake?

The entire beginning of the chapter talks about how theyre worried of the possible colateral damage when unsealing Gojo due to Gojo's own power and possible deterioration in mental state. Not because of the unsealing itself causing any damage.

Mechamaru's year charges

The pixel scaling is highballed, Mahito is miles away from the robot and we're using him as a scale to scale the robot?

Thats just not true lol. The robot is literally pointing straight at Mahito (He just shot at him) and guess where hes pointing, straight towards his side. They're side to side in the same plane.

Now, when we get the robot's weight we... Get it's KE and then multiply it by time? What formula is that!!!?! Either way, it's blatantly wrong; you don't multiply the KE of an object by time in seconds to get a new Energy.

You didnt read anything about the reason thats done. But discussion on this calc doesnt really matter since kt already took it down.

Pretty low quality thread
 
It literally does happen in the manga, its not just an statement. Its a straight up shown thing and you cant say its just flowery language and call it a day.
Something impossible and uncalcable happens in the manga so lets calculate it incorrectly because we need a calculation is basically what you just said.
I dont think this is a concern
That's not a debunk.
More proper translations do say it turns the town to dust and ashes. I should have included the vsbw translation too lowk.
Okay .
The entire beginning of the chapter talks about how theyre worried of the possible colateral damage when unsealing Gojo due to Gojo's own power and possible deterioration in mental state. Not because of the unsealing itself causing any damage.
This doesn't really address the full extent of my points.
Thats just not true lol. The robot is literally pointing straight at Mahito (He just shot at him) and guess where hes pointing, straight towards his side. They're side to side in the same plane.
Genuinely? I don't agree. I visually see something different.
You didnt read anything about the reason thats done. But discussion on this calc doesnt really matter since kt already took it down.
No reasoning would justify the incorrect basis of what you did there.
Pretty low quality thread
Honestly man, I hate it when people say this about me, especially when they ought to learn the physics behind debunks I make. I don't want to be rude, but come on man, step up and try to not get me into trouble for something that's just not true.
 
you were not sealed like Gojo.
I'm actually crying. What fallacious debunk even is this.
Almost everything from your thread could’ve been resolved if you just the manga.
I'm genuinely going to cry irl. What?! You didn't address anything

Dude I'm not even trying to be mean but like seriously, what?
 
Manga literally explains why the concrete combusts lmfao
See? You don’t know anything and yet made a thread to debunk calcs you don’t understand. Like yeah so what the earthquake for Jogo’s calc is higher? That’s a non issue. The earthquake just has higher results because it affected a large area with medium intensity. “It can’t be higher than PE/KE” no. It can.
 
Not everything is a debunk nor need one, you just needed to be called out because these are mostly non issues.
Calling things non issues isn't a debunk. Step up your game dude, because, this isn't on.
Read
The
Series
I don't need to read a series to debunk it.
Like yeah so what the earthquake for Jogo’s calc is higher? That’s a non issue. The earthquake just has higher results because it affected a large area with medium intensity. “It can’t be higher than PE/KE” no. It can.
Going against the nature of calculations and physics.
 
Je suis d'accord avec Joakin. The args presented in the OP were either already dealt with or are just straight up ridiculous arguments. The thermobaric energy is from Sukuna's own supernatural thing amping the explosion's potency, not accounting for that is straight up going against narrative; especially when that narrative isn't being contradicted by dozens of times
 
Je suis d'accord avec Joakin. The args presented in the OP were either already dealt with or are just straight up ridiculous arguments. The thermobaric energy is from Sukuna's own supernatural thing amping the explosion's potency, not accounting for that is straight up going against narrative; especially when that narrative isn't being contradicted by dozens of times
Thermobaric energy does not come from concrete dust. That goes against what thermobaric energy is defined as.
 
