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The Spirit of Eternity Sword Ability Additions

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Continuation from here which upgraded the cast to low 1-C based on the Labrinth of Time.

Concept Manipulation (Type 2)​


There are few places where Eternals can unleash their full power (Chapter 2). Eternals can exist in any world, but in exchange, their maximum strength is limited by the amount of mana that exist in each world (Chapter 5), this is why despite being superior to the spirits of Phantasmagoria, Tokimi's strength isn't insurmountable to them (Chapter 5).

It's noted by Yuuto that his strength decreased when he left the Labyrinth of Time (Chapter 5).

Not only does mana exist everywhere, humans despite having flesh and blood have souls made up of mana, meanwhile Spirits, Etrangers etc are made up of pure mana (Aselia the Eternal, Chapter 3), being described as life made manifest. Mana is stated to exist everywhere, and since Yuuto's soul is conceptual it isn't bound by distance or space, so his body can be reconstructed anywhere, because mana exists everywhere (Aselia the Eternal, Chapter 3).

So essentially all humans have souls made up of mana, but the souls of Spirits and Etrangers are made up of pure mana, which is why it's a conceptual thing which has no restrictions. Spirits are beings which are close to being Eternals (Chapter 4). If mana vanishes, everything will completely disappear (Chapter 5) except for Eternals, and mana/energy even exists within the Labyrinth of Time (Chapter 5), which is stated to be purified energy, also evident by the fact they are stronger in the Labyrinth of Time, and their strength depends on mana, meaning it has more mana there. So far I have established that mana is a fundamental thing which exists everywhere in the world, and without which, the world can't exist, it not only makes up souls, but also is conceptual. I think mana is a type 2 concept.

Battles between Eternal's are all about shaving away their opponent's mana, it's irrelevant where they are injured as a result, Eternal's can just regenerate, what's important is how much mental damage you can do (Chapter 5). So to truly kill an Eternal you have to damage them mentally, and the mind has been proven to be equivalent to the soul (Chapter 3), and going back to what I posted before, an Etranger's soul is pure mana, and below an Eternal's soul, is conceptual, so really the "soul" damage you need to kill them is actually conceptual damage, Eternal's should have Mid-Godly Regen, for being able to regen as long as they aren't completely conceptually destroyed, along with Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2) due to being able able to shave off each others mana, attacking each others conceptual soul/mind.

Abstract Existence Type 2 [Information Manipulation (Type 2)]​


When Eternal's enter a world, their bodies are reconstructed using the mana of that world (Chapter 5). They don't fall under the usual categories, and exist more as information than organisms (Chapter 5). So an Eternal's true nature is information, hence why they can go anywhere, but once they get to a world, their bodies are reconstructed using the mana of that world. In terms of what type to consider this information as, it's information which can exist in any world (Chapter 5), as Eternal's can exist in any world, also as I already posted before, mana is a fundamental thing which exist everywhere and without it, everything disappears, yet Eternal's can continue to exist despite that (Chapter 5), though I guess in the latter case it could be interpreted that even if they were completely destroyed conceptually, they would still exist in the form of information, which makes sense thinking about it.

There is an argument to made based on the sequel, Seinarukana where everything within the Time Tree is made of Et Ca Repha's mana's, and as a result the cast there can convert themselves from mana to the information of the Log Sector which controls all of reality. Should also be noted that Euphoria who is the child of Yuuto, the protag of the first game, journeyed along side the cast of the 2nd game, so the logic is consistent that Eternal could go from being mana to pure information, though there was a retcon between both games where Eternal's in the 2nd game are no longer restricted by the amount of mana that exists, so not too sure about backscaling this sort of thing, so I think for the original game, we should take an Eternal's true form to be information.

So putting it all together, the true form of Eternal's is information, and even nuking everything that exists in the form of getting rid of mana, won't kill them. Temuorin who is an Eternal was killed by other Eternal's, but its stated she can't be completely destroyed (Chapter 5), the cast will meet her again but not for this specific fight. I interpret this as meaning due to being information, Eternal's can't be killed permanently, and at some point can reappear where they were killed, as in the case of mana being nuked in a world. I think this is an argument for AE type 2, since they are information, you can't permanently kill them without affecting that, otherwise they resurrect.

TLDR​


Mana is a fundamental thing which exists in all worlds, even in the Labyrinth which transcends time and space, and makes worlds look small in comparison to itself, the amount of mana varies between worlds, and if there is none, the world ceases to exist, Eternal's are limited by the amount of mana that exists, which is why their strength changes between worlds.

Mana makes up souls, and purer versions make up concepts. Spirits and Etrangers are mana made manifest essentially mana given physical form, but their souls being pure mana are conceptual. The nature of Spirits are close to Eternals, but obviously Eternals exist within a space which contains even purer mana/energy, and are beings of information that can exist anywhere.

Eternals can only die when dealt wounds to their mind/soul/concept, thus should get Mid-Godly regen.

