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I didn't even pay attention LMAOOOO.
But anywaws, Rexxar is yet another john warcraft who has a wall resistances...
That does not include soul hax.
How good is Rexy's danmaku dodging?
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5-B Planet Tiersetter Tournament Round 1 Match 3 (for real this time) : The Roaring Knight vs Rexxar (6-0-0)
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But anywaws, Rexxar is yet another john warcraft who has a wall resistances...
That does not include soul hax.
How good is Rexy's danmaku dodging?
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From my knowledge, most Deltarune enemies just.. hang there.
With Deltarune opponents having a set amount of HP and all that type of good stuff, I see Rexxy (or spirit I suppose) getting the first hit. Might as well go with Rexxy, low diff.
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No? She did eat plenty of hits from Gang, but after that fight, she took things more seriously, and started to actually dodge attacks with shapeshifting (but not spatial ones).
Arguments for tiersetter was that with SBA range(4 km) Khadgar would be able to kill her with AoE magic before she could come close, and ragdoll him with Class G TK+Danmaku(I will assume that Rexxar is Class Y, so this won't turn into utter stomp from the start).
What Rexxar does starts with, if he is opponent is hundred meters away?
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She only started dodging after being told in no uncertain terms "Oh, these people can actually do something to me, better be serious". She's not getting that. She's gonna see a ball of lightning get flung at her and die lmfao
Running in.
He doesn't have a bow here so... but Spirit comes in clutch with the range.
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No. Even if she folds Gang instantly in chapter 3, after this fight she still tries to dodge Busters from Susie, and use TK to fend off Gang from her.
And what she did against Undyne attacks, it's probably more illustrative of what she gonna do against opponent with unknown power level.
Does he(and Spirit) have good acrobatic/danmaku dodging feats? There is no scans of lightning attack looks, so I can't say how difficult it would be dodge it.
I assume that lightning would need to cross full distance between Rexxar and Knight. While Knight swords can spawn very close to target, so if it's "who hits first", Knight easily comes on top
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...did she not lose a chunk of her sword?
Ehhhh? Not sure.
If Danmaku is included in "have the army route then decide to **** off with no injury taken", sure. For the record dodging multiple firearms is possible in WoW,
Basically, Ball of lightning, about the size of four of your fists put together.
Rexxar can just see it coming, the guy upscales from people who just don't get hit when facing off against two whole ass Armies including AoE Magic, guns, arrows, being swarmed by beasts...
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Knight lose chunk of her sword only if you win battle against her. This sequence doesn't happens if you lose fight (but even Gang just gets oneshotted from the start, she still would dodge attacks from Gang and avoid them).
She didn't have intel on Undyne power level, but def had it on Gang(via being in kahoots with Kris, or oneshotting Tenna, while Gang struggles against him).
Should have expected this(btw, do you main anyone without skillslop, besides bunnies?)
Doesn't seems too hard to dodge
He won't get hit then. So Knight options are:
1. Final Attack, lift him into the air, and just swarm him with danmaku from all sides
2. Titan summoning
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Aren't no-hit runs canon...?
Fair nuff
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Yeh.
Ignore that it homes in-game I consider that a gameplay mechanic
And unfortunately she's unlikely to just Titan summon him, so she's gonna get Rexxar into melee and get ******* creamed.
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Come to think off, Knight behaviour in chapter 4 does makes more sense if she was humbles a bit in chapter 3 fight.
At least we agree that she would take fight somewhat serious, if she doesn't know how strong opponent is(ima be fr, Rexxar looks strong, so she prolly would think of him as strong).
Knight reacts pretty badly on anyone trying to close distance to her. This wall of danmaku was fired on someone she cooperates with(when they tried to come close), most people would experience undodgeable wall that consist of 5 meters by 2 meters swords much sooner.
Since Knight has chapter 4 mindset, she would summon likely fast than not.
And if he manages to hit her, but not kill(like for example, cut a limb or two), she def would run away (and Rexxar wouldn't be able to close off distance again, if she runs), and likely either:
Both of which are almost guaranteed win
Didn't expect whole list, thanks
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Yep
Well there's dealing with just Rexxar and then dealing with Rexxar, Misha, Leokk, Spirit, and Huffer. At the same time. And if Rexxar was given his other companions like I asked, add four wolves and a big ******' raven to that. And Spirit/Leokk in particular like to just jump a MFer from the sky while Rexxar is fighting. He's not exactly adverse to throwing an axe at Knight who lacks any Immortality to survive an axe phasing through her.
