Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[Theuser789]

Question: where is it implied that King Arthur was going to merge Camelot and the underworld together? It says that on his profile, but the scan used doesn’t suggest that at all from what I can see.

It's Merlina who was going to do it, I don't know why we said King Arthur would've done it.

 

[Omegabronic]

Bro is just determined to take the high end for everything Sonic even when official sources are just saying otherwise.

No, i am determined to actually follow what the series SHOWS and SAYS, not take every lowball and limitation possible even if it

Prove that rings have no part in it-

No, you asserted, YOU PROVE, I do not need to prove a negative, don't shift things, specially when i have SHOWED several instances of Super Forms not caring for Rings whatsoever, IDW and Otherworldly comedy being another example of such btw

Speaking of you needing to prove things

, something that characters mention in almost every super sonic boss fight.

Just as they mention the "X button to dash" and such, non canon, fourth wall breaking, Game Mechanics explanations, nothing more, YOU PROVE that the Rings are canonically how a Super Form is sustained, until you do that, they will remain simply being a game mechanic in relation to Super Forms, nothing more

Cyloop does not create rings, it digs them up. It does not work on every platform, and also doesn’t work in super form

yeah no, it creates them, why else would using it on THE SAME EXACT SPOT cause endless rings to spawn the more you use it? And the Super Sonic one not working?... Gameplay mechanic obviously, unless you are seriously suggesting that the Super Form removes abilities from Sonic that is

 

[JJSliderman]

No, i am determined to actually follow what the series SHOWS and SAYS, not take every lowball and limitation possible even if it

And what the series shows is that when super forms run out of rings, they detransform. Very consistently. You ignoring that doesn’t make it disappear. Prove that your 3 instances of not relying on rings supersede the 20 instances where they do.

No, you asserted, YOU PROVE, I do not need to prove a negative, don't shift things, specially when i have SHOWED several instances of Super Forms not caring for Rings whatsoever, IDW and Otherworldly comedy being another example of such btw

The super forms in IDW and Otherworld don’t really have a shown timeframe for how long they were in use, it could fall into line with needing rings and they just didn’t exhaust it.

Speaking of you needing to prove things

Just as they mention the "X button to dash" and such, non canon, fourth wall breaking, Game Mechanics explanations, nothing more, YOU PROVE that the Rings are canonically how a Super Form is sustained, until you do that, they will remain simply being a game mechanic in relation to Super Forms, nothing more

My proof is what the game is outright showing to me during the actual fights involving super sonic? I guess the games are not enough to provide evidence for this game franchise

yeah no, it creates them, why else would using it on THE SAME EXACT SPOT cause endless rings to spawn the more you use it? And the Super Sonic one not working?... Gameplay mechanic obviously, unless you are seriously suggesting that the Super Form removes abilities from Sonic that is

It’s always game mechanics, isn’t it. Even though the game mechanics also show that there are places where Cyloop doesn’t generate rings, like on the squid’s created platforms.

 

[Omegabronic]

And what the series shows is that when super forms run out of rings, they detransform. Very consistently. You ignoring that doesn’t make it disappear. Prove that your 3 instances of not relying on rings supersede the 20 instances where they do.

5, not 3, besides, if all 20 instances are purely gameplay mechanics... then they don't hold much weight, unless you can prove that, canonically, Rings are what fuels Super Forms, even tho multiple times have them been achieved without Rings

The super forms in IDW and Otherworld don’t really have a shown timeframe for how long they were in use, it could fall into line with needing rings and they just didn’t exhaust it.

They didn't had any rings at the time, so that isn't it

My proof is what the game is outright showing to me during the actual fights involving super sonic? I guess the games are not enough to provide evidence for this game franchise

And of course you ignore the instances where that is, factually, not the case

It’s always game mechanics, isn’t it. Even though the game mechanics also show that there are places where Cyloop doesn’t generate rings, like on the squid’s created platforms.

