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Comprehensive Review of the Instant Death

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ExcelsisBerny said:
That same scan directly implies that the Ultimate Ensemble is simply the totality of the verse’s cosmology.

So, if you want to prove that the verse is Low 1-A, then you should shift your attention toward demonstrating that a Low 1-A structure actually exists in the first place, because simply saying “all possible worlds” is not indicative of anything, since that statement only refers to (as I said before) the totality of the elements present within the cosmology.

I heavily disagree with the Low 1-A rating. I am neutral regarding the rest.
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In fact, you are mistaken in this matter. The Absolute God mentioned that the word "world" means the ultimate collection that includes all possible worlds, but in his following context, he explains that there are some people who, when they hear the word "world" alone, think about the other universes, dimensions, or parallel worlds, and so on (focus on the words "and so on"). Then he said that when he says the word "world," he means everything without exception. Then he says, "Understand this: I mean everything without exception."

Do you know where the mistake is now? Your mistake is that you ignored that when the Absolute God says the word "world," he means the ultimate collection that includes all possible worlds (you ignored the explanation itself, you ignored that the ultimate collection contains all possible worlds in the first place). Therefore, when people hear him say the word "world," they wonder about dimensions, worlds, universes, and so on (and so on). And we must not forget that all that exists is the existence of all possible worlds in the first place, and that is all that exists (all possible worlds). That is why he responded to them and said, "I mean everything without exception," meaning everything, no matter what, always keeping in mind that the ultimate collection contains all that exists, which is all possible worlds. This is what you ignored. So when you say "all that exists" only, all that exists in the first place is all possible worlds in the first place.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
In fact, you are mistaken in this matter. The Absolute God mentioned that the word "world" means the ultimate collection that includes all possible worlds, but in his following context, he explains that there are some people who, when they hear the word "world" alone, think about the other universes, dimensions, or parallel worlds, and so on (focus on the words "and so on"). Then he said that when he says the word "world," he means everything without exception. Then he says, "Understand this: I mean everything without exception."

Do you know where the mistake is now? Your mistake is that you ignored that when the Absolute God says the word "world," he means the ultimate collection that includes all possible worlds (you ignored the explanation itself, you ignored that the ultimate collection contains all possible worlds in the first place). Therefore, when people hear him say the word "world," they wonder about dimensions, worlds, universes, and so on (and so on). And we must not forget that all that exists is the existence of all possible worlds in the first place, and that is all that exists (all possible worlds). That is why he responded to them and said, "I mean everything without exception," meaning everything, no matter what, always keeping in mind that the ultimate collection contains all that exists, which is all possible worlds. This is what you ignored. So when you say "all that exists" only, all that exists in the first place is all possible worlds in the first place.
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In fact she is not

All Possible Worlds indeed context important and we ask Proper Class for Low 1-A realms(read Von Neumann Universe)

So just by going Tegmark Theory which by itself would qualify for Low 1-A cuz stuff like Von Neumann Universe or Absolute Infinity exists in theory, you have to prove how this is Type 4 and contains all of this to qualify there.

Your scans just imply Ultimate Ensemble World is All Cosmology of Instant Death which by itself nowhere near enough for Proper Class Structure Argument
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Do you know where the mistake is now? Your mistake is that you ignored that when the Absolute God says the word "world," he means the ultimate collection that includes all possible worlds (you ignored the explanation itself, you ignored that the ultimate collection contains all possible worlds in the first place). Therefore, when people hear him say the word "world," they wonder about dimensions, worlds, universes, and so on (and so on). And we must not forget that all that exists is the existence of all possible worlds in the first place, and that is all that exists (all possible worlds). That is why he responded to them and said, "I mean everything without exception," meaning everything, no matter what, always keeping in mind that the ultimate collection contains all that exists, which is all possible worlds. This is what you ignored. So when you say "all that exists" only, all that exists in the first place is all possible worlds in the first place.
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The descriptor “all possible worlds” is contingent on the verse’s cosmology. It is not hard to understand.

