Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Mbpoops]

I think that at best an Emanator is = to the strongest Pathstrider if featless

It all leads back to welt..

 

[SuperNova55555]

Also I checked the infinite stairs thingy and its the same shit about looping space and stuff, so yea every tier is getting nuked. Only difference is whether Nigh-Aeons are Low 2-C or High 3-A but I’m def leaning towards the latter

 

[Mbpoops]

Thats just the theatre if domain wdym

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Found this btw

 

[Mbpoops]

Yea ts getting nuked

 

[SuperNova55555]

Ye ig Im js waiting for mbpoops to fix the profiles. In the meantime Ill likely start consuming the HI3 lore. Not the game tho, js the story

 

[Mbpoops]

Ye ig Im js waiting for mbpoops to fix the profiles. In the meantime Ill likely start consuming the HI3 lore. Not the game tho, js the story

The game is just the story i mean theres some events but even i havent touched those so it shouldnt be that hard ngl

 

[SuperNova55555]

The game is just the story i mean theres some events but even i havent touched those so it shouldnt be that hard ngl

I js dont wanna bother with the gameplay at all ngl. Im js gonna stick to following story guides and thats it

 

[Mbpoops]

I js dont wanna bother with the gameplay at all ngl. Im js gonna stick to following story guides and thats it

Fairs theres also sometimes important dialog in the middle if combat which kinda sucks (absolute infinity slop)

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Found this btw

Well well well....

 

[Mbpoops]

Found this btw

This actually does remind me about that ******* beetle and how tb soloed them to a stalemate. highschoolers > swarm emanator

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Ye I think all Emanator cross-scaling gotta go. Only Aeons should be relative to each other

Emanator cross-scaling should be able to used on Emanator of the same Path to some degree since they should have similar level of favor from Aeon but different Paths Emanator cross-scaling is really a no go

I agree

Does the like 20+ statements of them being comparable just not matter anymore

 

[SuperNova55555]

I js dont wanna bother with the gameplay at all ngl. Im js gonna stick to following story guides and thats it

Ugh. The yuri is too good. Guess I’ll have to actually finish it

Does the like 20+ statements of them being comparable just not matter anymore

First I’m hearing that Herta is going blow-for-blow with Zephyro

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

First I’m hearing that Herta is going blow-for-blow with Zephyro

This how they be boxing

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Does the like 20+ statements of them being comparable just not matter anymore

I don't think it necessarily contradicts anything. It's that simply means the Emanators are just generally a whole other league above the non Emanators.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

This actually does remind me about that ******* beetle and how tb soloed them to a stalemate. highschoolers > swarm emanator

Emanator level high schoolers fr fr

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I don't think it necessarily contradicts anything. It's that simply means the Emanators are just generally a whole other league above the non Emanators.

The Arbiter Generals are on par/equal to the Lord Ravager

Emanators clashing results in a mutual destruction

The clash between 3 emanators brings upon devasting destruction

Black Swan stated when Emanators like Dominicus and Jing Yuan clash, ordinary people inevitably suffer

To overcome the power of an Emanator, you need the same level of power as one

To face a counterfeit false god ascending and destroying the foundation of Ena's Dream, you need the power of an Emanator

The Hoyo writers don't believe in there being a big gap between Emanators just because they're in different paths

Black Swan does not believe in there being a big gap between Emanators just because they're in different paths

Incomplete Irontomb is stated to be comparable to a full fledged Lord Ravagers. The video shows him being comparable to the likes of Zephyro himself, Phantylia, and Celenova. They showed Lord Ravagers as a whole rather than a specific Lord Ravager

Complete Irontomb is stated to surpass the power output of that of a mere Emanator to the point all Emanators all powerless against it. Complete Irontomb is the sole exception (besides Post Fuli Cyrene lol) to ever go beyond what an Emanator's strength is supposed to be

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

The Arbiter Generals are on par/equal to the Lord Ravager

Emanators clashing results in a mutual destruction

The clash between 3 emanators brings upon devasting destruction

Black Swan stated when Emanators like Dominicus and Jing Yuan clash, ordinary people inevitably suffer

To overcome the power of an Emanator, you need the same level of power as one

To face a counterfeit false god ascending and destroying the foundation of Ena's Dream, you need the power of an Emanator

The Hoyo writers don't believe in there being a big gap between Emanators just because they're in different paths

Black Swan does not believe in there being a big gap between Emanators just because they're in different paths

Incomplete Irontomb is stated to be comparable to a full fledged Lord Ravagers. The video shows him being comparable to the likes of Zephyro himself, Phantylia, and Celenova. They showed Lord Ravagers as a whole rather than a specific Lord Ravager

Complete Irontomb is stated to surpass the power output of that of a mere Emanator to the point all Emanators all powerless against it. Complete Irontomb is the sole exception (besides Post Fuli Cyrene lol) to ever go beyond what an Emanator's strength is supposed to be

Nothing you said contradicts my point at all.

