5-B Planet Tiersetter Tournament Round 1 Match 3 (for real this time) : The Roaring Knight vs Rexxar (6-0-0)

[Shadowslash125]

Arena

• Via SBA, Central Park.

• Starting Distance will be based on SBA. In this case 100 meters due to both combatants having it as their max range of attack.

Match Conditions

• Speed is equalized by default, but may remain unequalized if one character can mitigate the speed gap (e.g., through passives, resistances, durability advantages, etc.).
• Matches will use SBA unless specified otherwise.
• Rules are subject to changes on a per-match basis to make them fairer or more interesting
• Wincon is via incapacitation or death
• Combatants are allowed to magically view the other previous matches in-universe, except for the initial tiersetter match (hence, this only becomes effective from the quarter-finals onwards)

Match Rules

• 3 days are given to both participating users to debate. Regardless of circumstances, I will decree the outcome of the match after the 3 days for the sake of the tourney's pacing. While they may/may not be added to the profiles, further votes can be given so that these matches are eligible to be added to the respective character's profiles
  
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• Inconclusive matches are also subject to the above rule, but I will issue a coin flip to decide who advances (unless the votes have a 3-4 vote difference, at which it is completely subject to the first rule instead)

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The Roaring Knight (Upscales 6.3 MT)	Rexxar (594.4 ZT)	Beasts of Burden
6 (@DaReaperMan, @Psychomaster35. @Qurbonboev, @Poketmonsrs, @LittleGuy99,@Shadowslash125)	-	-

 

[Thunderman101]

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[DaReaperMan]

I'll preface this by saying that I fully expect Naruto supports to argue some shit like ten thousand Shadow Clones spamming Rasengans and failing to answer "Okay so how does Khadgar win, again?"

The problem Naruto instantly has is that if he fails to dodge even one attack here, he's deader than ****. Spirit has the range to hit from SBA, so while Rexxar and Naruto are running to Melee, Sprit is throwing shit at him. Rexxar in melee also has Class Y LS so even if he didn't gib Naruto one way, he'd gib him another.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

I'll preface this by saying that I fully expect Naruto supports to argue some shit like ten thousand Shadow Clones spamming Rasengans and failing to answer "Okay so how does Khadgar win, again?"

Whoa ten thousand clones are a bit much, he can casually do a thousand and that’s the highest his gone, also Khader has time hax which nard has no resistance to so….

The problem Naruto instantly has is that if he fails to dodge even one attack here, he's deader than ****.

That’s not a problem with Kurama sensing and sage mode sensing. To give you an idea of how potent this is. Nard alone can keep up with the sharingans analytical predictions of every stage with

One tome (stage one): allows its user to dodge a rain of iron balls and a danmaku of kunai

Two tome (second stage): combines the first stage and allows its user to flawlessly counter anything

Three tome (third stage): combines the previous two stages and give glimpses of the future

And this is before any predictions ability of his own that are stacked ontop of one another. So him getting hit is a very very very big if.

Spirit has the range to hit from SBA, so while Rexxar and Naruto are running to Melee, Sprit is throwing shit at him. Rexxar in melee also has Class Y LS so even if he didn't gib Naruto one way, he'd gib him another.

So does nard, not that it matters as he would see/sense everything from this distance using clairvoyance or one of the 2 sensory abilities and use TSO to EE or powernull all attacks. Furthermore he can just fly and snipe using a danmaku of thousands of kilometers size aoe attacks with cellular durability neg, stealth around and EE, Seal him (layered btw), etc.

LS is also not a big deal as nard can just substitute himself out of that situation. I would also like to point out that nard has Limited Invulnerability here, so any magic based attacks are not gonna work on him unless they are imbued with nature energy. Also nard has speed amps that straight up blitz.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Whoa ten thousand clones are a bit much, he can casually do a thousand and that’s the highest his gone, also Khader has time hax which nard has no resistance to so….

Time hax that is useless in combat or drains so much mana it isn't funny.

That’s not a problem with Kurama sensing and sage mode sensing. To give you an idea of how potent this is. Nard alone can keep up with the sharingans analytical predictions of every stage with

One tome (stage one): allows its user to dodge a rain of iron balls and a danmaku of kunai

Two tome (second stage): combines the first stage and allows its user to flawlessly counter anything

Three tome (third stage): combines the previous two stages and give glimpses of the future

And this is before any predictions ability of his own that are stacked ontop of one another. So him getting hit is a very very very big if.