I don't need to read a series to debunk it.
Huh?😭😭😭😭😭
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Calling things non issues isn't a debunk. Step up your game dude, because, this isn't on.
It is when you don’t actually give an explanation for why it would be one.
I don't need to read a series to debunk it.
You do, otherwise you end up with a stupid thread like this one.
Going against the nature of calculations and physics.
It doesn’t even matter. Jogo’s meteor is a CE-based attack and not a regular one.
 
I read the scan, I don't know what you mean, can you point it out?
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"With a binding vow all matter pulverised by malevolent shrine become bathed in explosive cursed energy"


Didnt even read the scan
 
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Yo I deadass don't think I can deal with another big verse without staff stepping in to stop it's supporters from being like this. I'm summoning some staff to this.
It is when you don’t actually give an explanation for why it would be one.
Shifting the burden.
You do, otherwise you end up with a stupid thread like this one.
Okay bro, like , step up your game.
It doesn’t even matter. Jogo’s meteor is a CE-based attack and not a regular one.
I guess we won't use basic physics to calculate it then... Oh wait... We do.
 
Thermobaric energy does not come from concrete dust. That goes against what thermobaric energy is defined as.
Well if you actually read the series, you'd know that the pulverised substances gain explosive CE supernaturally from Malevolent Shrine's Binding Vow, it isn't generated from the dust itself

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Some of this could've just been handled as a Questions & Answers thread, asking for clarification about the calcs.
None of these are really questions-
Well if you actually read the series, you'd know that the pulverised substances gain explosive CE supernaturally from Malevolent Shrine's Binding Vow, it isn't generated from the dust itself

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This doesn't prove thermobaric energy. Just because concrete dust explodes (which it can do so irl), doesn't mean its thermobaric energy.
 
Shifting the burden.
Not really. We’ve always operated like this. Madara also has two meteors yieding like, 6-B energies from earthquakes while they are High 6-C or something. “It is wrong within physics” so is a lot of stuff we do, anyway.
Okay bro, like , step up your game.
Dude with stupid arguments telling someone to step their game. Hilarious.
I guess we won't use basic physics to calculate it then... Oh wait... We do.
Or you just adhere to the sites’ standards and stop complaining about things we’ve been doing much before you joined. Our Relativistic KE rules don’t follow physics 100% either. Or our Black Hole creation. Or anything, really.
 
None of these are really questions-
There are definitely questions here:

Okay, so-.. I don't get it. Cinder is defined as a small piece of partly burnt coal or wood. So why are we using RC?
Okay, he was unsealed, and it created an earthquake. Okay, how was he unsealed? What was it from? Now, after some research theres something called the back gate, and Angel uses Jacob's ladder to unseal it, which then creates an earthquake.. Notice the inconsistency? Where does this prove Gojo's power created an earthquake?
 
Yo I deadass don't think I can deal with another big verse without staff stepping in to stop it's supporters from being like this. I'm summoning some staff to this
Summon them idc
But trying to debunk a verse while proudly saying you didn't read it is another level of shamelessness never seen before

Like the story tells you it's a thermobaric bomb and goes into details of how the explosion works (tight spaces to maximise pressure and temperature just like a thermobaric bomb) and the pulverised materials already gain explosive properties so your argument about concrete dust not being suitable is irrelevant rubbish, it's not normal concrete dust anymore
 
This doesn't prove thermobaric energy. Just because concrete dust explodes (which it can do so irl), doesn't mean its thermobaric energy.
Concrete dust does not explode with a fire attack alone (which Fuga is) because concrete is not combustible on it's own. You need a fuel for that, which the narrative explains which exact type it was. Unless you have another plausible explanation as to how concrete blows up an entire town so violently, you have no basis for what you would be saying and claiming it's "flowery language" severely misunderstands how that claim is even made in the first place.

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Also let's not forget, the explanation the narrator is providing for us is noted to come directly from Gege's science consultant, Kurare, which helped Gege with the physics of numerous phenomena in the series, including Kashimo's lightning. I'd rather take an inductive reasoning from him than some dude who claims narrator statements are flowery for no reason


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Concrete dust does not explode with a fire attack alone (which Fuga is) because concrete is not combustible on it's own. You need a fuel for that, which the narrative explains which exact type it was. Unless you have another plausible explanation as to how concrete blows up an entire town so violently, you have no basis for what you would be saying and claiming it's "flowery language" severely misunderstands how that claim is even made in the first place.