My point is that not ALL Emanators are equal, but that doesn't mean Emanators don't scale to one another. Those last two statements actually support my point.

And the points about you needing to be Emanator level to beat an Emanator can also simply mean you need to be comparable or more powerful than someone on an Emanator's level.

Them all being in a similar range of power doesn't necessarily mean they're all equally as strong as one another.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

My point is that not ALL Emanators are equal, but that doesn't mean Emanators don't scale to one another.

Don't get what you're trying to argue. The current profiles follow what you're saying. The profiles don't have them completely as being equal, they scale comparable to each other. It would be asinine to have like one group of Emanators be like 50 tiers weaker than another group of Emanators when the game doesn't even imply this.

And the points about you needing to be Emanator level to beat an Emanator can also simply mean you need to be comparable or more powerful than someone on an Emanator's level.

I don't know how you interpreted it as that when the context of the of that line was made in a conversation between like 5 pathstriders and the 1 sole Emanator (Acheron) involved, meaning the pathstriders there can't accomplish the feat.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Don't get what you're trying to argue. The current profiles follow what you're saying. The profiles don't have them completely as being equal, they scale comparable to each other. It would be asinine to have like one group of Emanators be like 50 tiers weaker than another group of Emanators when the game doesn't even imply this.

I didn't even say anything about a downgrade? The only thing I'm saying is that not all the Emanators are equal to each other.

I don't know how you interpreted it as that when the context of the of that line was made in a conversation between like 5 pathstriders and the 1 sole Emanator (Acheron) involved, meaning the pathstriders there can't accomplish the feat.

That's literally my point. The only thing I just said is that the statement meant you need power comparable to an Emanator or greater to beat Emanator. I didn't even mention anything about pathstriders.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I didn't even say anything about a downgrade? The only thing I'm saying is that not all the Emanators are equal to each other.

I'd assume so since the 3 messages I replied to were people suggesting to nuke Emanators cross scaling comparably to each other.

That's literally my point. The only thing I just said is that the statement meant you need power comparable to an Emanator or greater to beat Emanator. I didn't even mention anything about pathstriders.

Guess we on the same wavelength on that ig.

So basically we agree on

Emanators are not 100% equal to each other BUT Emanators are comparable or on par to each other and don't possess a 50-tier difference gap. Emanators cross scaling is fine as long as they're just scaling comparably like it is rn and the sole exception to this being Complete Irontomb and Post Fuli Cyrene.

 

[Mbpoops]

The Arbiter Generals are on par/equal to the Lord Ravager

2 sets of emanators being compared.. wow..

Emanators clashing results in a mutual destruction

Emanators of the same path? Because they draw from the same source?

The clash between 3 emanators brings upon devasting destruction

I‘d hope my galaxy busting characters were making chadwick bomb explosion?

Black Swan stated when Emanators like Dominicus and Jing Yuan clash, ordinary people inevitably suffer

Dead scan

To overcome the power of an Emanator, you need the same level of power as one

Pathstriders can get this power btw

To face a counterfeit false god ascending and destroying the foundation of Ena's Dream, you need the power of an Emanator

Not sure why this would chainscale all emanators to eachother you could literslly just chop this up to emanators having a special power that lets them do this

The Hoyo writers don't believe in there being a big gap between Emanators just because they're in different paths

this literally isnt at all what you just said

Black Swan does not believe in there being a big gap between Emanators just because they're in different paths

Never even implied with what you just sense.. shes just saying that 3 emanators will show up

Incomplete Irontomb is stated to be comparable to a full fledged Lord Ravagers. The video shows him being comparable to the likes of Zephyro himself, Phantylia, and Celenova. They showed Lord Ravagers as a whole rather than a specific Lord Ravager

Because hes also a lord ravenger? Or at the very least a destruction emanantor. It would be weird to compare him to lets say.. the xienshou or erudition emanantors.. i mean tall even said they arent equal in strength off site so this comparrison doesnt mean they are equal

Complete Irontomb is stated to surpass the power output of that of a mere Emanator to the point all Emanators all powerless against it. Complete Irontomb is the sole exception (besides Post Fuli Cyrene lol) to ever go beyond what an Emanator's strength is supposed to be

But if emanators can draw from their aeons why would irontomb be an issue? Oh wait maybe because their power is limited? Maybe because not all emanators are equal? Maybe because chainscaling off of a vague power rating doesnt work? If phantylia can just draw power from nanook why didnt she just 1 tap dan heng i mean hes not an emanator. Maybe because she cant just draw up to aeon levels of power because shes limited? If sunday could draw from both the order and harmony why didnt he just 1 tap us? I mean he is an emanator^2 right? The only emanators that are unrestricted are nihility emanators this is blatantly stated btw another reason why acheron and zephyro are so feared throughout the cosmos. I also wanna point out… no emanator except for, cyrene IT and phainon, has a visible feat above tier 2.

 

[Mbpoops]

Nothing you said contradicts my point at all.