So does nard, not that it matters as he would see/sense everything from this distance using clairvoyance or one of the 2 sensory abilities and use TSO to EE or powernull all attacks. Furthermore he can just fly and snipe using a danmaku of thousands of kilometers size aoe attacks with cellular durability neg, stealth around and EE, Seal him (layered btw), etc.

LS is also not a big deal as nard can just substitute himself out of that situation. I would also like to point out that nard has Limited Invulnerability here, so any magic based attacks are not gonna work on him unless they are imbued with nature energy. Also nard has speed amps that straight up blitz.

And oh look you're instantly in deep shit cause countering anything includes any and all of Khadgar's options for ending the fight quickly. And the Invulnerability also nukes that.

 

[Thunderman101]

Time hax that is useless in combat or drains so much mana it isn't funny.

And oh look you're instantly in deep shit cause countering anything includes any and all of Khadgar's options for ending the fight quickly. And the Invulnerability also nukes that.

Sosp ee orbs?

 

[DavidTPPM]

I'll preface this by saying that I fully expect Naruto supports to argue some shit like ten thousand Shadow Clones spamming Rasengans and failing to answer "Okay so how does Khadgar win, again?"

This is honestly partially why I was surprised Narutos war arc key was allowed instead of his hokage key. Since this key not only allows TSO but is also WAAAAAYYYYY more spammy with things like clones and large scale rasengans.

Meanwhile hokage Naruto both doesn't have TSO and is a lot more composed, only using large scale ninjutsu to counter other large scale attacks or in case the opponent cannot be damaged otherwise.

That being said I personally didn't think about WA Naruto vs Khadgar since I didn't suggest him and it wasn't questioned much before so idk, maybe he can beat WA Nard too.

The problem Naruto instantly has is that if he fails to dodge even one attack here, he's deader than ****.

So for this I actually wouldn't necessarily say so. Naruto has exactly a 10x disadvantage physically (give or take few %) and regeneration. So while a direct blow is definitely cutting through him, depending on the nature of the attack it can still be within the scope of regeneration.

Spirit has the range to hit from SBA, so while Rexxar and Naruto are running to Melee, Sprit is throwing shit at him.

If Naruto were to be in a number disadvantage he'd use clones to cancel it out - that's exactly what he did to stall Madaras invisible clones.
So Nard probably sends clones for the animal companions and fights Rexxar himself.

Rexxar in melee also has Class Y LS so even if he didn't gib Naruto one way, he'd gib him another.

Nard would probably long distance camp and farm nature energy to then nuke Rexxar given he should sense the massive 10x gap in stats. Either that or try to abuse the shockingly unrestricted TSO

 

[DavidTPPM]

Also the invulnerability is lame af, Alt is just a goon

 

[DaReaperMan]

This is honestly partially why I was surprised Narutos war arc key was allowed instead of his hokage key. Since this key not only allows TSO but is also WAAAAAYYYYY more spammy with things like clones and large scale rasengans.

Meanwhile hokage Naruto both doesn't have TSO and is a lot more composed, only using large scale ninjutsu to counter other large scale attacks or in case the opponent cannot be damaged otherwise.

I don't know does Hokage have God amps, broken IA, and potential invulnerability?

Because any of the above instantly puts him out of range of Khadgar beating him.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Also...

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Time hax that is useless in combat or drains so much mana it isn't funny.

What can I say, it’s a insta stomp ability, it’s not like nard has a rinnegan and limbo clones (which exists in a parallel dimension that’s overlayed ontop of the main universe) which he can direct using his eyes…

And oh look you're instantly in deep shit cause countering anything includes any and all of Khadgar's options for ending the fight quickly. And the Invulnerability also nukes that.

Also the invulnerability is lame af, Alt is just a goon

 

[DavidTPPM]

I don't know does Hokage have God amps,

Depends on what you mean by God amps. He's twice as strong (unless you restrict him to regular sage mode in which case he's just upscaling from the current 55 Zettatons) and has rasengan variants which are a 2x amp and then upscale from that.
The only way he gets even close to 550 Zettatons is with Ashura avatar (and even that's only 300ish Zettatons) which takes prep and isn't really in-character for him to use.