Like, Knight is going to have problems here thanks to... well, everything? Rexxar requires undodgeable attacks to even tag him or his beasts beyond Misha who's definitely hanging back or flanking, and Knight has to deal with getting overwhelmed from multiple angles when she really hasn't dealt with that before. It's always one direction not two or three. And even then there's nothing stopping Rexxar from jumping or dropping to the ground to avoid the attack
That's like... maybe a quarter of the list? If that? Point is, my skillmonsters might be what you see often, but I have other things that aren't skilled
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His companions doesn't seems to be too overwhelming (cracking ground doesn't help that much, smoke is useless against night vision, lightning is dangerous though, but seems pretty easy to dodge). And if they were overwhelming, it would just prompt her to summon Titan faster or trigger Final attack.
Dodging thrown axes from distance shouldn't be that difficult, since they are not much faster than Rexxar. And if it manages to hit, it would likely to hit limbs not vital points, like head (and people usually try to save their vital points when attacked). And I already outlined what happens if she gets hit but not killed
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I don't think you understand. Knight has Rexxar in one direction, Spirit in another, Huffer in another, Misha in another, and Leokk in another. Being surrounded by wild animals is NOT a fun time when either of the fliers can dive bomb in and gib which is in-character while Rexxar is basically being the beefy distraction. Remember: while Rexxar is fairly slow relatively speaking for the match, Leokk and Spirit are literally lightning fast and can just jump knight while she's busy throwing swords at the beefcake she knows she's fighting not his hanger-ons including big bird from Sesame Street
It won't be... if it was in a single direction that Papyrus has to worry about.
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At worst it forces Naruto to run out of his range. And again NARUTO IS GETTING SPEED DEBUFFED while Khadgar is getting SPEED BUFFED.
They don't need to be instant because Naruto has to punch through a ******* 5-10x mode durable shield while dodging anything and everything thrown at him.
Yeah that doesn't help with shit if you need to punch through a 10x more durable shield and speed debuffs.
Honestly just admit you wanted to remove Naruto because you know that while Khadgar stomps him, Naruto absolutely diddle-stomp neg diff assfucks Rexxar and you just don't want Rexxar to insta lose his first match.
"oh I'm sure hokage Naruto just stealth *****" and does what exactly? Get vaporized by an AOE attack? Naruto is going to stealthily punch Khadgar and it'd look like this
And then Naruto instantly goes
The only way stealth could possibly make Naruto win 51% of the time or more is if Khadgar just stood still, made no barriers, used no AOEs to clear out the field, and waited while Naruto somehow "sneakily" charged up the world's loudest attack which glows and causes wind to rapidly flow everywhere around Naruto, and used it as his starting move, which he never does.
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What she could use to beat enemies, that attack her from all sides:
1. Use this attack. It's area is pretty big, so it would kill enemies behind her too.
2. Surround herself with that circle of doom.
3. Use homing properties of this attack
4. Final attack, just collect all then together(besides flying ones) and just fry with duranegging bullets(ignores DEF and resist to her attacks from shadow mantle)
Flying ones have same speed as Knight, so it won't be that bad to deal with
(Don't tell that his companions have soloes army level of skillslop).
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Which, as I've already said, requires him to be hit. Naruto is way too skilled here man, I didn't write the mangas, nor did I write skillwank used for Naruto.
Which only happens if he is killed in a way on the level of or below High-Low... so... the head, heart, neck, disembowelment... yeah those are all instant wins. Unless Naruto just goes for the limbs in-character, he's not even gonna proc the resurrect. He's just gonna instant kill Khadgar.
Assuming he throws one up. And he has had multiple fights where he never did.
Greetings.
I replaced Thrall, someone who would gagglefuck stomp Naruto into the ground mercilessly, with Rexxar last minute, knowing Naruto, Kamen Rider, Ultra Series, Undertale, and God of Highschool were in the tournament. I do not care about winning or losing, and if I did, you'd be staring at this Haxlord Khadgar canonically beats that has a lovely tendency to just life drain mofos from across beaches and shit.
I am on record saying, before the match was even made, that Naruto supports would argue hom out of play, and you're complaining that I was right? You're complaining that all of your thoughts on Khadgar were misconceptions? That I have since cleared up? Like, it ain't uncommon for me to see something and call BS, or to even argue my own characters out of tournaments and providing a replacement that is later knocked out.