My point is that not ALL Emanators are equal, but that doesn't mean Emanators don't scale to one another. Those last two statements actually support my point.

Currently all emanators are listed as low 1-C despite not having the feats..

And the points about you needing to be Emanator level to beat an Emanator can also simply mean you need to be comparable or more powerful than someone on an Emanator's level.

Agree its shown multiple times lol (hysilins and tb vs lygus, dan heng vs phantylia, everyone vs sunday)

Them all being in a similar range of power doesn't necessarily mean they're all equally as strong as one another.

Thing is the power level is so vague we have emanators like phantylia with no feats or statements above galaxy level at low 1-C despite being damage by dhil.. which.. lol? Then theres emanators like zephyro who can just no diff phainon and every other character so their power varies by a wide margin

 

[Mbpoops]

Low 1-C galaxies

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

2 sets of emanators being compared.. wow..

This isn't a debunk to shit btw

Emanators of the same path? Because they draw from the same source?

Your interpretation holds absolutely no merit when its consistently stated its a clash between Emanators in general.

I‘d hope my galaxy busting characters were making chadwick bomb explosion?

You missed like the entire point of the line.

Dead scan

Pathstriders can get this power btw

What are you on about

Not sure why this would chainscale all emanators to eachother you could literslly just chop this up to emanators having a special power that lets them do this

Its literally because only Emanators there are strong enough to actually pull off the feat during the arc

this literally isnt at all what you just said

They view Emanators as a single level. The 3 Emanators in the context we're 3 entirely different paths of Emanators and they ONLY view them as one level, Emanator. They don't glaze one Emanator over another just because of their path.

Never even implied with what you just sense.. shes just saying that 3 emanators will show up

"Comparable to an Emanator"

Again they view Emanators as a single level and compared 3 entirely different Emanator paths as a single leve

Because hes also a lord ravenger? Or at the very least a destruction emanantor. It would be weird to compare him to lets say.. the xienshou or erudition emanantors.. i mean tall even said they arent equal in strength off site so this comparrison doesnt mean they are equal

Please quote where I'm arguing that they are equal in strength. The entire point is that they're ALL comparable to each other.

But if emanators can draw from their aeons why would irontomb be an issue?

Because its stated VERBATIM Irontomb ascended beyond Emanators

Oh wait maybe because their power is limited?

WHO ARGUED THEY HAVE 100% PATH.

Maybe because not all emanators are equal?

NO ONE ARGUED THIS LMFAO

Maybe because chainscaling off of a vague power rating doesnt work?

Not vague when its literally consistently supported that they are comparable to each other.

If phantylia can just draw power from nanook why didnt she just 1 tap dan heng i mean hes not an emanator.

I just told you we literally scale Dan Heng to the level of one. Also READ PROFILES.

Maybe because she cant just draw up to aeon levels of power because shes limited?

You're schizo arguing again. Also refer to previous message.

If sunday could draw from both the order and harmony why didnt he just 1 tap us?

HE DIDN'T EVEN FIGHT BACK LOL. Brother he was focused on creating a different path than on us.

I mean he is an emanator^2 right?

We don't accept scaling like this

The only emanators that are unrestricted are nihility emanators this is blatantly stated btw another reason why acheron and zephyro are so feared throughout the cosmos. I also wanna point out… no emanator except for, cyrene IT and phainon, has a visible feat above tier 2.

Again they're still comparable to each other

Currently all emanators are listed as low 1-C despite not having the feats..

You don't read profiles and CRTs. You didn't even know there was a Key called "Pathstrider" on Welt's profile and you were on the page. You are practically accusing @Vietthai96 of not reading CRTs by doing this btw

Agree its shown multiple times lol (hysilins and tb vs lygus, dan heng vs phantylia, everyone vs sunday)

Hysilens and TB. How about you go read the profiles and actual read CRTs

Dan Heng Vs Phantylia. Again we ACCEPT him as Emanator level. I told you this YESTERDAY. Hell, READ the profiles.

"Everyone versus sunday"

Sunday was weakened

Astral Express was buffed

Sunday literally didn't fight back or focus on us

Low 1-C galaxies

You're pulling a Furina rn.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

If Emanators were all equal, why didn’t Herta just stop Irontomb from oneshotting everyone?

Why didn’t Jing Yuan do it?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Actually isn’t March as a Pure Child of Anasrava an Emanator?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

If Emanators were all equal

I’ll let you off on the hook since Woomy said playing Genshin nulled his senses.

Again. NO ONE said Emanators are 100% Equal strength to each other.

My point is that not ALL Emanators are equal, but that doesn't mean Emanators don't scale to one another.

You liked Emirp’s message here. Surely you liked the message because you read what they said and not because you thought FRA liking does something in a discussion there.

why didn’t Herta just stop Irontomb from oneshotting everyone?

Why didn’t Jing Yuan do it?

EXPLICITLY stated that Incomplete Irontomb is on a level of a mere Emanator and that Complete Irontomb transcends the level of an Emanator to the point they’re all powerless against it. Come on man.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I’ll let you off on the hook since Woomy said playing Genshin nulled his senses.