For speed he only has the standard Nard verse shunshin shenanigans and Kurama avatar which while faster than his base, doesn't have any higher value on paper and makes him a massive target so it kinda balances out.

So TLDR; I don't think so but I'm not sure what you'd personally consider god amps.

broken IA,

IA? Narutos instinctive action sucks ass. It helps against precog but that's literally it. It's not the "avoids an attack without thinking about it" kind.

and potential invulnerability?

Technically but like I said it's ass. It only works on abilities that can be equalized to chakra but can't be equalized with nature energy.

So it's that he's invulnerable to any energy based attack but specifically something equalizable to the combination of spiritual/mental energy and physical stamina while also not having any nature energy within it. So any purely physical attacks, nature based attacks, or any energy based attacks that have nothing to do with soul or anything with nature energy work no problemo

So I doubt it actually matters unless you get super unlucky and have a power system that just so happens to fit chakra and at the same time not senjutsu

 

[Kaydee1648]

So what’s Roxane doing to TSO or FRS

 

[DaReaperMan]

What can say, it’s a insta stomp ability, it’s not like nard has a rinnegan and limbo clones (which exists in a parallel dimension that’s overlayed ontop of the main universe) which he can direct using his eyes…

I mean it's literally just personal time reversal and a time stop that has an insane mana cost even Khadgar can't comfortably pay

Depends on what you mean by God amps. He's twice as strong (unless you restrict him to regular sage mode in which case he's just upscaling from the current 55 Zettatons) and has rasengan variants which are a 2x amp and then upscale from that.
The only way he gets even close to 550 Zettatons is with Ashura avatar (and even that's only 300ish Zettatons) which takes prep and isn't really in-character for him to use.

For speed he only has the standard Nard verse shunshin shenanigans and Kurama avatar which while faster than his base, doesn't have any higher value on paper and makes him a massive target so it kinda balances out.

So TLDR; I don't think so but I'm not sure what you'd personally consider god amps.

IA? Narutos instinctive action sucks ass. It helps against precog but that's literally it. It's not the "avoids an attack without thinking about it" kind.

If it's "I can counter basically anything", then yeah.

Technically but like I said it's ass. It only works on abilities that can be equalized to chakra but can't be equalized with nature energy.

So it's that he's invulnerable to any energy based attack but specifically something equalizable to the combination of spiritual/mental energy and physical stamina while also not having any nature energy within it. So any purely physical attacks, nature based attacks, or any energy based attacks that have nothing to do with soul or anything with nature energy work no problemo

So I doubt it actually matters unless you get super unlucky and have a power system that just so happens to fit chakra and at the same time not senjutsu

Well, Arcane is basically Order condensed into energy, different from nature, but inherently on that side of the cosmology tree. Then this turns into what you'd call magic.

So what’s Roxane doing to TSO or FRS

The correct question is "What is Khadgar doing to TSO or FRS"

 

[DavidTPPM]

If it's "I can counter basically anything", then yeah.

Uhh then no. All of Narutos "God amps" are basically:

• Ball energy (that hits unquantifiably harder than physicals)
• 2 balls of energy
• Bigger or fancier balls of energy (that hit 2x harder)
• A fancy ball of energy with blades that cut cells if they hit you
• A bigass ******* fox kaiju (that's unquantifiably stronger physicals)

Well, Arcane is basically Order condensed into energy, different from nature, but inherently on that side of the cosmology tree. Then this turns into what you'd call magic.

I'm not 100% sure if that'd be equalized to nature energy but I'm also 99% sure that wouldn't be equalized with chakra either so I don't think invulnerability does anything here.

The correct question is "What is Khadgar doing to FRS"

FRS is just a throwable ball of energy (and wind) that hits unquantifiably above 2x Narutos physical stats and cuts on a cellular level. Very dangerous if hit directly, very inconsequential if you can just use a sufficiently durable non bio defense.

Nard can add shit like lava to it but I heavily doubt the heat of lava is going to be enough to disqualify someone

 

[DaReaperMan]

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One, ten, or a thousand. Khadgar can't beat Naruto quickly, since if I'm not mistaken Naruto can judge dodge all of his spells. At that point, there's no hope in hell.

 

[DavidTPPM]

One, ten, or a thousand. Khadgar can't beat Naruto quickly, since if I'm not mistaken Naruto can judge dodge all of his spells. At that point, there's no hope in hell.