Imagine that we have a set A, which contains five elements.

In this case, the Ultimate Ensemble is set A, because it encompasses all possible worlds within the cosmological framework used by the verse, that is, those five elements.

It is a truly horrible argument. DMC already tried something similar and it was rejected. Do not be greedy, and focus on High 1-B.
 
Hecky2222 said:
In fact she is not

All Possible Worlds indeed context important and we ask Proper Class for Low 1-A realms(read Von Neumann Universe)

So just by going Tegmark Theory which by itself would qualify for Low 1-A cuz stuff like Von Neumann Universe or Absolute Infinity exists in theory, you have to prove how this is Type 4 and contains all of this to qualify there.

Your scans just imply Ultimate Ensemble World is All Cosmology of Instant Death which by itself nowhere near enough for Proper Class Structure Argument
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Oh look it is almost as if this kind of argument is used by tensura fans to explain the VOTW 😝
 
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Can someone quickly tell me the arguments for 1-B or H1-B ? Is it just the higher universe section in the OP ?
 
Cipher72 said:
Can someone quickly tell me the arguments for 1-B or H1-B ? Is it just the higher universe section in the OP ?
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From what I get

Universes beyond each other endlessly with additional information from your grandkid which proves kinda them being sized as observable universe
 
Azertyhuuh said:
The higher universes are based on this: universes within universes endlessly, where each higher universe contains all the lower infinite multiverses, and this continues without end. This is one of the ways higher dimensions are represented in fictional works. Specifically, the FAQ page mentions this: the most common way to indicate higher dimensions is that every universe is part of a larger universe, and so on. This requires a higher dimension to connect and contain all these universes. I know that alone is not sufficient evidence because mentioning such a sequence is not enough. Therefore, I will now explain the reason that makes the higher universes contain higher dimensions for this process.
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つまりキリがないのだが、終わりは唐突に訪れた。
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In this context, The higher universes would be a dimension that is nearly infinite but not quite infinite.
 
Hjdjdhf said:
In this context, The higher universes would be a dimension that is nearly infinite but not quite infinite.
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That sentence is referring to the fact that Toichirou managed to reach and erase UEG before any more destruction continued. It's unrelated to the size of the higher universes themselves.
 
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Hjdjdhf said:
In this context, The higher universes would be a dimension that is nearly infinite but not quite infinite.
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Higher dimensions aren't infinite. No amount of context gives you this. This refers to amount not size. They are rather in size of the universe which still qualifies but given scans this doesn't give you "dimension is infinite"
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
The descriptor “all possible worlds” is contingent on the verse’s cosmology. It is not hard to understand.

Imagine that we have a set A, which contains five elements.

In this case, the Ultimate Ensemble is set A, because it encompasses all possible worlds within the cosmological framework used by the verse, that is, those five elements.

It is a truly horrible argument. DMC already tried something similar and it was rejected. Do not be greedy, and focus on High 1-B.
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Regarding the "Set A" we discussed the Ultimate Ensemble World which encompasses "All Possible Worlds" you mentioned it consists of 5 elements.
However, as we know, Instant Death (ID) often uses the term "Integrating Worlds," yet it frequently implies these are actual, existing worlds. For instance, in Volume 15, In Yogiri, one of the rules for creating the Ultimate Ensemble World'S
It’s
probably been around since the very beginning of the Ensemble World.
It’s one of the rules governing the Ensemble World’s creation
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Or in volume 11, will UEG destroy the universe
“I-In that case, I will incinerate everything! Time! Space! The universe itself! The higher-level universe that encompasses this one!”
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This concept of hierarchy also appears in The Demon King is Unbeatable:
Raw: 「それぞれの宇宙において全能なのだ。宇宙やそのレベル、多元宇宙、それを内包する宇宙など世界にも様々な階層があってだな！」

Translation: "They are all omnipotent in their respective universes. There are different hierarchies of worlds, including universes, their levels, multiverses, and the universe that contains them!"
— The Demon King is Unbeatable | Side Story "Demon God Alliance"
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Furthermore, there is the principle that:

全ての事象は”世界”の上で動いている。"All events move within the 'world'."
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If the Ultimate Ensemble World were merely the sum of its parts, it should technically move in tandem with every element (though this part is arguably the most confusing).