I really don't see where you are going with this... The Cyloop even works when on top of a Titan... where Rings factually cannot be "dug out" of

 

[JJSliderman]

5, not 3, besides, if all 20 instances are purely gameplay mechanics... then they don't hold much weight, unless you can prove that, canonically, Rings are what fuels Super Forms, even tho multiple times have them been achieved without Rings

It shouldn’t matter if it’s gameplay, this is the most consistent aspect of super forms throughout their appearances, ignoring all of them is purely agenda pushing.

They didn't had any rings at the time, so that isn't it

Super form gives you rings if you are deficient in them, we see this in multiple games where if you have, say 0 rings in Frontiers, you get 50 upon transforming without visibly collecting.

And of course you ignore the instances where that is, factually, not the case

I weigh them against the instances where it is the case, the latter is far more common and consistent.

I really don't see where you are going with this... The Cyloop even works when on top of a Titan... where Rings factually cannot be "dug out" of

I tested it myself, it doesn’t work as super sonic when on a titan. My point with squid is that factually, Cyloop doesn’t generate rings in every single location, so it can’t be creation. Unless you want to argue that these platforms Squid makes have “creation negation hax”

 

[JED]

Well thank you I tried my best with that explanation even if it still probably sounds like rambling.

No need to apologize, just stating your opinion (that was objectively correct btw).

 

[Snek]

No need to apologize, just stating your opinion

Okay thanks. I just feel strongly about it because I really like Sage as a character.

(that was objectively correct btw).

I don't know if agreeing with that would make me sound pretentious. So you said it not me.

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Anyways on an unrelated note does anyone know if the Chaotix Casefiles releases weekly or if the short period between previous releases is just incidental. I'd like to know if the next episode can be expected to release tomorrow because I'm looking forward to seeing what they do.

 

[MysticMania]

 

[MysticMania]

im so glad they don't spoil out the ass whom the new characters are in the thumbnail

 

[TMaakkonen]

Chaotix Files exists to put Infinite in go kart :V

Unironically those reveals are for April n May but we are supposed to get March character too.

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Surge who?

 

[Galactidot]

Red upscale

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

FWIW, this confirms they're willing to revisit games/series already repped. We might end up with more IDW stuff, for example.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Classic Sonic maybe even Classic trio for June feels locked :V

 

[Omegabronic]

It shouldn’t matter if it’s gameplay, this is the most consistent aspect of super forms throughout their appearances, ignoring all of them is purely agenda pushing.

Yes it does matter, specially on this site, and also specially when the said "rule" is ignored everytime the story finds it convenient, almost as if it isn't an actual rule

It isn't agenda, i showed you examples of rings not mattering, I explained why "energy" being consumed makes no sense with what the Emeralds are said, in lore, to do, calling something an agenda cuz you don't agree with it doesn't make it, in fact, agenda, at all

Super form gives you rings if you are deficient in them

And in every example you gave, it doesn't, and you actually need to collect 50 rings before even using the Super Form, aka, the examples you gave are thus separated into 2 different, contradictory "rule sets"... not looking so consistent now

we see this in multiple games where if you have, say 0 rings in Frontiers, you get 50 upon transforming without visibly collecting.

And in Sonic 2, Sonic Riders, Zero Gravity, Free Riders, Sonic 4, etc, that isn't the case, if you don't have 50 rings? You simply CAN'T transform, if you are going to define a mechanic for the Super Form, then maybe you should stay consistent with it rather than using several examples that contradict eachother

I weigh them against the instances where it is the case, the latter is far more common and consistent.

No it isn't, as i demonstrated above, it isn't consistent, the factual 2 mechanics you are proposing are INHERENTLY contradictory to eachother, and since all are purely gameplay mechanic focused, I can confidently say that using the lore happenings ones, which are separated from any gameplay, takes priority

I tested it myself, it doesn’t work as super sonic when on a titan.