Then just use Naruto after he lost Kurama. Weakens his precog, restricts him to 55ish Zettatons, takes away clone spam (or at least heavily restricts it from 2000 to 2-5 in character), nerfs ninjutsu spam since sage mode has a lot more limited stamina, and removes combat applicable regeneration.

Then he pretty much can't do shit to get through Khadgars shields and while he still has a solid precog his stamina limitations, lack of flight, and lack of wide range attacks make him much easier to hit with spell spam and especially time stop. Which without regen is a guaranteed win.

Although I don't see how 6 paths Nard isn't just getting time stop + head shot AP gapped by Khadgar, kuramaless Naruto is basically getting steamrolled by Khadgar

 

[DaReaperMan]

Then just use Naruto after he lost Kurama. Weakens his precog, restricts him to 55ish Zettatons, takes away clone spam (or at least heavily restricts it from 2000 to 2-5 in character), nerfs ninjutsu spam since sage mode has a lot more limited stamina, and removes combat applicable regeneration.

Then he pretty much can't do shit to get through Khadgars shields and while he still has a solid precog his stamina limitations, lack of flight, and lack of wide range attacks make him much easier to hit with spell spam and especially time stop. Which without regen is a guaranteed win.

Although I don't see how 6 paths Nard isn't just getting time stop + head shot AP gapped by Khadgar, kuramaless Naruto is basically getting steamrolled by Khadgar

Khadgar does not open with Time Stop. At all. Like I said, it's a MASSIVE mana sink to use.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Khadgar does not open with Time Stop. At all. Like I said, it's a MASSIVE mana sink to use.

I mean sure but if the problem was that he can one hit Naruto but can't seem to hit him no matter what he does, time stopping him for a split second and sending a blast through his skull should be on the table right?

Like I said post Kurama loss SM Naruto probably gets slammed by Khadgar even without time stop so he shouldn't be a problem, but do you really think Khadgar using something listed under "often used abilities" for a guaranteed one shot is more likely than Naruto avoiding ALL of his attacks for long enough to close a 4km distance and overcome a 10x AP difference?

Maybe if he had to fight someone after Naruto or if Naruto didn't literally insta die to any attack to the face I could understand, but like this it just looks like there's a very easy "often used" insta win option for Khadgar and you're saying Khadgar would more likely choose to literally die against someone 10x weaker than to use "a lot of mana".

 

[DaReaperMan]

I mean sure but if the problem was that he can one hit Naruto but can't seem to hit him no matter what he does, time stopping him for a split second and sending a blast through his skull should be on the table right?

Like I said post Kurama loss SM Naruto probably gets slammed by Khadgar even without time stop so he shouldn't be a problem, but do you really think Khadgar using something listed under "often used abilities" for a guaranteed one shot is more likely than Naruto avoiding ALL of his attacks for long enough to close a 4km distance and overcome a 10x AP difference?

Maybe if he had to fight someone after Naruto or if Naruto didn't literally insta die to any attack to the face I could understand, but like this it just looks like there's a very easy "often used" insta win option for Khadgar and you're saying Khadgar would more likely choose to literally die against someone 10x weaker than to use "a lot of mana".

David. Mate. To put Time Lock into persepctive, it drains someone powered by SEVERAL LEYLINES OF ARCANE ENERGY to use. Khadgar might not even be able to cast it in central Park without drawing on a Leyline, which takes too long. Do you understand?

 

[DavidTPPM]

David. Mate. To put Time Lock into persepctive, it drains someone powered by SEVERAL LEYLINES OF ARCANE ENERGY to use. Khadgar might not even be able to cast it in central Park without drawing on a Leyline, which takes too long. Do you understand?

Okay?
And Naruto has to cover 4 kilometers while perfectly avoiding every single attack because even a single direct blow to the head or a large enough blow to the body is one-shotting him.
He also has to somehow overcome a huge 10x difference in stats to even get past Khadgars shields and attacks which also means any long range attacks gets destroyed by Khadgar just shooting his own into it.

And to make matters even worse he still has to deal with his other spells. Like Khadgar slowing him down by 50%.
Or Khadgar dealing damage to anything in a 10 yard range for 12 straight seconds which forces Naruto to run away or get one shotted.
Or Khadgar using 14 yard wide AOE that also slows Naruto down by 70% even if he were to escape far enough to barely survive it.
Or Khadgar boosting his own speed by 30%.
Or Khadgar teleporting away from Narutos cqc range.
Or the fact that even if Naruto does fatal damage it will literally heal Khadgar to 35% and boost his speed by additional 150%.