Naruto punches Khadgar, then goes back into stealth or throws a Rasengan. Or restrains the mage. Or like, anything Naruto can do in melee. Khadgar compared to Naruto is literally defenseless in melee, he's a medieval knight skill mage. Not UNSKILLED, but against any proper skill monster he might as well be."oh I'm sure hokage Naruto just stealth *****" and does what exactly? Get vaporized by an AOE attack? Naruto is going to stealthily punch Khadgar and it'd look like this
And then Naruto instantly goes
The only way stealth could possibly make Naruto win 51% of the time or more is if Khadgar just stood still, made no barriers, used no AOEs to clear out the field, and waited while Naruto somehow "sneakily" charged up the world's loudest attack which glows and causes wind to rapidly flow everywhere around Naruto, and used it as his starting move, which he never does.
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But at the same time 3-D environment allows both the Bird and Wyvern to potentially dodge.
Could also work, but 3-D still, plus, he'd probably use it to attack instead.
Could work too, but Rexxar's combat speed is still pretty decent so he can potentially handle it.
Yeah final Attack is instant win if Papyrus isn't killed outright.
True enough, but with everything else going on getting clipped is a real possibility.
Yes and no, they fight alongside Rexxar and whatnot, but his crowning bullshit is from a statement comparing him to other hunters and the time right after Haratha died. Misha definitely does(but tends to eat attacks thanks to being ******' huge) and Huffer might, while Leokk and Spirit are depicted as more evasive than Misha and Huffer. So flip a coin.
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Oh, and to just put the final nail in this coffin... do you think I'm some grand Metal Heroes fan? Me calling BS just happens, I'll probably have questions for Mira too, or hell Mavuika might cause a problem, I'm not exactly out here to win, I doubt that's gonna happen cause in case ya didn't notice, Rexxar has like a third of the resistance wall Green Jesus has so someone's just gonna dura neg his ass out, and frankly it's nearly happening here cause Qur is arguing pretty damn well for Knight.
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Slow isn't said to move, it just halfs a nearby opponents speed.
And even if Naruto was too hard to hit that just puts them in a 50/50 standstill since Naruto can't damage Khadgar or get near without the risk of a one shot but Khadgar can't land a hit. At which point I find that 1% to be on Khadgars side because Khadgar can actually replenish his stamina while if Naruto tries spamming large scale jutsu to get through the barriers he'll just tire out and go to base.
It's not really about what Naruto hits but what he manages to hit given he has to overcome a 5-10x shield and then a 5-10x dura diff without Khadgar either nuking him with AOE or teleporting away and resetting all of Nards progress.
This is so funny because the tier setter thread literally notes him as focusing on using barriers and not getting hit but now when it's no longer favorable he actually might not even use barriers?
Extraordinary genius but too stupid to pull up one of his 50 barriers
You suggesting a character that would stomp basically the entire tourney means you DON'T care about winning?
And you suggested someone who can "gagglefuck stomp Naruto" but Naruto himself is too strong? I mean let's be so fr
No, I'm complaining that you were not right lmao.
And fym "misconceptions"? You just tried arguing that Khadgar won't even use the thing the tourney thread said he mainly focuses on. It's not a misconception you're just shifting what Khadgar does to fit your narrative here.
And speaking of misconceptions your main reason why Naruto dura negs was his 1 and only duraneg in character - rasen shuriken. But that you completely missed that it only duranegs CELLS and meaning any barrier or counter attack that's not just a punch will negate the attack completely. And since I cleared that up what exactly was the argument for why Naruto not only wins but stomps?
No, Naruto punches Khadgar and will try to punch him again or use a rasengan which can't harm Khadgar.
And do what? Get his hands pulverized by a 5-10x superior attack from Khadgar?
Which literally can't even scratch Khadgar because he's, depending on the key, 5 or 10x weaker than Khadgar. The only option is a rasen shuriken directly into Khadgars face where ANY barrier just negates the duraneg aspect and makes Khadgar tank the attack again.
Yeah but he's 10x stronger and MUCH more versatile with AOE attacks which are like the perfect counter for hard to hit characters.
Like if this was posted as an individual thread I'd unironically argue it's a stomp in Khadgars favor because unless this extraordinary genius is stupid enough to just stands still and let himself get hit by a giant glowing loud attack, Naruto literally doesn't even have a win con.
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sigh...