Again. NO ONE said Emanators are 100% Equal strength to each other.


You liked Emirp’s message here. Surely you liked the message because you read what they said and not because you thought FRA liking does something in a discussion there.


EXPLICITLY stated that Incomplete Irontomb is on a level of a mere Emanator and that Complete Irontomb transcends the level of an Emanator to the point they’re all powerless against it. Come on man.

So why are you scaling them to each other?

So Irontomb is an Emanator that is way stronger than other Emanators.

 

[Mbpoops]

This isn't a debunk to shit btw

hunt and destruction are basically the same thing one is just targetted destruction

Your interpretation holds absolutely no merit when its consistently stated its a clash between Emanators in general.

but hes specifically talking about herta not all emanators

You missed like the entire point of the line.

emanators are powerful and cause big explosion did i get that right

i cant zoom into this on pc grr

What are you on about

pathstriders can have the power to content with emanators its literally just her saying "you can only beat them if you're as strong as them"

Its literally because only Emanators there are strong enough to actually pull off the feat during the arc

firefly dahlia and sparkle destroyed layers of ENA's dream and they literally needed an aeon's weapon to knock sunday out of his aeon status

They view Emanators as a single level. The 3 Emanators in the context we're 3 entirely different paths of Emanators and they ONLY view them as one level, Emanator. They don't glaze one Emanator over another just because of their path.

because those emanators are relative in power? seems simple enough to me

"Comparable to an Emanator"

comparable to an emanator in what way? strength? abilities? its too vague especially when irontomb is low diffing evernight march with help from cyrene tb and dan heng and lygus lost to tb and hysilins

Again they view Emanators as a single level and compared 3 entirely different Emanator paths as a single level

they view THOSE emanators as a single level but its not consistant with the story

Please quote where I'm arguing that they are equal in strength. The entire point is that they're ALL comparable to each other.

if they arent equal in strength what are you comparing them to? what are they categories are they comparable in?

Because its stated VERBATIM Irontomb ascended beyond Emanators

but if emanators can just draw aeonic levels of power at any given time why would irontomb be an issue? he can be beyond emanators sure but those emanators according to the profiles can just draw power from their aeon and defeat him if nessesary. unless.. hear me out.. they're limited by their aeons?

WHO ARGUED THEY HAVE 100% PATH.

Emanators can draw power from their respective Aeons, unleashing formidable strength far beyond a mere mortal.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Loading_Screen_-_Emanators-77"><span>[</span>77<span>]</span></a> For example, the Lord Ravager Incomplete Irontomb can destroy the UniverseImaginary Tree by drawing power from the Aeon of Destruction Nanook.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Witch's_Mirrored_Reversal-78"><span>[</span>78<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Hero,_Ignite_That_Primal_Sun-79"><span>[</span>79<span>]</span></a> As the Scepter formerly used as a Celestial-Body Neuron of Nous,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Hero,_Shatter_That_Woeful_Effigy-80"><span>[</span>80<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/F...t_Fundamentals,_Basic_Info:_Scepter_δ-me13-81"><span>[</span>81<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/F...Bank_Factions:_Lord_Ravagers_—_Destruction-82"><span>[</span>82<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Dawn,_Shine_at_the_World's_End-83"><span>[</span>83<span>]</span></a> Incomplete Irontomb also surpasses the worthy Scepters<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/F...able_Domain,_Secrets:_Spying_on_Heaven_(I)-84"><span>[</span>84<span>]</span></a> that empowered Rubert II to destroy half of the UniverseImaginary Tree with a single thought.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/F..._Domain,_Scepter:_Evolution_Alter:_Extreme-85"><span>[</span>85<span>]</span></a> Meanwhile, the Emanator of Nihility Acheron, can draw power from the Aeon of Nihility IX to transform,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-HoYoLAB:_Pom-Pom's_Intel_|_Emanator_Special-33"><span>[</span>33<span>]</span></a> and is capable of destroying the foundation of Ena's Dream,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Every_Dawn_of_the_World-86"><span>[</span>86<span>]</span></a> which is regarded as needing the power of an Emanator to overcome in both the Trailblaze's and the Finality's perspectives of the Story.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-And_on_the_Eighth_Day-72"><span>[</span>72<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Every_Dawn_of_the_World-86"><span>[</span>86<span>]</span></a> The Lord Ravager Zephyro is also capable of drawing enough power to rupture the cosmosImaginary Tree by clashing against Welt's Star of Eden Zeroth Power: Quasi Black Hole and ultimately overpowered it.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/F...ler_—_Exotale:_Scene_8_|_Honkai:_Star_Rail-87"><span>[</span>87<span>]</span></a> Additionally, the Emanator of Remembrance Cyrene, can draw enough power to put everything in the cosmos into complete statis by freezing the UniverseImaginary Tree,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/F...ler_—_Exotale:_Scene_8_|_Honkai:_Star_Rail-87"><span>[</span>87<span>]</span></a> bringing upon the Fourth Finality onto the entire Imaginary Tree.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Pages,_Ripples_That_Engrave_Memories-88"><span>[</span>88<span>]</span></a> According to the Imaginary Tree Theory, the term "Universe" in Honkai: Star Rail refers to the Imaginary Tree itself<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Data_Bank_Terms:_Imaginary_Tree_(Theory)-89"><span>[</span>89<span>]</span></a>)