Nope, Normal Sonic on a titan, go test it again

My point with squid is that factually, Cyloop doesn’t generate rings in every single location, so it can’t be creation.
Unless you want to argue that these platforms Squid makes have “creation negation hax”

Considering that you can do that when on top of a Titan, yes, that IS the most likely scenario, specially when you can "dig" on thin floating plataforms... which have no space to "burrow" any rings or anything else at all

 

[JED]

Okay thanks. I just feel strongly about it because I really like Sage as a character.

I don't know if agreeing with that would make me sound pretentious. So you said it not me.

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Anyways on an unrelated note does anyone know if the Chaotix Casefiles releases weekly or if the short period between previous releases is just incidental. I'd like to know if the next episode can be expected to release tomorrow because I'm looking forward to seeing what they do.

They’re weekly. But tomorrow is the last episode though.

 

[Theuser789]

Okay thanks. I just feel strongly about it because I really like Sage as a character.

I don't know if agreeing with that would make me sound pretentious. So you said it not me.

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Anyways on an unrelated note does anyone know if the Chaotix Casefiles releases weekly or if the short period between previous releases is just incidental. I'd like to know if the next episode can be expected to release tomorrow because I'm looking forward to seeing what they do.

It comes out tomorrow.

 

[Snek]

They’re weekly. But tomorrow is the last episode though.

It comes out tomorrow.

Okay that's great.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

 

[TheStinkeer]

Defending Sonic's Erasure resistance in Gens (i'm literally having to use the Orca to defend the resistance i hate this franchise) actually makes me wonder if there's been any official confirmation about what happened to Classic Tails cause he just kinda, shows up out of nowhere

 

[MysticMania]

Defending Sonic's Erasure resistance in Gens (i'm literally having to use the Orca to defend the resistance i hate this franchise) actually makes me wonder if there's been any official confirmation about what happened to Classic Tails cause he just kinda, shows up out of nowhere

Sea Fox prevents all damage

 

[Snek]

Well this guy is slightly late however this breakdown of Undefeatable is really interesting.

 

[TheStinkeer]

Sea Fox prevents all damage

Classic Tails with prep time VS Time Eater who wins

 

[Issen_Mk_III]

Well this guy is slightly late however this breakdown of Undefeatable is really interesting.

All that gushing just for Ruby Delusions to solo the shit out of the Titan themes.

 

[Fireld]

 

[Snek]

Overall I'm pleased with this.

I like how Team Chaotix continue to receive literally anything except money for their work, that's probably my favorite running gag in the franchise. And I'm willing to bet the "repaired" Chaotix Copter probably has some kinks because Tori having the spagonia first year engineering students do the repairs is just diabolical lol.

 

[Theuser789]

It was alright.

Spoiler: Villain's fate

Hopefully Infinite returns sometime soon. It's implied he isn't dead again.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Okay, weird question: did they recently confirm Sonic Rumble to be canon? I've been seeing a bunch of people claim it is ever since it was confirmed Blade of Courage wasn't canon (didn't realize how bad that discourse was until I checked Twitter), but I swear I can't find a source for that myself.

 

[Theuser789]

Okay, weird question: did they recently confirm Sonic Rumble to be canon? I've been seeing a bunch of people claim it is ever since it was confirmed Blade of Courage wasn't canon (didn't realize how bad that discourse was until I checked Twitter), but I swear I can't find a source for that myself.

The latest Rumble newsdrop did by adding an intro. It's not that relevant as it's a toy party game made by Eggman.

 

[Plasmaman33]

Waitaminute.

• Clutch can fight to keep up against Modern Sonic.
• Clutch suggests that it is not currently at its best.
• Does that mean that a Clutch from the past (during the Heroes, Adventure, or Battle events) would be something like the strongest on Earth, with his "weakened" version being equal (or slightly less) to Modern Sonic?

Imagine Emerl going crazy and out of nowhere Clutch destroys him in a one-shot with his staff.