Honestly the more I'm reading his profile the more I'm convinced he's beating hokage Narutos ass without any real problems and I'm starting to doubt if WA Narutos AOE spam and TSO are even enough to save him from this.

Like genuinely wtf is Nard doing when Khadgar boosts his speed by 30%, slows Naruto down by 50%, and nukes the surrounding 14 yard area with one shot levels of damage? Like even if he somehow survives that he's now slowed down by additional 70% and heavily damaged. And you're telling me Naruto is not only winning this 50% or times, but that he's doing so with such ease that Khadgar won't even have time to prepare a single time stop for a single moment that's necessary to land an insta win attack?

 

[Thunderman101]

Okay?
And Naruto has to cover 4 kilometers while perfectly avoiding every single attack because even a single direct blow to the head or a large enough blow to the body is one-shotting him.
He also has to somehow overcome a huge 10x difference in stats to even get past Khadgars shields and attacks which also means any long range attacks gets destroyed by Khadgar just shooting his own into it.

And to make matters even worse he still has to deal with his other spells. Like Khadgar slowing him down by 50%.
Or Khadgar dealing damage to anything in a 10 yard range for 12 straight seconds which forces Naruto to run away or get one shotted.
Or Khadgar using 14 yard wide AOE that also slows Naruto down by 70% even if he were to escape far enough to barely survive it.
Or Khadgar boosting his own speed by 30%.
Or Khadgar teleporting away from Narutos cqc range.
Or the fact that even if Naruto does fatal damage it will literally heal Khadgar to 35% and boost his speed by additional 150%.


Honestly the more I'm reading his profile the more I'm convinced he's beating hokage Narutos ass without any real problems and I'm starting to doubt if WA Narutos AOE spam and TSO are even enough to save him from this.

Like genuinely wtf is Nard doing when Khadgar boosts his speed by 30%, slows Naruto down by 50%, and nukes the surrounding 14 yard area with one shot levels of damage? Like even if he somehow survives that he's now slowed down by additional 70% and heavily damaged. And you're telling me Naruto is not only winning this 50% or times, but that he's doing so with such ease that Khadgar won't even have time to prepare a single time stop for a single moment that's necessary to land an insta win attack?

He’s supposed to win

Duh

 

[DaReaperMan]

Okay?
And Naruto has to cover 4 kilometers while perfectly avoiding every single attack because even a single direct blow to the head or a large enough blow to the body is one-shotting him.
He also has to somehow overcome a huge 10x difference in stats to even get past Khadgars shields and attacks which also means any long range attacks gets destroyed by Khadgar just shooting his own into it.

Throwing several people capable of throwing shurikens that shred matter is enough to beat him when he can land 0 hits. Barriers don't help against dura neg attacks.

And to make matters even worse he still has to deal with his other spells. Like Khadgar slowing him down by 50%.
Or Khadgar dealing damage to anything in a 10 yard range for 12 straight seconds which forces Naruto to run away or get one shotted.
Or Khadgar using 14 yard wide AOE that also slows Naruto down by 70% even if he were to escape far enough to barely survive it.
Or Khadgar boosting his own speed by 30%.
Or Khadgar teleporting away from Narutos cqc range.
Or the fact that even if Naruto does fatal damage it will literally heal Khadgar to 35% and boost his speed by additional 150%.

Which doesn't help if Khadgar has his head taken off with the force of dura neg. He can't survive being blasted through the chest, he can't do anything above High-Low regen. Khadgar has no way of dealing with getting zerged by people he can't hit, are faster than him, skillstomp the entire verse, etcetera.

Khadgar does not have a set standard move or standard tactic for the most part. That does not mean he will string together the perfect combo, or that he will know everything of how to beat the opponent.

Honestly the more I'm reading his profile the more I'm convinced he's beating hokage Narutos ass without any real problems and I'm starting to doubt if WA Narutos AOE spam and TSO are even enough to save him from this.

Like genuinely wtf is Nard doing when Khadgar boosts his speed by 30%, slows Naruto down by 50%, and nukes the surrounding 14 yard area with one shot levels of damage? Like even if he somehow survives that he's now slowed down by additional 70% and heavily damaged. And you're telling me Naruto is not only winning this 50% or times, but that he's doing so with such ease that Khadgar won't even have time to prepare a single time stop for a single moment that's necessary to land an insta win attack?