NO ONE ARGUED THIS LMFAO

the way their profiles are tiered makes it look like they are all equal lol

Not vague when its literally consistently supported that they are comparable to each other.

the power ranking of emanator level is very vague because we have emanators like phantylia or the beetle who has no feats above 3-B (beetle actually has no feats other than fighting TB lol) then theres lygus who literally has an accepted "unknown" rating which i mean if hes comparable to evernight and incomplete irontomb why wouldnt he just be low 1-C aswell

I just told you we literally scale Dan Heng to the level of one. Also READ PROFILES.

what is emanator level? do you need to be an emanator to be "emanator level"? whats the baseline for emanator level? why is the justification for "emanator level" destroying a galaxy? theres so many things wrong with emanator level as a power or tier ranking its insane

You're schizo arguing again. Also refer to previous message.

its not schizo arguing she has both the destruction and abundance yet couldnt draw enough energy for dan heng's attacks to be inaffective even though hes not an emanator

HE DIDN'T EVEN FIGHT BACK LOL. Brother he was focused on creating a different path than on us.

hm i guess i miss remembered 3.8 thats my bad

We don't accept scaling like this

true also my bad cause phantylia has destruction and abundance

Again they're still comparable to each other

ah yes the emanators with no tier 2 feats are comparable to the emanators with tier 2 feats... got it..

You don't read profiles and CRTs. You didn't even know there was a Key called "Pathstrider" on Welt's profile and you were on the page. You are practically accusing @Vietthai96 of not reading CRTs by doing this btw

sorry i dont stalk welt's profile? i just assumed it was "hsr" and "hi3" keys. listing them as "herrscher of reason" and "pathstrider" seemed a bit odd since welt never stops being the herrscher of reason but idk just a naming issue imo

Hysilens and TB. How about you go read the profiles and actual read CRTs

or you could.. yk.. for 1 explain how the mf whos comparable to incomplete irontomb and evernight is losing to TB and hysilins (people whom irontomb low diffed)

Dan Heng Vs Phantylia. Again we ACCEPT him as Emanator level. I told you this YESTERDAY. Hell, READ the profiles.

refer to the previous message abt dan heng emanator level

"Everyone versus sunday"

Sunday was weakened

Astral Express was buffed

i miss remembered the 3.8 so thats my fault but yea we were buffed and sunday was weakened just sounds like rrobin upscale to me

Sunday literally didn't fight back or focus on us

addressed

You're pulling a Furina rn.

am i wrong though? the justification for low 1-C starts with a galaxy level feat

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

So why are you scaling them to each other?

Do you seriously not know what the difference between equal and comparable is? Again Emirp’s message, the one you liked, even said them not being 100% equal doesnt stop them from scaling to each other. Because again, theyre comparable to each other.

So Irontomb is an Emanator that is way stronger than other Emanators.

You cracked the case. We scale Complete Irontomb beyond Emanator since day 1. This tier is called Nigh Aeon level. Something that almost no one scales to other than Post Fuli Cyrene.

 

[Mbpoops]

Do you seriously not know what the difference between equal and comparable is? Again Emirp’s message, the one you liked, even said them not being 100% equal doesnt stop them from scaling to each other. Because again, theyre comparable to each other.

but how can they be comparable if they dont scale 100% equal? like the scan says to defeat an emanator you need to have the same level of power

You cracked the case. We scale Complete Irontomb beyond Emanator since day 1. This tier is called Nigh Aeon level. Something that almost no one scales to other than Post Fuli Cyrene.

its funny to me that phainon has a better l1c feat than both cyrene and irontomb

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Do you seriously not know what the difference between equal and comparable is? Again Emirp’s message, the one you liked, even said them not being 100% equal doesnt stop them from scaling to each other. Because again, theyre comparable to each other.


You cracked the case. We scale Complete Irontomb beyond Emanator since day 1. This tier is called Nigh Aeon level. Something that almost no one scales to other than Post Fuli Cyrene.

Why? What feats do they have that says they’re comparable. All the so called evidence you’ve provided doesn’t support that. The game itself has evidence to the contrary. I even posted something that says Emanator power levels vary significantly.