My main point is this: If we consider the Celestial Foundation, The Sea, Universe, Multiverse, and Higher Dimensions as the five core elements, then the Ultimate Ensemble World should be defined as the entity beyond those five the one that encompasses every single possibility.

What I am truly trying to convey is that it is the Primordial Source that blankets everything. It isn't just a "collection" of various universes; it is the Single Greatest Universe that contains every space, every dimensional expansion, and every Universe.

Rather than simply saying it "encompasses all possible worlds," it might be more accurate to define it as the Highest of the Hierarchy.
 
Ihsjihahxu said:
Regarding the "Set A" we discussed the Ultimate Ensemble World which encompasses "All Possible Worlds" you mentioned it consists of 5 elements.
However, as we know, Instant Death (ID) often uses the term "Integrating Worlds," yet it frequently implies these are actual, existing worlds. For instance, in Volume 15, In Yogiri, one of the rules for creating the Ultimate Ensemble World'S


Or in volume 11, will UEG destroy the universe

This concept of hierarchy also appears in The Demon King is Unbeatable:

Furthermore, there is the principle that:



If the Ultimate Ensemble World were merely the sum of its parts, it should technically move in tandem with every element (though this part is arguably the most confusing).

My main point is this: If we consider the Celestial Foundation, The Sea, Universe, Multiverse, and Higher Dimensions as the five core elements, then the Ultimate Ensemble World should be defined as the entity beyond those five the one that encompasses every single possibility.

What I am truly trying to convey is that it is the Primordial Source that blankets everything. It isn't just a "collection" of various universes; it is the Single Greatest Universe that contains every space, every dimensional expansion, and every Universe.

Rather than simply saying it "encompasses all possible worlds," it might be more accurate to define it as the Highest of the Hierarchy.
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Sets containing sets can be thing in Cardinality. For example you can hold [aleph 0, aleph 1, aleph 2] which by definitions are cardinals. What we ask for Low 1-A is Proper Class so just telling cardinals of cardinals doesn't work at all since this is not what Proper Class is.

You can have container that contains whole infinite dimensional structures and it wouldn't be Low 1-A still.

In case for Instant Death it would be Ultimate Ensemble World which encompasses High 1-B structure
 
KLOL506 said:
Given that Low 1-A and 1-A are involved, your input regarding this would also be appreciated.
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The logic given here:
The same issue applies here. One of the reasons the higher universes were downgraded from level 1B and originally H1B was the mistaken belief that the concept of infinity does not exist, which led to the downgrade without long discussion. The staff could not ignore this, as they stated, but now this claim has been refuted, which will change a lot here as well.
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Does not work in our standards. Worlds with worlds is considered an Aleph-1 amount of cosmological structures, which is whatever dimensional zone they are +1. The fact that the difference between the various universes are size rather than additional axis would indicate that they're not High 1-B to my understanding.
the FAQ page mentions this: the most common way to indicate higher dimensions is that every universe is part of a larger universe, and so on.
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It doesn't to my reading. Like this sentence you quoted does not exist anywhere on the page. Where did you find this? If you're talking about this:
A: One of the more straightforward ways to qualify for Tier 2 and up through higher dimensions is by affecting whole higher-dimensional universes which can embed the whole of lower-dimensional ones within themselves. For example: A cosmology where the entirety of our 3-dimensional universe is in fact a subset of a much greater 4-dimensional space, or generalizations of this same scenario to higher numbers of dimensions; i.e A cosmology where the four-dimensional spacetime continuum is just the infinitesimal surface of a 5-dimensional object, and etc.
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You have to prove that the universes are infinitesimal to an infinite space. Like how a 2D plane is a slice of a 3D plane. You have to indicate that these spaces embed lower worlds as they do in Brane-theory.
Finally, I will talk about the Ultimate Ensemble, and the author used the name “Ultimate Ensemble” to refer to the type-4 multiverse of Teigmark, but it is not limited to the name; there is evidence that confirms this.
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As discussed in this stuff thread, being a Type-4 multiverse does not automatically grant a High 1-B to Low 1-A rating. You have to show proof that the higher mathematical concepts of that reality exist within the work.
For completeness, see here the author’s response regarding whether Yogiri transcends the concept of dimensions and cannot be reached as the End
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This is a Ben 10/Ninjago tier leading question and absolutely cannot be used.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Does not work in our standards. Worlds with worlds is considered an Aleph-1 amount of cosmological structures, which is whatever dimensional zone they are +1. The fact that the difference between the various universes are size rather than additional axis would indicate that they're not High 1-B to my understanding.
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If they are universe sized(significant) doesn't containing them again and again endlessly could be at least Tier 1 arg?
 