Eternals being able to kill each other would give Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation, and the true form/nature of Eternals should be Type 2 Information. Even after being supposedly killed by each other, Eternal's don't completely die, as they can't be completely destroyed due to their nature being information, so they should get Abstract Existence Type 2 for their true form
 
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Shouldn't the CM for eternal be type 1? From what I see mana makes up the world and everyone in it, that's type 2. If the world and all mana is destroyed, eternals will still remain alone. It also seems like to even enter the world they need to be remade with the mana of the world instead to limit their existence.

So they can exist even if the world and it's mana is destroyed, and aren't dependent off the mana/concepts that make up the worlds reality. I mean it's either that or the info 2 is on the level a CM 1 equivalent type of existence.

The thing is their bodies are reconstructed into info, so it doesn't seem they're originally like that. They still predate the universe
 
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If it means anything, it is stated that Eternity Swords have existed since the beginning of the world/universe (Chapter 4).

It's not said their bodies are reconstructed into information, just that their bodies are reconstructed when they enter a world using its mana.

You do have a point though that being able to exist despite all concepts being destroyed would prove your independent of them, the question though is whether that's because Eternal's exist as information which is more fundamental than concepts, or just type 1 concepts, might be hard to tell which, but it is a fact they don't die when conceptually destroyed as seen when Temoruin got killed conceptually by other Eternals, but would just come back later.

Side note rewatching the Labrinth scenes, the area within which Yuuto finds his Eternity Sword Wisdom, is stated to be an endless space (Chapter 4), and also as already applied on the profiles, transcends time and space (Chapter 4). So a place which is infinite and transcendent over space-time, is just a part/subsection of the Labrinth of Time, which is itself outside space-time, and makes universes look small...
 
Oh now I see, eternals do exist as information. But to enter the world they limit themselves and the world's mana(concepts) reconstruct them to fit. From what I see, they (and the eternal swords) belong to realms that transcend time and space of the universes. That space is also infinite and the things beyond the universe hold their information bodies.

So I think in this case info 2 > concepts in this series. The info is independent of the universe, and it acts like cm1. Their bodies just aren't reliant on normal mana
 
Yea think that covers it good.

Normal humans have bodies of flesh and blood with souls made of mana, spirits and etrangers have bodies of pure mana with conceptual souls, and Eternals have bodies made of the mana of the world which is conceptual, with their existence being information.

So Information>concept>soul is what it looks like.

Side note if its ever asked, in terms of the bodies of the characters, just cause they're made up of mana for example doesn't mean they are intangible, they are basically physical manifestations of mana, however their soul/existence itself is different in that it has no form.
 
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So the soul is concept?. Hmm, if that is the way, i disagree with Mid-Godly because Mid-Godly regen requires you to regen from physical body, soul, mind destruction, but since soul in the verse is concept, soul is on the same fundamental level as concept, regen from soul destruction = regen from concept destruction which implies High-Godly. So due to that, the verse either have Low-Godly or High-Godly, amd since it doesn't have conceptual soul regen feat, it is Low-Godly only


so they should get Abstract Existence Type 2 for their true form
? If information is their true form? Why AE2?, it should be AE1
 
@Vietthai96 Soul in verse doesn't necessarily equal concept, humans have normal souls, spirits and etrangers have conceptual souls, so there is a difference between a regular soul and a soul which is a fundamental aspect. Eternal's regenerate unless you destroy their souls, which is conceptual.

I brought up AE2 because we know even after being killed conceptually, they still resurrect, which implies they are dependent on information.
 
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But we are talking about Eternal soul regen, not normal soul regen? Because Eternal soul is conceptual which mean soul destruction = conceptual destruction, that mean regen from soul destruction = regen from conceptual destruction = High-Godly, pretty much the verse skip Mid-Godly and jump straight to High-Godly due to soul = concept


I brought up AE2 because we know even after being killed conceptually, they still resurrect, which implies they are dependent on information.
Oke i guess, cause you wrote their true form are information so i think it is AE1 for their true form

I forgot CM but it is fine i guess
 
Eternal's will regenerate unless they are wounded critically, their fights involve shaving away each other's mana while doing mental/soul/conceptual damage.

In other words, they can regenerate from conceptual damage, but that's only to a point, if they get wounded by that critically they die, hence I brought up Mid-Godly, but I suppose it should be something like Limited High-Godly.
 
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Idk, that's why I suggested Mid-Godly, because if they can regenerate somewhat from conceptual damage, then they should regenerate from everything below that, the verse has a clear hierarchy of; flesh and blood<mind & soul<concept<information, but you insisted that can't be the case.
 
but you insisted that can't be the case
yeah, it can't be the case because the soul of Eternal already a concept that jumps straight to High-Godly if regen from its destruction. Unless Eternal have two levels of soul like in Bastard! where they have one layer of soul being normal soul and a deeper conceptual spirit layer or something iirc

Well i think Limited HGR is oke for the time being i guess
 
Technically the bodies of Spirits of Etrangers are made of souls, the way it works as shown in the scans in the op is that humans have flesh and blood with souls made up of mana, while Spirits and Etrangers have bodies made up of mana with souls which are conceptual, they are called life force made manifest, essentially their bodies are the physical manifestation of souls.

But anyway we can go with Limited HGR.
 
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