So you admit Emanators vary wildly in power so explain why you’re arguing they’re comparable and give some solid evidence.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

It’s 4 am so before I go I just want us all to remember that since all Emanators are comparable that means The Lord Ravagers are all high school victims.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

hunt and destruction are basically the same thing one is just targetted destruction

Brother there is an agenda that tries to depict that The Hunt emanators are vastly weaker to Lord Ravagers. You practically agreeing to the statement creates a precedent that theres no giant tier gap between any Emanator group..

but hes specifically talking about herta not all emanators

It's because they're both Emanators. The clash between Emanators have always been known as this. The other statements were even between different paths of Emanators

emanators are powerful and cause big explosion did i get that right

You're trying to imply there is such a big giant tier gap between Emanators. Keep in mind the context is between 3 entirely different paths of Emanators. There can't even BE a clash or a fight in the first place if theres magically a group of Emanators that is for some reason 50 tiers below the others

i cant zoom into this on pc grr

Skill issue fr

pathstriders can have the power to content with emanators its literally just her saying "you can only beat them if you're as strong as them"

I don't get whats the debunk. You're proving that there isn't a massive giant big gap if being Emanator level is the only requirement.

firefly dahlia and sparkle destroyed layers of ENA's dream and they literally needed an aeon's weapon to knock sunday out of his aeon status

Acheron is specifically in charge of destroying the foundation of the Dream itself, which is regarded as Emanator level feat. Hell Acheron alone has the possibility of doing it but her alone would take too long to pull off and Sunday would just catch on and stop it.

the power ranking of emanator level is very vague because we have emanators like phantylia or the beetle who has no feats above 3-B (beetle actually has no feats other than fighting TB lol)

This doesn't matter dude. They're comparable to each other in general. This is like saying Yajirobe isn't planet level because he has no feats of destroying a planet.

hen theres lygus who literally has an accepted "unknown" rating which i mean if hes comparable to evernight and incomplete irontomb why wouldnt he just be low 1-C aswell

Thats literally BASE LYGUS. PUPPET HERTA IS ALSO UNKNOWN. Thereos Lygus legit has a known combat form where he fights as an Emanator. This isn't an argument

but if emanators can just draw aeonic levels of power at any given time why would irontomb be an issue? he can be beyond emanators sure but those emanators according to the profiles can just draw power from their aeon and defeat him if nessesary. unless.. hear me out.. they're limited by their aeons?

Literally no WHERE stated on the profiles.

Emanators can draw power from their respective Aeons, unleashing formidable strength far beyond a mere mortal.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Loading_Screen_-_Emanators-77"><span>[</span>77<span>]</span></a> For example, the Lord Ravager Incomplete Irontomb can destroy the UniverseImaginary Tree by drawing power from the Aeon of Destruction Nanook.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Witch's_Mirrored_Reversal-78"><span>[</span>78<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Hero,_Ignite_That_Primal_Sun-79"><span>[</span>79<span>]</span></a> As the Scepter formerly used as a Celestial-Body Neuron of Nous,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Hero,_Shatter_That_Woeful_Effigy-80"><span>[</span>80<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/F...t_Fundamentals,_Basic_Info:_Scepter_δ-me13-81"><span>[</span>81<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/F...Bank_Factions:_Lord_Ravagers_—_Destruction-82"><span>[</span>82<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Dawn,_Shine_at_the_World's_End-83"><span>[</span>83<span>]</span></a> Incomplete Irontomb also surpasses the worthy Scepters<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/F...able_Domain,_Secrets:_Spying_on_Heaven_(I)-84"><span>[</span>84<span>]</span></a> that empowered Rubert II to destroy half of the UniverseImaginary Tree with a single thought.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/F..._Domain,_Scepter:_Evolution_Alter:_Extreme-85"><span>[</span>85<span>]</span></a> Meanwhile, the Emanator of Nihility Acheron, can draw power from the Aeon of Nihility IX to transform,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-HoYoLAB:_Pom-Pom's_Intel_|_Emanator_Special-33"><span>[</span>33<span>]</span></a> and is capable of destroying the foundation of Ena's Dream,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Every_Dawn_of_the_World-86"><span>[</span>86<span>]</span></a> which is regarded as needing the power of an Emanator to overcome in both the Trailblaze's and the Finality's perspectives of the Story.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-And_on_the_Eighth_Day-72"><span>[</span>72<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Every_Dawn_of_the_World-86"><span>[</span>86<span>]</span></a> The Lord Ravager Zephyro is also capable of drawing enough power to rupture the cosmosImaginary Tree by clashing against Welt's Star of Eden Zeroth Power: Quasi Black Hole and ultimately overpowered it.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/F...ler_—_Exotale:_Scene_8_|_Honkai:_Star_Rail-87"><span>[</span>87<span>]</span></a> Additionally, the Emanator of Remembrance Cyrene, can draw enough power to put everything in the cosmos into complete statis by freezing the UniverseImaginary Tree,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/F...ler_—_Exotale:_Scene_8_|_Honkai:_Star_Rail-87"><span>[</span>87<span>]</span></a> bringing upon the Fourth Finality onto the entire Imaginary Tree.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Pages,_Ripples_That_Engrave_Memories-88"><span>[</span>88<span>]</span></a> According to the Imaginary Tree Theory, the term "Universe" in Honkai: Star Rail refers to the Imaginary Tree itself<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Data_Bank_Terms:_Imaginary_Tree_(Theory)-89"><span>[</span>89<span>]</span></a>)