Want to see Khadgar immediately after doing this "Time Stop" after doing some casting?

He cannot throw magic nukes that require multiple leylines of energy. SBA does not put him in a location where he can just do that without severe consequences or just straight up immediately running out of mana. There is a difference between his fireballs and Siphoning the magic of a continent THE SIZE OF AUSTRALIA to cast Time Stop once. And then needing to recharge.

It's like saying a hax Naruto can do if given half the chakra on the planet is usable by his base form. Khadgar basically cannot use it by SBA, not without major consequences he'd only deal with if he was about to lose, and by the time that'd happen he'd already be dead beyond what he can recover from.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Throwing several people capable of throwing shurikens that shred matter is enough to beat him when he can land 0 hits. Barriers don't help against dura neg attacks.

The shurikens are significantly below his barriers durability and attack CELLS so unless his barriers are made out of flesh they don't dura neg them whatsoever. That's why it's listed as LIMITED duraneg.

He can't survive being blasted through the chest, he can't do anything above High-Low regen. Khadgar has no way of dealing with getting zerged by people he can't hit, are faster than him, skillstomp the entire verse, etcetera.

Which is fine because being good at dodging isn't saving you from AOE attacks. Especially when the opponent can teleport and slow you down.

Khadgar does not have a set standard move or standard tactic for the most part. That does not mean he will string together the perfect combo, or that he will know everything of how to beat the opponent.

He doesn't need to. He has a TON of attacks with wide AOE.
And given he's an extraordinary genius, I really don't think using AOE and slow debuff/speed buff spells to hit a hard to tag opponent is beyond his intellectual capacity lol.

You don't need to be a genius to figure out that using faster attacks with wider range against slower targets makes them easier to hit. I figured out wider range attacks make hitting people easier when I was 5 and used a book to kill a fly lmao

Want to see Khadgar immediately after doing this "Time Stop" after doing some casting?

He cannot throw magic nukes that require multiple leylines of energy.

He has spells that amp his mana regen by up to 750%. If even that isn't enough to use time stop for a single second then it should probably be noted with big bold letters in his weakness section because at that point he effectively doesn't even have that ability.

It's like saying a hax Naruto can do if given half the chakra on the planet is usable by his base form. Khadgar basically cannot use it by SBA, not without major consequences he'd only deal with if he was about to lose,

Okay, doesn't that just mean he could use it but just be very tired afterwards? Sounds much better than dying.

and by the time that'd happen he'd already be dead beyond what he can recover from.

If Naruto gets through 5-10x more durable barriers AND Khadgar doesn't just AOE nuke him right after that AND Khadgar doesn't just teleport out of Narutos range to make a new barrier AND Naruto then manages to land a direct rasen shuriken instead of any other attack all while his speed is nerfed and Khadgars is buffed? Sure.

But ignoring so many easy counters and one shot opportunities doesn't sound like a very "extraordinary genius" course of action from Khadgar.

 

[DaReaperMan]

The shurikens are significantly below his barriers durability and attack CELLS so unless his barriers are made out of flesh they don't dura neg them whatsoever. That's why it's listed as LIMITED duraneg.

Which is fine because being good at dodging isn't saving you from AOE attacks. Especially when the opponent can teleport and slow you down.

He doesn't need to. He has a TON of attacks with wide AOE.
And given he's an extraordinary genius, I really don't think using AOE and slow debuff/speed buff spells to hit a hard to tag opponent is beyond his intellectual capacity lol.

You don't need to be a genius to figure out that using faster attacks with wider range against slower targets makes them easier to hit. I figured out wider range attacks make hitting people easier when I was 5 and used a book to kill a fly lmao

He has spells that amp his mana regen by up to 750%. If even that isn't enough to use time stop for a single second then it should probably be noted with big bold letters in his weakness section because at that point he effectively doesn't even have that ability.

Okay, doesn't that just mean he could use it but just be very tired afterwards? Sounds much better than dying.

If Naruto gets through 5-10x more durable barriers AND Khadgar doesn't just AOE nuke him right after that AND Khadgar doesn't just teleport out of Narutos range to make a new barrier AND Naruto then manages to land a direct rasen shuriken instead of any other attack all while his speed is nerfed and Khadgars is buffed? Sure.