Hecky2222 said:
If they are universe sized(significant) doesn't containing them again and again endlessly could be at least Tier 1 arg?
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No, you'd have to prove that they're infinitesimal, that every reality is a dimensional jump, or that every higher universe has a perpendicular time axis.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
The logic given here:

Does not work in our standards. Worlds with worlds is considered an Aleph-1 amount of cosmological structures, which is whatever dimensional zone they are +1. The fact that the difference between the various universes are size rather than additional axis would indicate that they're not High 1-B to my understanding.

It doesn't to my reading. Like this sentence you quoted does not exist anywhere on the page. Where did you find this? If you're talking about this:

You have to prove that the universes are infinitesimal to an infinite space. Like how a 2D plane is a slice of a 3D plane. You have to indicate that these spaces embed lower worlds as they do in Brane-theory.

As discussed in this stuff thread, being a Type-4 multiverse does not automatically grant a High 1-B to Low 1-A rating. You have to show proof that the higher mathematical concepts of that reality exist within the work.

This is a Ben 10/Ninjago tier leading question and absolutely cannot be used.
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What are your thoughts on the rest (Celestial Foundations, Abyss, and Sea)?

And what tier do you suggest for the higher universes?
 
Yeah then Tier 1 args seems to be dismissible if one needs to prove lower universes are infinitesmal

Although I would wait my wanker grandkid @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless if ID verse has statement that supports infinitesimalness of universes
 
Qawsedf234 said:
The logic given here:

Does not work in our standards. Worlds with worlds is considered an Aleph-1 amount of cosmological structures, which is whatever dimensional zone they are +1. The fact that the difference between the various universes are size rather than additional axis would indicate that they're not High 1-B to my understanding.

It doesn't to my reading. Like this sentence you quoted does not exist anywhere on the page. Where did you find this? If you're talking about this:

You have to prove that the universes are infinitesimal to an infinite space. Like how a 2D plane is a slice of a 3D plane. You have to indicate that these spaces embed lower worlds as they do in Brane-theory.

As discussed in this stuff thread, being a Type-4 multiverse does not automatically grant a High 1-B to Low 1-A rating. You have to show proof that the higher mathematical concepts of that reality exist within the work.

This is a Ben 10/Ninjago tier leading question and absolutely cannot be used.
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The higher universes are the universes that exist beyond everything—beyond the Sea and beyond all of that—and this place surpasses all of it.

First, I will introduce you to the Sea, the Abyss, and the Heavenly Foundations, and all of this so that you can get an idea about the higher universes. Because simply put, if you do not know these things, you will fall into the fallacies you mentioned, and I already said that I need staff members who have experience with the Instant Death work.

First, we have the Heavenly Foundations, which are worlds inside bubbles, and they exist in a hierarchy within the Sea. The Sea is an infinite space that contains these countless Heavenly Foundations. As I said, these foundations exist in a hierarchy, and they are universes. These universes differ in their laws, and they exist on a conceptual level.