Deadass nothing here states they draw 100% path power. Hell this justification was literally the new justification to avoid that confusion.

the way their profiles are tiered makes it look like they are all equal lol

Zephyro's own profile legit says he's the strongest Lord Ravager. They are all tiered the same because they're comparable.

because those emanators are relative in power? seems simple enough to me

Of three entirely different paths btw. You saying 3 entirely different paths are all comparable to each other weakens your argument that theres somehow a 50 tier difference between them btw.

they view THOSE emanators as a single level but its not consistant with the story

It is consistent with the statements. Stop applying a 50 tier difference arbitrary

comparable to an emanator in what way? strength? abilities? its too vague especially when irontomb is low diffing evernight march with help from cyrene tb and dan heng and lygus lost to tb and hysilins

Strength. No she didn't low diff Evernight. Literally all irontomb had there was a crowd control debuff and that Cyrene can dispel it. Hell your entire argument falls flat from the fact that

1. None of them are getting one shotted by Incomplete Irontomb

2. None of them are getting blitzed by Incomplete Irontomb

3. They can all fight back and keep up with Incomplete Irontomb

Lygus doesn't have a crowd control debuff that needs purification to remove. Hell, Lygus cheated in his own way by coming back with Admin controls.

if they arent equal in strength what are you comparing them to? what are they categories are they comparable in?

They're comparable to each other in strength and capabilities. Again Comparable does NOT mean equal stats 100%

ah yes the emanators with no tier 2 feats are comparable to the emanators with tier 2 feats... got it..

"Yajirobe isn't planetary level because he doesn't have a feat of nuking a planet"

its not schizo arguing she has both the destruction and abundance yet couldnt draw enough energy for dan heng's attacks to be inaffective even though hes not an emanator

Again we accept Dan heng IL as Emanator level for the very reason we have listed on his profile if you can actually read it (Also her main goal of the entire fight was to turn Jing Yuan into Nanook's lackey)

sorry i dont stalk welt's profile? i just assumed it was "hsr" and "hi3" keys. listing them as "herrscher of reason" and "pathstrider" seemed a bit odd since welt never stops being the herrscher of reason but idk just a naming issue imo

You said you were on Welt's profile. You don't have to stalk it to read it.

am i wrong though? the justification for low 1-C starts with a galaxy level feat

Yeah but thats not what the justification I proposed to a crt and approved by Vietthai

i miss remembered the 3.8 so thats my fault but yea we were buffed and sunday was weakened just sounds like rrobin upscale to me

In Robin we trust. Robin solos.

why is the justification for "emanator level" destroying a galaxy?

It isn't

what is emanator level? do you need to be an emanator to be "emanator level"? whats the baseline for emanator level? why is the justification for "emanator level" destroying a galaxy? theres so many things wrong with emanator level as a power or tier ranking its insane

You're asking this because of Dan Heng IL. Please read the justification for Dan Heng IL

 

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Why? What feats do they have that says they’re comparable.

Literally provided a list. Keep up

All the so called evidence you’ve provided doesn’t support that.

Because? You aren't exactly proving why it doesn't support it. "It doesn't support that because I said so" type shit

The game itself has evidence to the contrary.

The evidence I sent is LITERALLY from the game

I even posted something that says Emanator power levels vary significantly.

Funny enough how you argue game itself had contrary evidence yet it's from a Pom Pom hoyolab pic and mine is directly from the game. Again the evidence I sent shows them being comparable to each other and does not imply AT ALL theres a 50 tier difference between each other. The ONLY Emanator known that your scan is showing is the Nobless worm that gained 100% path power for shit and giggles. Thats literally it.

So you admit Emanators vary wildly in power

Never said this. Man you gotta do a better job keeping up.

Also if you're saying this because I said Complete Irontomb is above Emanators then you lost the entire plot.

so explain why you’re arguing they’re comparable and give some solid evidence.

"I ignore evidence because it goes against my argument" type shit

 

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Brother there is an agenda that tries to depict that The Hunt emanators are vastly weaker to Lord Ravagers. You practically agreeing to the statement creates a precedent that theres no giant tier gap between any Emanator group..

the agenda has no value because we accept the statement that hunt emanators > lord ravengers. which might i add why do they even need to make an alliance if theres already a statement that xienshou emanators can high diff lord ravengers

It's because they're both Emanators. The clash between Emanators have always been known as this. The other statements were even between different paths of Emanators

yea those 2 emanators lol

You're trying to imply there is such a big giant tier gap between Emanators. Keep in mind the context is between 3 entirely different paths of Emanators. There can't even BE a clash or a fight in the first place if theres magically a group of Emanators that is for some reason 50 tiers below the others

well yea of course i am. incomplete irontomb was handling evernight in a 4v1 which included another emanator and lygus lost to tb and hysilins who also lose to evernight..