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It also literally describes a thermobarmic explosion in the panel lmfao


And that's ignoring the fact that thermobaric is a noun iirc
 
Not really. We’ve always operated like this. Madara also has two meteors yieding like, 6-B energies from earthquakes while they are High 6-C or something. “It is wrong within physics” so is a lot of stuff we do, anyway.
Using Naruto calculations to justify another verse. True peakism.

So uhm, no. We use basic physics to calculate it, we use basic physics to debunk it, that's how it works.
Dude with stupid arguments telling someone to step their game. Hilarious.
I'm crying.
Or you just adhere to the sites’ standards and stop complaining about things we’ve been doing much before you joined. Our Relativistic KE rules don’t follow physics 100% either. Or our Black Hole creation. Or anything, really.
You don't seem to understand what I'm saying, that's okay. I can explain it more if you want.
There are definitely questions here:
I answer my own questions, but I get what you mean.
But trying to debunk a verse while proudly saying you didn't read it is another level of shamelessness never seen before
Yo dead ass, I'm going to actually cry. This is common practice on the wiki. Stop acting like this whenever I debunk a verse. I saw bad calcs so I debunked bad calcs.
Like the story tells you it's a thermobaric bomb and goes into details of how the explosion works (tight spaces to maximise pressure and temperature just like a thermobaric bomb) and the pulverised materials already gain explosive properties so your argument about concrete dust not being suitable is irrelevant rubbish, it's not normal concrete dust anymore
I cant take this seriously anymore. Thermobaric bombs are not made from concrete dust, based on real physics.
just like a thermobaric bomb
How did you come to this conclusion, it states it IS a thermobaric bomb.
The most embarrassing part is saying it's flowery language when you refuse to read the manga
How the hell do you know it's flowery language??
Yo when did I lose the ability to downgrade a series without reading it. It's like I haven't done this a million times.
Concrete dust does not explode with a fire attack alone
It does.
(which Fuga is) because concrete is not combustible on it's own.
Combustion is not an explosion
Unless you have another plausible explanation as to how concrete blows up an entire town so violently, you have no basis for what you would be saying and claiming it's "flowery language" severely misunderstands how that claim is even made in the first place.
I don't want this to be rude, If you knew what combustion was defined as (I assume you misinterpreted it), you would come to my conclusion.
Also let's not forget, the explanation the narrator is providing for us is noted to come directly from Gege's science consultant, Kurare, which helped Gege with the physics of numerous phenomena in the series, including Kashimo's lightning. I'd rather take an inductive reasoning from him than some dude who claims narrator statements are flowery for no reason


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This is like me saying. In the manga, the scientist said the shockwave is wind traveling at subsonic speeds, but we'll calculate it as a shockwave because it's stated to be one.
 
Sorry if I sound rude, I'm a bit frustrated and may come off like that, not my intention, reading some of these back, I'm sorry.
 
Using Naruto calculations to justify another verse. True peakism.
Could be any other verse. What you don’t seem to understand is that WE as a forum, do that. We ignore some physics to be able to achieve those results.
So uhm, no. We use basic physics to calculate it, we use basic physics to debunk it, that's how it works.
Said someone who isn’t well versed on site’s standards for most things, despite being a retired staff.
I'm crying.
Nah WE are crying cause what tf is your thread 💔
You don't seem to understand what I'm saying, that's okay. I can explain it more if you want.
Don’t act like that’s some extremely complicated matter that only you knows about it. We ALL understand it. We just think it’s stupid. And it is.
 
As the thread stands, I disagree with it. It’s just a bunch of stupid questions being asked that could easily be dealt if you had read the manga before trying to debunk calcs that you ALSO don’t understand about.

I disagree with the thread.
 