 

[Snek]

Waitaminute.

• Clutch can fight to keep up against Modern Sonic.
• Clutch suggests that it is not currently at its best.
• Does that mean that a Clutch from the past (during the Heroes, Adventure, or Battle events) would be something like the strongest on Earth, with his "weakened" version being equal (or slightly less) to Modern Sonic?

Yeah that is an amusing train of thought. The realistic awnser to that is that IDW nerfs or buffs characters whenever it feels like it for the sake of convenience and they needed Sonic to not be that strong in that particular moment for "stakes".

But. That said.
Even without scaling Clutch to Sonic full on, it's actually wild how strong he is if you expect him to only be human level as I did initially before I paid attention to his feats. He flings two larger security guards effortlessly, he smashes a metal console with his cane, he makes actual afterimages while he played keep away with Sonic, he grappled with the transformed Eggstreme Gear for several seconds before being overpowered and he withstood Surges strongest attack though he was the only one who got knocked out.

Imagine Emerl going crazy and out of nowhere Clutch destroys him in a one-shot with his staff.

It's funnier to imagine that happening with a modern era Egg Pawn according to the current profiles lol.

 

[Omegabronic]

Waitaminute.

• Clutch can fight to keep up against Modern Sonic.
• Clutch suggests that it is not currently at its best.
• Does that mean that a Clutch from the past (during the Heroes, Adventure, or Battle events) would be something like the strongest on Earth, with his "weakened" version being equal (or slightly less) to Modern Sonic?

Imagine Emerl going crazy and out of nowhere Clutch destroys him in a one-shot with his staff.

I THINK he still too old at that time, like... idk

 

[StarShooter80]

Does anyone still have that scan of Sonic becoming after hermit koco unlocked his potential

 

[MysticMania]

Waitaminute.

• Clutch can fight to keep up against Modern Sonic.
• Clutch suggests that it is not currently at its best.
• Does that mean that a Clutch from the past (during the Heroes, Adventure, or Battle events) would be something like the strongest on Earth, with his "weakened" version being equal (or slightly less) to Modern Sonic?

Imagine Emerl going crazy and out of nowhere Clutch destroys him in a one-shot with his staff.

Clutch is hot so I agree with him outscaling Sonic imo.

 

[MysticMania]

If we get a Season 2 of CrossWorlds DLC ( both paid non-SEGA characters+vehicles+stages and free SEGA/Sonic characters+vehicles ) what would you like to see?

 

[Theuser789]

Waitaminute.

• Clutch can fight to keep up against Modern Sonic.
• Clutch suggests that it is not currently at its best.
• Does that mean that a Clutch from the past (during the Heroes, Adventure, or Battle events) would be something like the strongest on Earth, with his "weakened" version being equal (or slightly less) to Modern Sonic?

Imagine Emerl going crazy and out of nowhere Clutch destroys him in a one-shot with his staff.

IDW isn't really consistent with the power growth statements, which is why we have rusty Mecha being far stronger than regular Mecha lol.

 

[Sparkive]

IDW isn't really consistent with the power growth statements, which is why we have rusty Mecha being far stronger than regular Mecha lol.

We have modern Chaos Zero scaling up to Sonic from Forces, Classic Sonic in general, Mephiles un Shadow Generations and all the characters becoming comparable to Sonic after he got stronger just by existing... That's a problem with the entire franchise.

 

[Theuser789]

The only real issue there is Chaos Zero, but that's fine, as he can grow stronger, as seen in Battle. The rest are non-issues.

 

[StarShooter80]

The AD stuff is kinda stupid

I’m completely fine with power growth, or high power growth in general, I just think it’s silly how characters become far more powerful in such a short time

 

[TMaakkonen]

Isnt real issue with AD the whole Classic Sonic shenanigans because Classic somehow keeps up with modern stuff? But as long as thats ignored its fine?