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I don't get whats the debunk. You're proving that there isn't a massive giant big gap if being Emanator level is the only requirement.

im saying "emanator level" strength isnt that special at most they are just better at using their path's abilities (if this is the case should prolly separate path abilities depending on level) pathstriders can match emanators in strength and we see this multiple times

Acheron is specifically in charge of destroying the foundation of the Dream itself, which is regarded as Emanator level feat. Hell Acheron alone has the possibility of doing it but her alone would take too long to pull off and Sunday would just catch on and stop it.

she was in charge of destroying a 3-B foundation at most? at most she can have resistance to 3 layers of dream or reality manip from that lol

This doesn't matter dude. They're comparable to each other in general. This is like saying Yajirobe isn't planet level because he has no feats of destroying a planet.

the thing is the beetle should scale to that version of the TB (3-B) why is the TB even low 1-C pre IT or lygus?

Thats literally BASE LYGUS. PUPPET HERTA IS ALSO UNKNOWN. Thereos Lygus legit has a known combat form where he fights as an Emanator. This isn't an argument

lygus wasnt speaking to pupper herta was he? he was speaking to herta.

Literally no WHERE stated on the profiles.

isnt drawing power the main jsutification for low 1-C? which is where aeons scale.

Deadass nothing here states they draw 100% path power. Hell this justification was literally the new justification to avoid that confusion.

Zephyro's own profile legit says he's the strongest Lord Ravager. They are all tiered the same because they're comparable.

im fine with zephyro being low 1-C baseline cause hes actrually shown those feats. why would anyone be comparable to him outside of irontomb tho? if anything they are just comparable in status as a lord ravenger

Of three entirely different paths btw. You saying 3 entirely different paths are all comparable to each other weakens your argument that theres somehow a 50 tier difference between them btw.

im not sure how that weakens my argument. aeons limit the power of their emanators being different paths doesnt change anything

It is consistent with the statements. Stop applying a 50 tier difference arbitrary

incomplete IT > EN > Lygus

Strength. No she didn't low diff Evernight. Literally all irontomb had there was a crowd control debuff and that Cyrene can dispel it. Hell your entire argument falls flat from the fact that

1. None of them are getting one shotted by Incomplete Irontomb

2. None of them are getting blitzed by Incomplete Irontomb

3. They can all fight back and keep up with Incomplete Irontomb

i never said they got one shotted? they dont need to get one shotted to get low diffed the fact they had to fight him with 2 emanators and still lost says a lot

Lygus doesn't have a crowd control debuff that needs purification to remove. Hell, Lygus cheated in his own way by coming back with Admin controls.

again thats why i said he lost? because he had to use admin commands to come back? this doesnt change anything

They're comparable to each other in strength and capabilities. Again Comparable does NOT mean equal stats 100%

"to defeat an emanator you must have the same strength as one"

"Yajirobe isn't planetary level because he doesn't have a feat of nuking a planet"

so show me one 2A feat before irontomb and cyrene. ive actually asked many times for you guys to show me a low 1-C feat that isnt phainon and i havent gotten a response..

Again we accept Dan heng IL as Emanator level for the very reason we have listed on his profile if you can actually read it (Also her main goal of the entire fight was to turn Jing Yuan into Nanook's lackey)

what is emanator level? do you need to be an emanator to be "emanator level"? whats the baseline for emanator level? why is the justification for "emanator level" destroying a galaxy? theres so many things wrong with emanator level as a power or tier ranking its insane

You said you were on Welt's profile. You don't have to stalk it to read it.

when did i say i was on welt's profile lol i said nether fixed the scans on it

Yeah but thats not what the justification I proposed to a crt and approved by Vietthai

then why is it still here

In Robin we trust. Robin solos.

my queen robin

It isn't

The Xianzhou Alliance's Marshal and six Generals are stated to be no way inferior to the Lord Ravagers/Overlords, the Emanators of Destruction,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-An_Invitation_Without_Proffer_-_Welt-70"><span>[</span>70<span>]</span></a> who are capable of incinerating entire galaxies.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Feixiao#cite_note-Welt,_About_the_Galaxy_-_About_the_Aeons-71"><span>[</span>71<span>]</span></a> its literally the first sentence

You're asking this because of Dan Heng IL. Please read the justification for Dan Heng IL

what is emanator level? do you need to be an emanator to be "emanator level"? whats the baseline for emanator level? why is the justification for "emanator level" destroying a galaxy? theres so many things wrong with emanator level as a power or tier ranking its insane

 

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You guys have fun, I'm not touching this with a planet sized pole

 

[RoninSlayer200]

You guys have fun, I'm not touching this with a planet sized pole

Lowball, where is High 1-A+ Yanqing.

 

[EddisherSound]

Lowball, where is High 1-A+ Yanqing.

He'll be here after I get Ultraman to High 1-A+ (so 1000 years from now)