But ignoring so many easy counters and one shot opportunities doesn't sound like a very "extraordinary genius" course of action from Khadgar.

Wide AoE does not mean impossible to dodge. If you can pull me any of Khadgar's AoE that is instant, I will give you a single match made. Because the closest it gets is Arcane explosion and just move back for that.

Everything else either has a tell, or can be easily moved out of. Circa, the guy who made Khadgar's profile and researched every little thing about the character.

 

[Foriaa]

he can casually do a thousand and that’s the highest his gone

Naruto has done far more than a thousand

 

[Shadowslash125]

If Naruto's other keys don't infringe Khadgar's 51% loss condition, I can replace it, otherwise Imma skim the backup page and drag anyone that's unique.
Although I do see arguments running about whether it does or doesn't infringe it, so imma observe for a bit.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Wide AoE does not mean impossible to dodge. If you can pull me any of Khadgar's AoE that is instant, I will give you a single match made. Because the closest it gets is Arcane explosion and just move back for that.

Everything else either has a tell, or can be easily moved out of. Circa, the guy who made Khadgar's profile and researched every little thing about the character.

Khadgar has attack reflection and absorption so I doubt anything is gonna hit him from a distance by a 70% slower nard. Furthermore he has probability manipulation that allows him to avoid fatal hits.

He also has counter spell which would make it that nard can’t use his abilities for 6 whole seconds while he is slower and weaker than Kha, moreover, Kha also has his own shadow clones for 40 seconds that can aoe the hell out of nard while nard can’t basically use anything. TSO? Kha has portals and teleportation to avoid them

 

[Kellex]

I like how this went from Naruto vs Rexxar to Naruto vs Khadgar.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Khadgar has attack reflection and absorption

Just say "I didn't read the profile", please. Unless you truly, genuinely believe Chakra Equalizes to Warcraft magic?

so I doubt anything is gonna hit him from a distance by a 70% slower nard.

He needs to hit him for that. Naruto is a skillgod.

Furthermore he has probability manipulation that allows him to avoid fatal hits.

... sigh.

He also has counter spell which would make it that nard can’t use his abilities for 6 whole seconds while he is slower and weaker than Kha, moreover, Kha also has his own shadow clones for 40 seconds that can aoe the hell out of nard while nard can’t basically use anything. TSO? Kha has portals and teleportation to avoid them

Alternative. All of this only works if CHAKRA EQUALIZES TO MAGIC. It does not. Also, Naruto could dodge God Khadgar without breaking a sweat unless he's that stupid in combat that he sees a fireball and says "nah, I'd win"

 

[DaReaperMan]

As it stands, this clearly came about because people saw haxwall and assumed haxlord.

Most of Khadgar's hax is either useless or unassuming. If this was Jaina you might have a point because she does do Kilometer-Wide AoEs, Khadgar barely goes 10 meters and while that seems big, you need to remember that this is relative. Naruto has speed amps. Khadgar needs to land a hit to slow him down.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Welp, I'll replace him with the roaring knight to make things fairer again, unless anyone have objections

 

[DaReaperMan]

Welp, I'll replace him with the roaring knight to make things fairer again, unless anyone have objections

If Hokage is like, restricted baseline and can't get through Khadgar's barriers it's a maybe, but that's like, still iffy.

 

[Shadowslash125]

If Hokage is like, restricted baseline and can't get through Khadgar's barriers it's a maybe, but that's like, still iffy.

Fast ass fingers already replaced Naruto
If Hokage Naruto does fit in the tiersetter, I will give this match back to him lol

 

[DaReaperMan]

Honestly I'm half-certain Hokage just stealthfucks Khadgar anyways, seeing that they're in a forest and Khadgar doesn't have any kind of sensing for Chakra.

 

[Shadowslash125]

RK it is then

 

[DaReaperMan]

ANYWAYS

Roaring Knight uh... tends to eat hits if arguments for his tiersetter aren't mistaken. Spirit is based.

 

[Shadowslash125]

REAPER HOW DID YOU BECOME STAFF?

 

[DaReaperMan]

@Shadowslash125 by being competent at a job not many people want to do?

 

[Shadowslash125]

@Shadowslash125 by being competent at a job not many people want to do?

Lol I just had reaps be not staff then immediately be staff the next second. What an experience