Heavenly Foundations: 2-B
Sea: Low 1-C
Abyss: Low 1-C

This is only a simple explanation so that you have a small idea about them in order to understand the higher universes.

Now we have the higher universes. These higher universes transcend and exist beyond everything—beyond the Sea, the Foundations, and so on. It is a different space that surpasses all of that. We also have the structure of the higher universes: these higher universes are infinite in size and exist in an infinite hierarchy, where you have a higher universe that contains the entire multiverse beneath it, and so on endlessly. The lowest universe in this hierarchy would be 1-C or higher.

Now, these higher universes are also infinite in size, and this requires the existence of a spatial dimension for each higher universe in order to contain the entire multiverse beneath it, which is infinite in size. This continues endlessly. Because containing an entire multiverse with a certain dimensional structure and infinite size within a larger structure that is also infinite in size requires additional spatial dimensions for each higher universe to make this possible.

In the Dragon Ball discussion regarding the neutral space, I was the first person to say that the neutral space containing infinite four-dimensional universes requires a spatial dimension for the neutral space in order to contain those multiverses. The same thing applies here, and even more so, because the hierarchy of higher universes starts from 1-C up to H1-B for the reasons I explained to you.

Therefore, yes, the higher universes are H1-B, and this has already been approved by staff members.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
The higher universes are the universes that exist beyond everything—beyond the Sea and beyond all of that—and this place surpasses all of it.
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That doesn't prove a transinfinite gap by itself.

Azertyhuuh said:
already said that I need staff members who have experience with the Instant Death work.
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You don't. The burden is on you to prove your point to people who aren't familiar with the series, that's an actual written rule we have:
When arguing for changing character statistics, do not assume that the staff will have in-depth knowledge about the fictional franchise in question. Make sure to explain your suggestions in a structured manner that is easy to comprehend. You will not be allowed to change any statistics if people cannot understand what you mean.

To reiterate, when creating content revision threads, it is best to keep your suggestions as structured and simple to understand as possible, so the staff will have an easier time evaluating the text. Avoid writing upgrade threads mainly based on assumptions from a limited amount of information, with no additional context or evidence to support them.
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Azertyhuuh said:
Now we have the higher universes. These higher universes transcend and exist beyond everything—beyond the Sea, the Foundations, and so on. It is a different space that surpasses all of that. We also have the structure of the higher universes: these higher universes are infinite in size and exist in an infinite hierarchy, where you have a higher universe that contains the entire multiverse beneath it, and so on endlessly. The lowest universe in this hierarchy would be 1-C or higher.

Now, these higher universes are also infinite in size, and this requires the existence of a spatial dimension for each higher universe in order to contain the entire multiverse beneath it, which is infinite in size. This continues endlessly. Because containing an entire multiverse with a certain dimensional structure and infinite size within a larger structure that is also infinite in size requires additional spatial dimensions for each higher universe to make this possible.
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Our FAQ page directly goes against this:
Q: Is a structure bigger than a 2-A structure Low 1-C by default?
No, the default assumption is that this is not the case. "Bigger" could mean having more 2-A structures and, as explained in greater detail previously, having more 2-A structures, or even infinitely many 2-A structures, unless uncountably infinitely many, won't be above a single 2-A structure in size. This is due to these structures actually having the same size as a baseline 2-A structure. It is, however, possible to at least achieve greater than baseline 2-A power by upscaling from other characters who've performed 2-A feats or of the feats themselves, rather than by affecting 2-A structures containing other 2-A structures. However, if "bigger" is indicated to mean a size difference that makes the structure dimensionally superior to a 2-A structure, the structure qualifies for Low 1-C unless the fiction specifies otherwise.

To elaborate, a structure larger than 2-A meets the requirements for dimensional superiority over them if it either explicitly mentions an uncountably infinite number of universes or has portrayals/statements of being larger than 2-A structures to the point that even infinite multipliers on top of the size of that structure are of no relevance to it. Multiversal structures past Low 2-C frequently have a distance of unknown length along a 5th dimensional axis separating them. That isn't automatically Low 1-C, as for Low 1-C the distance must be known to be of non-insignificant size.

