Yeah I'm going to be honest, that's kid stuff in Yakuza. Even your regular ass mooks in the coliseum have
"unparalleled skill in every field of combat", and they're nothing compared to actually named characters. Kiryu can come up with entirely new techniques on the fly just by watching people be dumb and do stupid things, and can completely learn fighting styles just by watching someone perform said fighting styles. This basic Akido you speak of? It's not just Gun's anymore, it's Gun's AND Kiryu's. Not to mention Kiryu has fought through entire military forces without breaking a sweat, so you know their asses are skilled.
Well, it's really nothing Gun hasn't already faced. Gun faced three people more talented than him, with the ability to copy and comparable to him, fighting one after the other without rest, and he won them all. The first was his disciple Daniel, whom Gun literally considers his masterpiece even after training other genius fighters with different abilities and legendary genetics, and yet he still beat him with little effort. Next was Johan (whom he faced with a broken arm btw), who not only has the ability to copy fighting styles just by seeing them once and improve upon them, but could literally force his own body to the point of replicating Daniel UI's body. The latter is considered a monster, constantly compared to a martial arts machine capable of trampling all the aforementioned fighters by adapting and copying perfectly, and yet Gun defeated him even in his base form, injured, and still outmatched in skill and stats, since Daniel had previously adapted to Gun in his True UI state.
Gun is declared more talented than Shingen Yamazaki, who was considered a threat that even the military couldn't stop. He even has the feat of defeating people with militarized fighting styles. Johan copied one of those styles, specifically CQC, from a former North Korean secret agent and perfected it to use against Gun. Gun literally just knocked him out and dominated him when he used that style.
And that's not talking about Joe Amon. Jo Amon is proooobably Kiryu's longest lasting enemy, they've practically been in conflict every time Kiryu's been out on the streets of Kamuro until after Y6. Ya see Jo here is crazy, pretty much insane, and just like Kiryu he can learn fighting styles instantly by watching people. Jo was still pretty much nothing to Kiryu, and ended up creating his own version of the IF7, which lets him take the experience of every fighter he's fought and slaughtered (which is a whole lot when you know that he's fought martial arts masters around the world), and yet despite having all this battle experience put into his brain, yet again he is nothing compared to Kiryu.
Gun is hailed as a genius even by pre-generation fighters, people with numerous military-related feats, members of mafia gangs with martial arts masters, and even world-class Olympic wrestlers. He himself has even mocked Johan and his copying abilities, despite openly acknowledging that he is the most talented of his generation.
You're gonna have to be less vague on that. Even then stuff like Extreme Heat Mode and Dragon's Resurgence can and will let Kiryu tank attacks that have bodied him before, as said above it gives him a form of invulnerability, and it massively amps his power to heights that lets him obliterate the health of his enemies. And as much as the fanbase jokes about it, yes, he will kill if necessary. Gun having high endurance isn't going to mean squat when Kiryu starts grinding his face against the pavement, crushes his head against the wall, or hell even throwing Gun into the subway tracks if you wanna go that far.
To be more specific, and naming most of the lacerations he suffered and endured tirelessly by constantly fighting: A broken arm with a protruding bone, a deep cut on his neck and foot, a stab wound to the chest centimeters from his heart, he was hit by pressure point attacks, he was blinded in one eye reduced to a blood pulp, he suffered numerous scratches all over his body and massive contusions that reduced him to a blood pulp, he fell from high cliffs and still kept moving until he covered several hundred meters fighting with more people comparable to him.
(btw Aikido is a real fighting style, so Gun having it is uh, is not really that insane of a feat?).
Ik but in the verse it is portrayed VERY differently to irl, turning even the most commemorative martial art into a real and efficient martial art; the guy used it to cancel the attacks of several people at the same time lol.
I mean, I didn’t actually mention experience throughout this thread, did I? I’m trying my best to avoid that actually. And the point is that he isn’t just fighting people with supernatural and wacky powers, he’s fighting master martial artists with supernatural and wacky powers. And “master martial artists” here means they can casually pull off some nasty BS like copying others’ whole characterization in combat, or slaughtering past opponents and absorbing their skills, you name it. Folks in Yakuza can master not just multiple martial arts but even arts from all over the world, and I’m telling you, they’re not very close to being high tier (btw Aikido is a real fighting style, so Gun having it is uh, is not really that insane of a feat?).
Mind if I hear more about that AnPr scaling chain? Because the earliest feat of Kiryu’s AnPr is when he sees at least 4 to 5 steps ahead to tag Mr Try and Hit Me, and that’s back in Y3. He later bested guys who stated they had 'transcended' that level of capability. Or, yk, prime Mizorogi being able to adjust on the fly and knowing million ways to deal with his foe, and a green Ugajin outpredicting and adapting to that guy, and that’s two whole decades before Kiryu beat up Ugajin.
In this verse, there are fighters capable of fighting instinctively and unpredictably in an unconscious state called Ultra Instinct. The Yamazaki Clan's Ultra Instinct users surpass the average user, as seen in Shingen. Gun, even in his younger years, was considered more talented than one of the pinnacles of the pre-generation—his own father—and currently surpasses that version of himself by a wide margin. He is also capable of fighting and defeating Daniel Ui, who is portrayed as a machine with movements from all martial arts. We must also add the fact that he can face Johan's CQC without problems, a fighting style designed to predict and counter the opponent on a mental radar of several meters.
And as I mentioned previously, Gun can fight people capable of copying fighting styles by seeing them for the first time with a single movement.
I have no idea what you meant by "even in terms of skill". But honestly given how quickly Kiryu is going to become the much better fighter, moves that simply won’t let him die and other shenanigans- becoming stronger and ignoring pain don’t hide the fact that he can still die? Additionally, Kiryu’s amps are far more beneficial since Heat is piss easy to build up, and he can use it in more versatile ways, like more healing or speed amps that can statue people. I don’t doubt Gun’s endurance is better than Kiryu’s, but him having that and also fighting evenly with other speed-increased goons in his verse doesn’t stop Kiryu’s own from being advantageous. Besides Kiryu absolutely has enough stamina to go a second round with Gun so there's that.
Gun's endurance isn't limitless, nor does it completely eliminate the possibility of death; it merely reduces it significantly, considering how much he can survive and remain alive. Furthermore, he can continue using parts of his body even when they have deteriorated and reached biomechanical failure.
Gun doesn't have many of Kiryu's supernatural advantages, but he can actually handle several of them without being overwhelmed. The guy is a sadomasochist who has fought stronger and more talented people than him and has survived brutal beatings.
Besides Kiryu absolutely has enough stamina to go a second round with Gun so there's that.
True UI's state is practically a separate personality from Gun, or rather it eliminates him. It's hard to explain, but imagine it's a clean slate for everything Kiryu previously experienced fighting with base Gun. He has a fighting style with very different patterns that, while conscious, is more brutal, but at the same time he learns and responds strategically to everything.
). Regarding Kiryu's copying ability, I just wanted to emphasize that it's something Gun has already faced, and besides, accuracy isn't really relevant here unless weapons are involved, unless I'm missing something and Kiryu can perform an infinite combo solely with his accuracy.
