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The Garden of Orichi: Elder Tomato Vs. Red Stickman (The Shoobieverse Vs. The Orichi-Verse) (3-0-0)

Elder Tomato seems to rely on his physical mass and the environment. Red’s Scientific Physics Gun and Gravity Gun can override conventional laws.

Even if the Tomato is stronger, Red can suspend him in mid-air or manipulate his center of gravity, neutralizing the Tomato’s flight and physical strikes he needs to harm Red. Speaking of, Red is too hard to take down due to better regen
 
Elder Tomato is in his Elder Tomato Key.
Prime tomato key, right? Elder Tomato hasn't been written into The Cosmic Refrigerator yet and likely wont be for several years :0

To start, Prime Tomato should have a fairly heavy AP advantage. His AP value is like 0.2 petatons away from High 6-A values, being 6-A+, whereas Red Stickman is 6-A. I cant figure out the exact AP difference because my computer is currently spazzing out, but it's there :0

Secondly (Something that will come up in his threads within vene's country tourney), his hands get incredibly hot. And by incredibly hot, I mean incredibly hot. Prime Tomato in his second key was able to vaporize Helse Syr, a Surel user. Surel Users have been able to tank incredible heats without issues. Helse Syr & Alagay both have survived lava, Nucleotherms was unaffected by being very close to the earth's core, Nob was entirely unaffected by being inside of the sun's core and Experiment 88 has no selled the heat from nuclear bombs, which, from what I can remember, is about 10,000,000 degrees celsius. Prime Tomato's second form fists alone should drastically upscale from that value, but after his resurrection Helse Syr tanked those fists, then later getting vaporized again harder by one of Prime Tomato's explosions. TL;DR, his fists are hot as hell, and Red Stickman doesnt resist that heat, meaning one-shot attacks via heat

Speaking of, Red is too hard to take down due to better regen
Wanted to note that actually

Helse Syr's final explosion was enough to negate Helse Syr's Mid-High regen. Red Stickman has a baseline Low-Mid regen usually, which is not enough to survive. The immortality types seem non-combat applicable as well.

As for the mid-godly regen (the type you were more likely referring to), theres just a lot of issues with the concept of it. Gaining mid-godly regen from eating yourself thrice would require you to eat your own soul and your entire body with nothing left of it. I doubt the soul bit heavily, and I still doubt even low-godly regen from eating yourself. I'd like to see a scan of that :0

Elder Tomato seems to rely on his physical mass and the environment. Red’s Scientific Physics Gun and Gravity Gun can override conventional laws.

Even if the Tomato is stronger, Red can suspend him in mid-air or manipulate his center of gravity, neutralizing the Tomato’s flight and physical strikes he needs to harm Red.
Why is all of Red's lab-made equipment standard equipment? Wouldn't this all be optional? Or does he like carry all of it around with him everywhere? :0
 
Prime tomato key, right? Elder Tomato hasn't been written into The Cosmic Refrigerator yet and likely wont be for several years :0

To start, Prime Tomato should have a fairly heavy AP advantage. His AP value is like 0.2 petatons away from High 6-A values, being 6-A+, whereas Red Stickman is 6-A. I cant figure out the exact AP difference because my computer is currently spazzing out, but it's there :0

Secondly (Something that will come up in his threads within vene's country tourney), his hands get incredibly hot. And by incredibly hot, I mean incredibly hot. Prime Tomato in his second key was able to vaporize Helse Syr, a Surel user. Surel Users have been able to tank incredible heats without issues. Helse Syr & Alagay both have survived lava, Nucleotherms was unaffected by being very close to the earth's core, Nob was entirely unaffected by being inside of the sun's core and Experiment 88 has no selled the heat from nuclear bombs, which, from what I can remember, is about 10,000,000 degrees celsius. Prime Tomato's second form fists alone should drastically upscale from that value, but after his resurrection Helse Syr tanked those fists, then later getting vaporized again harder by one of Prime Tomato's explosions. TL;DR, his fists are hot as hell, and Red Stickman doesnt resist that heat, meaning one-shot attacks via heat
Neat
Wanted to note that actually

Helse Syr's final explosion was enough to negate Helse Syr's Mid-High regen. Red Stickman has a baseline Low-Mid regen usually, which is not enough to survive. The immortality types seem non-combat applicable as well.