In that regard it is important to consider that, by its nature, it is not possible to accurately depict 5 dimensional space. As such depictions of the multiverse are usually not to be understood as an accurate representation of the distance between the universes, but rather just qualitative analogies of the multiverse's structure.

As usual, evaluation of any additional evidence needs to be done case-by-case.
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Just being bigger isn't enough for a dimensional jump. You have to show something similar to Brane cosmology embedding for it to count.

Azertyhuuh said:
In the Dragon Ball discussion regarding the neutral space, I was the first person to say that the neutral space containing infinite four-dimensional universes requires a spatial dimension for the neutral space in order to contain those multiverses. The same thing applies here, and even more so, because the hierarchy of higher universes starts from 1-C up to H1-B for the reasons I explained to you.
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When this was discussed last time I explained why DBS' Neutral Zone can qualify. It's not that holds 4D structures and has time, as plenty of cosmological structures do that without being Low 1-C. It's that it's holding those spaces while being big and having a perpendicular time axis.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
he higher universes are H1-B, and this has already been approved by staff members.
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You do realize that Oblivion asked Qaw on purpose?

Literally ask them again right there what they think on your Low 1-C to High 1-B argument cuz you didnt provide reasoning why they are infinitesmal
 
Qawsedf234 said:
The OP just linked to other posts, some from three years ago, without giving a justification within this one. So I don't know.
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Basically, since the verse now accepts the concept of infinity, Celestial Foundations and the Sea would return to the state where they were before:
 
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Qawsedf234 said:
That doesn't prove a transinfinite gap by itself.


You don't. The burden is on you to prove your point to people who aren't familiar with the series, that's an actual written rule we have:



Our FAQ page directly goes against this:

Just being bigger isn't enough for a dimensional jump. You have to show something similar to Brane cosmology embedding for it to count.


When this was discussed last time I explained why DBS' Neutral Zone can qualify. It's not that holds 4D structures and has time, as plenty of cosmological structures do that without being Low 1-C. It's that it's holding those spaces while being big and having a perpendicular time axis.
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I think you still have not understood the argument yet.

The text here says that if there is a 2-A structure, and there are other 2-A structures infinitely added to it, it will still remain the same size as a 2-A structure and will not result in a Low 1-C structure. Then it says that if what is meant is the difference in size itself, then it would be classified at the Low 1-C level. And this is exactly what I am talking about, and this is what exists in the higher universes.

The higher universes are a structure where universes of infinite size exist inside a higher universe that is also infinite, and this continues endlessly. Each higher universe of infinite size contains the entire lower multiverse, which is also infinite in size, and this continues endlessly. This means we have infinite spaces inside a higher infinite universe, and this continues without end. This requires the existence of an additional spatial dimension for each higher universe in order to contain the lower multiverse that is infinite in size. I said in size, and please do not repeat those kinds of examples to me, because I already know them; you simply did not understand the structure of the higher universes.

As mentioned there, it requires a difference in size, and that is exactly what occurs in the higher universes. That is what I am talking about. I am not referring to an infinite number of universes inside other infinite universes—no, no, no, that is incorrect and that is not what I am saying.

I have already said what I needed to say. Also, the staff members who agreed are experienced with Instant Death as well, and they were called here before you because they have experience with Instant Death.

The only reason it was downgraded is the concept of infinity, and that has already been refuted. Therefore, it will return to H1-B.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
I have already said what I needed to say. Also, the staff members who agreed are experienced with Instant Death as well, and they were called here before you because they have experience with Instant Death
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I don't think you understood what Qawsedf meant by infinitesimal there. I will just ask knowledgeable member(Oblivion) there yet again because he asked Qaw's opinions about the rest(Keep at mind Qaw is more knowledgeable member when it comes to Tier 1)


Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Basically, since the verse now accepts the concept of infinity, Celestial Foundations and the Sea would return to the state where they were before:
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After discussion with Qawsedf did you change your mind about Higher Universes or you say High 1-B is good?
 