It calls the particles thermobaric, is stated to have imbued them with explosive cursed energy then we are told that the explosion creates high pressure and with the particles creating shockwaves when they ignite which you know, are what define a thermobaric explosion.

Not only did you not bother to read the page explaining how the concrete became explosive but you read the following page with the description of a thermobaric explosion and it literally calling it that and made the claim it was flowery?
 
Could be any other verse. What you don’t seem to understand is that WE as a forum, do that. We ignore some physics to be able to achieve those results.
I gave reasoning as to why we don't do that, don't ignore it.

Some more:
This is like me saying. In the manga, the scientist said the shockwave is wind traveling at subsonic speeds, but we'll calculate it as a shockwave because it's stated to be one.

Said someone who isn’t well versed on site’s standards for most things, despite being a retired staff.
Oh lord, lets insult each other. Nah, I'm not gonna play this game. Trying to make me angry isn't going to work dude.
Don’t act like that’s some extremely complicated matter that only you knows about it. We ALL understand it. We just think it’s stupid. And it is.
Who's we.
 
Yo dead ass, I'm going to actually cry. This is common practice on the wiki. Stop acting like this whenever I debunk a verse. I saw bad calcs so I debunked bad calcs.
"Debunk bad calcs"

How bro is debunking the calcs: It's flowery language
A CGM debunks calcs by showing the numbers are wrong
You're arguing the narrative intent here is hyperbole
Which means you either know the story well enough to know that is or you're a clown who's pulling things from his behind
I cant take this seriously anymore. Thermobaric bombs are not made from concrete dust, based on real physics.
Cool neither can humans shatter stone
Happens in jjk
How did you come to this conclusion, it states it IS a thermobaric bomb.
So why are you arguing then?
If it states it's a thermobaric bomb then it is a thermobaric bomb
Yo when did I lose the ability to downgrade a series without reading it. It's like I haven't done this a million times.
This isn't the Flex you think it is
If these are the arguments you use to downgrade a verse
 
Is the insult with us in the room right now?
You're basically saying I don't know what I'm talking about despite being a former staff member, insulting my ability to come to a conclusion.
Not only did you not bother to read the page explaining how the concrete became explosive but you read the following page with the description of a thermobaric explosion and it literally calling it that and made the claim it was flowery?
Concrete becomes explosive from intense heat, it does not mean its thermobaric, that's a complete different definition. Search it up.
How bro is debunking the calcs: It's flowery language
I said that as part of my debunk to 1 calc out of a solid 5 calcs I debunked.
A CGM debunks calcs by showing the numbers are wrong
I did debunk it using basic physics.
or you're a clown who's pulling things from his behind
Okay bro.
Cool neither can humans shatter stone
Happens in jjk
That has nothing to do with what I said.
So why are you arguing then?
If it states it's a thermobaric bomb then it is a thermobaric bomb
Okay bro, what? Are we serious, because that's a question beg.
 
Is this rage bait? Since when has CONCRETE blown up from FIRE alone???? I feel like not even a physics buff would know that's not even true and I would love for you to prove that to be the case
Combustion is not an explosion
I never said combustion is an explosion, I said fire doesn't blow up concrete without a medium because concrete isn't a combustible material. Example:

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I don't want this to be rude, If you knew what combustion was defined as (I assume you misinterpreted it), you would come to my conclusion.
Well that's great because I never talked about combustion, just that the material has to be combustible to blow up from fire alone, which you claimed concrete would do if exposed to it. The fuel that was explained thoroughly in the manga bridges the gap between "burning building" and "exploding fireball"
This is like me saying. In the manga, the scientist said the shockwave is wind traveling at subsonic speeds, but we'll calculate it as a shockwave because it's stated to be one.
If the wind is a shockwave in that fictional setting, it is what it is. Ignoring narrative contexts is a massive argument from incredulity on your part, especially when you have no basis for your claims here. You haven't presented anything that would be equally plausible in the Fuga scenario other than just say "it's flowery language because dust doesn't make fuel!"
 
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