As for the mid-godly regen (the type you were more likely referring to), theres just a lot of issues with the concept of it. Gaining mid-godly regen from eating yourself thrice would require you to eat your own soul and your entire body with nothing left of it. I doubt the soul bit heavily, and I still doubt even low-godly regen from eating yourself. I'd like to see a scan of that :0
If Red simply ate his physical body and "popped" back, that is likely Mid-High regeneration at best. It’s kinda similar to what Gumball and Darwin did.
Why is all of Red's lab-made equipment standard equipment? Wouldn't this all be optional? Or does he like carry all of it around with him everywhere? :0
Red has a Pocket Reality bag. If he carries his entire lab in that bag at all times, the gadgets stay. And I’m assuming he carries all of his items there.

If Red has a doll of everyone he's met, and can craft one for a new opponent in a second, he can snap the Tomato’s limbs or crush his heart from a distance without ever entering the Tomato's melee range. Or he could crush him via superior LS?

Red can create forcefields that block and reflect damage. If the Tomato punches with the heat of a star, Red’s forcefield could reflect that thermal energy back onto the Tomato. With the Extraterrestrial Bio-Watch—this is basically Red's version of the Omnitrix. If the Tomato is an organic Cherry Tomato, Red can analyze that DNA and either transform into a predator or counter-species or use the Biological Manipulation aspect of the watch to glitch the Tomato’s form, or perhaps even reverting him from Elder back to a Base Form seedling…
 
If Red simply ate his physical body and "popped" back, that is likely Mid-High regeneration at best. It’s kinda similar to what Gumball and Darwin did.
So something that can be negated :0

Red has a Pocket Reality bag. If he carries his entire lab in that bag at all times, the gadgets stay. And I’m assuming he carries all of his items there.
Fair enough. That should probably be noted on the page tho

If Red has a doll of everyone he's met, and can craft one for a new opponent in a second, he can snap the Tomato’s limbs or crush his heart from a distance without ever entering the Tomato's melee range. Or he could crush him via superior LS?
The LS is unknown. The at most stellar rating scaling off her sister shouldn't be applicable given that the page never mentions them grappling at all, and even if it was that way, he would get vaporized before getting anywhere near Prime Tomato. Prime Tomato also has Class E LS, which makes it so that the physics gun's Class M LS shouldn't be super useful :0

The voodoo dolls are every person he's ever met. He hasnt met Prime Tomato before. The page does say that he could craft one quickly, but the materials for making a new one isnt in his equipment list :u

Red can create forcefields that block and reflect damage. If the Tomato punches with the heat of a star, Red’s forcefield could reflect that thermal energy back onto the Tomato. With the Extraterrestrial Bio-Watch—this is basically Red's version of the Omnitrix. If the Tomato is an organic Cherry Tomato, Red can analyze that DNA and either transform into a predator or counter-species or use the Biological Manipulation aspect of the watch to glitch the Tomato’s form, or perhaps even reverting him from Elder back to a Base Form seedling…
The forcefield mentions reflecting physical AP, not heat. Something similar happened in the island ravengers tournament match against Marx, he had forcefields too, but given that Prime Tomato's heat was far above Marx's heat resistance, it would've melted through the shields. The same thing should happen to Red's shield due to the lack of heat resistance :0

I dont think the extraterrestrial bio watch would do too much good. Species in the cosmic refrigerator is the IRL equivalent of different human races, turning into his species or a different one would at best change your color and height lmao

The reverting back to different states isnt mentioned in the page at all-
 
I dont think the extraterrestrial bio watch would do too much good. Species in the cosmic refrigerator is the IRL equivalent of different human races, turning into his species or a different one would at best change your color and height lmao

The reverting back to different states isnt mentioned in the page at all-
True, I just assumed that, it can replicate Tomato’s abilities I think.

What happens if Red unleashed Pandora’s Box? Or using the emotional regulation gun?
 
True, I just assumed that, it can replicate Tomato’s abilities I think.
All of Prime Tomato's final form abilities come from Life Force. Life Force in The Cosmic Refrigerator is incredibly, incredibly hard to use, and is the 2nd hardest energy to use out of the 4. Even the various royals and high ranking individuals in chapter 1 cant use Chi yet, let alone life force. It would take Red Stickman a long time to figure out how to use life force :3

What happens if Red unleashed Pandora’s Box? Or using the emotional regulation gun?
From the description is looks like Pandora's box just kills everything once opened, leading to an incon result

As for the emotional regulation gun, he could absorb/dodge the laser. Even if hit, it's not like he'll still be friendly when he's socked in the face. Plus, it doesnt seem to be one of the first weapons he pulls out >:3
 
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