When you read three full-length novels, listen to a full over hour long audio book, several comics, and obsessively research every detail of four entire ass expansions of an MMO with more content than you'll ever play, then you can sit here and tell me what Khadgar can and cannot do or handle. He beats Thrall because his magic is just better than what a guy comparable to someone piss-pants terrified of a mage LESSER to Khadgar can take. That's the reason. Thrall=Aspect of Earth/Death Deathwing<Medivh<Khadgar.
See you in two months if you go through with it. End of discussion. Scream into the void.
When you read three full-length novels, listen to a full over hour long audio book, several comics, and obsessively research every detail of four entire ass expansions of an MMO with more content than you'll ever play, then you can sit here and tell me what Khadgar can and cannot do or handle. He beats Thrall because his magic is just better than what a guy comparable to someone piss-pants terrified of a mage LESSER to Khadgar can take. That's the reason. Thrall=Aspect of Earth/Death Deathwing<Medivh<Khadgar.
See you in two months if you go through with it. End of discussion. Scream into the void.
Also, Khadgar is 7-A in physical AP.
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I am sure we do treat danmaku from 2D Bullet hell games as being 3D in reality(and if we didn't, it would just increase chances of Knight using Final Attack from the start).
They are mostly meant to get rid off companions.
Them being as skilled as Rexxar in dodging would certainly increase their chances of doing fatal hit. But won't guarantee win by any means. It's pretty obvious what Knight would do after seeing some boar cosplaying Touhou fairy, and it wouldn't be pretty for Rexxar and his party.
In conclusion, Rexxar and party need to fatally kill Knight in one hit, before she inevitably uses Final Attack. And it would require precise attack to the head(hardest organ to hit, and ones most people try to guard from attacks). Cut the limb of the Knight? Berdly after getting his hand fried and all energy absorbed, managed to collect big group of Darkners, save Gang from death and create Mecha. Knight is at similar level, and she just needs to runs away and summon some swords to summon Titans to guarantee win if she lose her limb. Hit the chest? Her chest is empty, axe going through it won't lower her combat effectiveness to the level where she is no longer able to run away and summon swords(which can be done via thought)
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...hm...
Yeah, frankly I'm going with Knight, extreme diff. AoE and dodging is good for a fight like this.
Yeah, frankly I'm going with Knight, extreme diff. AoE and dodging is good for a fight like this.
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When you read 700 chapters, watch 700+ episodes, read additional 120 twice as long chapters of the sequel, watch 2 movies, and read like 5 novels and 5 databooks, then can sit here and yell mr what Naruto can and cannot handle.
See how silly that sounds? You don't hold a monopoly over who a character can beat just because you think you're knowledgeable on them, that's literally what the profiles are for here.
You can't muster up even a hint of an argument for how Naruto gets past his barriers so you just try to pretend you have some authority over who Naruto can beat? That's just silly man.
But 590 Zettatons in durability. Noone is saying Khadgar is punching Naruto to death but that he's using one of his trillion spells a third of which seem to be AOE to do Naruto in.
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How about "I'm tired of the argument, He's already out, and both you and his original supporter didn't convince me in several hours of argument"?
I am not required to sit there and deal with this, David. I like arguing, but are you ever going to be convinced? No. If I didn't convince you in several posts, and you didn't convince me in several posts, then it's just repeating points. What, you want me to go "You're wrong on X, (explanation)" for the fiftieth time? Some things I went over before?
...Khadgar has a grant total of...! 0 thought-based offensive spells. Or thought-based teleportation. Or really anything to stop a defenseless mage in melee to not be a defenseless mage in melee.
So, again, scream into the void. I am by no means required to deal with every little thing when I have better things to do than this. If you don't like that ruling, take it up with the big guy I'm just the Khadgar person, not the one running the tournament. Or prepare arguments for Mira.
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Are you still sticking to your vote?
Reaper is now voting for Knight(extreme diff). Or you have new arguments for Rexxar?
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I will be keeping RK here, since Naruto unfortunately infringes on the 51% loss rate. David does put up good points, and I would've let him in if it were how tiersetters are normally done, but the args point to an evenly matched fight, which means that losing to Khadgar would be at most 50%, which isn't the point of this specific tiersetter.
Also bump.
Also bump.
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Also since Reaps has voted for his opposition, I will have RK advance in the tourney. 7 votes for RK must be there to add this into the profiles, however.
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Bump.
And put my vote
And put my vote
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Bump
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Botes updated and RK FRA
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And that's the grace.
I will add match to profiles after it ends
I will add match to profiles after it ends
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