Hecky2222 said:
I don't think you understood what Qawsedf meant by infinitesimal there. I will just ask knowledgeable member(Oblivion) there yet again because he asked Qaw's opinions about the rest(Keep at mind Qaw is more knowledgeable member when it comes to Tier 1)



After discussion with Qawsedf did you change your mind about Higher Universes or you say High 1-B is good?
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Even if he is more experienced, he still has not understood what I said yet. And until now, he has not refuted the last argument that I sent. Also, I stated before the beginning of the thread that I wanted staff members who have experience with Instant Death.
 
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Then it says that if what is meant is the difference in size itself, then it would be classified at the Low 1-C level. And this is exactly what I am talking about, and this is what exists in the higher universes
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The FAQ is talking about spaces that are large enough to qualify for dimensional superiority
However, if "bigger" is indicated to mean a size difference that makes the structure dimensionally superior to a 2-A structure, the structure qualifies for Low 1-C unless the fiction specifies otherwise.
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Just being bigger isn't enough, the crux is being big enough that it's a transinfinite amount higher.

Azertyhuuh said:
The higher universes are a structure where universes of infinite size exist inside a higher universe that is also infinite, and this continues endlessly. Each higher universe of infinite size contains the entire lower multiverse, which is also infinite in size, and this continues endlessly. This means we have infinite spaces inside a higher infinite universe, and this continues without end. This requires the existence of an additional spatial dimension for each higher universe in order to contain the lower multiverse that is infinite in size.
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You have infinite points within a infinite space, but that's not the same as a dimensional difference. There's a transinfinite number of points between any dimensional increase within that space. Being vastly larger or containing infinite universes still isn't enough for Low 1-C or higher by itself. It needs to embed them to the point where they're infinitesimal, as in infinitely small in comparison.

It's not X < ∞ but dx or δ or 1/∞ < ∞
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I said in size, and please do not repeat those kinds of examples to me, because I already know them; you simply did not understand the structure of the higher universes.
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Alright, I can see where this is going. KLOL asked me to comment and I've commented, so digging in heels in this situation won't go anywhere.

My conclusions are as follows:
  • Reviving the 2-B and Low 1-C ratings are fine
  • I don't see evidence for embedded spaces within higher dimensions, so the Ultimate Ensemble is 1-C unless there's more explicit math mentioned
  • All possible worlds would be be a multiverse sized contract of whatever end dimensional set is decided on
  • The WoG is a leading question and can't be used in my view. If other moderators feel it is usable (as in I'm outvoted), then it would be a 1-A justification rather than Low 1-A afaik
Hope you have a good day.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
That doesn't prove a transinfinite gap by itself.
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Daimaou nodded her head in understanding.

I think you can understand the ...... way, can't you? You can't reach me, you know. I manipulate space-time and control infinity. There is an infinite gap between you and me. It seems my attack didn't get through, but your attack didn't get through to me either...”　

The Great Demon King waved one hand carelessly. Her hand sword ripped through space. Patty could not tell what it cut through, but she could see that the Great Demon King had cut through something of his own volition.　

One of Ganze's hands fell. His right hand, with its heavy cuirass, fell, making a dull thud.　

More than pain, more than fear, the thought of unreasonableness prevailed. Distorting space and building infinite distance. Any attack is meaningless if it cannot reach you. This is the best defense Ganze has. But it was easily broken. He didn't understand the meaning. Infinite means literally limitless. No attack could ever reach him.
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As is known, Patty’s ability is the manipulation of space, which inherently governs both time and infinity. She can manifest that infinite space to create a literal distance between Paella and herself.

This demonstrates that the gaps between universes be it space, time, or the sheer number of Universe are all infinite. Even the higher universe, which encompasses and contains these smaller universes along with their infinite voids,
 
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