Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Electronic74947]

It's accepted for scaling it to fuga tho...

remove it

 

[Buraqibear]

remove it

I got it accepted why would I get it removed
How is it invalid tho

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

while you're here......ping tempest in that thread for me

Edited my message so it should ping him

 

[Electronic74947]

Edited my message so it should ping him

good boy


my plans in motion

 

[Electronic74947]

I got it accepted why would I get it removed
How is it invalid tho

it's the wheel disappearing after maho died.

 

[Zabazab]

Taking 0.75c as the low end for Dabura running, not even the kick itself, is quite interesting

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

good boy


my plans in motion

I should remove the ping just for that

 

[Buraqibear]

it's the wheel disappearing after maho died.

It's the wheel getting completely annihilated. The whel turns to shadows when Mahoraga disappears but Gojo completely destroyed the wheel. And the wheel persists for a bit after Maho dies typically

 

[ElJoaki5]

Taking 0.75c as the low end for Dabura running, not even the kick itself, is quite interesting

You think its higher or what?

 

[Electronic74947]

I should remove the ping just for that

oh come on don't act like you didn't like that~

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Because Gojo/Sukuna > Yuji.

Then we are done here

I do, just didn't think thats what you were referring to. It is though. His whole thing is for them to develop strength different from him, so I find it hard that statement solely refers to power, instead it more aligns with his idea of creating sorcerers different from him in strength but still leaders.

He didn't say leaders. He clearly talked about potential. That whole stuff about skills

More because he used more, not more because only he could use more. Sukuna can do the same and I've shown it, we've seen him use giant dismantles before also I forgot to mention that, this is just not enough to say Yuji's above.

Not the same count as Yuji ones

They aren't wielding swords so this analogy is already bad, but still as I said Sukuna's spammed multiple dismantles before. Can you show in the manga where it's stated precision is a factor in utilizing more dismantles?

They are not wielding sword but it's pretty much clear difference is big you can't just call 3 dismantle will have same output and power as 100s of dismantle from an individual with same technique you don't need everything to be written down when you can use general stuff to argue and interpret.

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

The upgrade thread is staff-only I can't derail it by filling it with distractions

Anyways there is no way to scale Yūji to the god tiers beyond headcanon. He has no feats and he has no statements. Gojo, Sukuna, or Dabura would blitz and one-shot Modulo Yūji if they wanted to.

Mahoraga was able to damage and keep up with Dabura, and Yuji scales above Mahoraga

 

[Electronic74947]

Mahoraga was able to damage and keep up with Dabura, and Yuji scales above Mahoraga

how does yuji upscale maho? Exactly

 

[Electronic74947]

You think its higher or what?

i think they meant the idea in general

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

how does yuji upscale maho? Exactly

Which of them is stated to be Japan’s deterrent/greatest fighting force?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

how does yuji upscale maho? Exactly

He doesn't need to scale above Maho

Dabura = Sukuna
Yuji = Dabura
There are enough statements.

 

[ElJoaki5]

"There are no statements" mfs when there actually are statements

 

[Electronic74947]

He doesn't need to scale above Maho

Dabura = Sukuna
Yuji = Dabura
There are enough statements.

yap yap all i hear are excuses

 

[Electronic74947]

"There are no statements" mfs when there actually are statements

feats are better than lore, see kratonks vs asura

 

[Electronic74947]

Which of them is stated to be Japan’s deterrent/greatest fighting force?

maho because he was beating dabura before he started flying away to simuria like superman

 

[Zabazab]

Mahoraga was able to damage and keep up with Dabura, and Yuji scales above Mahoraga

Makora can't be used for scaling beyond "one-shots Megumi" due to its ability. Its stats scale to whoever hits it.

Which of them is stated to be Japan’s deterrent/greatest fighting force?

Makora requires the death of a 16yo girl, one which can only be used on one or a few opponents, and is thus not considered a deterrent.

Not that I don't think Yūji loses to unadapted Makora, he was given a demonstration on how to defeat it by Sukuna after all.

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

maho because he was beating dabura before he started flying away to simuria like superman

I'm not sure if you're trolling or not, but Yuji is literally called a deterrent in the manga and Japan's greatest fighting force in the promo for Modulo volume 2.

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Its stats scale to whoever hits it.

Prove it

 

[Electronic74947]

I'm not sure if you're trolling or not, but Yuji is literally called a deterrent in the manga and Japan's greatest fighting force in the promo for Modulo volume 2.

trolling

 

[Electronic74947]

Makora can't be used for scaling beyond "one-shots Megumi" due to its ability. Its stats scale to whoever hits it.

Megumi survived that btw, best feat in the series

Makora requires the death of a 16yo girl, one which can only be used on one or a few opponents, and is thus not considered a deterrent.

I think the main point is preferring yuji to fight dabura than maho since they were more confident in yuji

 

[Mommyleona]

Its stats scale to whoever hits it.

prove it's stats adapt

 

[Zabazab]

Prove it

prove it's stats adapt

Jujutsu Kaisen Modulo chapter 19; Dabura grazes Makora's arm while using Light's speed amp, allowing Makora to adapt, and therefore a chunk of its flesh to survive the sublight kick. Thanks to that, Makora could regenerate and adapt again.

Megumi survived that btw, best feat in the series

Nah he entered suspended death and got saved by Sukuna.

 

[Electronic74947]

Jujutsu Kaisen Modulo chapter 19; Dabura grazes Makora's arm while using Light's speed amp, allowing Makora to adapt, and therefore a chunk of its flesh to survive the sublight kick. Thanks to that, Makora could regenerate and adapt again.


Nah he entered suspended death and got saved by Sukuna.

No? He just got knocked out and was dying, he was already weakened

 

[Electronic74947]

Jujutsu Kaisen Modulo chapter 19; Dabura grazes Makora's arm while using Light's speed amp, allowing Makora to adapt, and therefore a chunk of its flesh to survive the sublight kick. Thanks to that, Makora could regenerate and adapt again.

I think they meant pre LS kick

 

[Zabazab]

No? He just got knocked out and was dying, he was already weakened

It was suspended death as stated by Sukuna. You can just check that chapter. If not for the mechanics of the Ritual, Megumi would have died instantly.

I think they meant pre LS kick

What someone means and what someone says does not always align.

 

[Duedate8898]

Why is the Mountain Tier thread staff only?

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Why is the Mountain Tier thread staff only?

Pretty sure the last time we've tried to do high/top tier revisions or mountain level stuff it got derailed to hell and a staff thread had to be made anyways. Might as well just cut out the middle man

 

[Duedate8898]

I think it sets a poor precedent when most supporters can't interact with a thread without permission but okay.

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Jujutsu Kaisen Modulo chapter 19; Dabura grazes Makora's arm while using Light's speed amp, allowing Makora to adapt, and therefore a chunk of its flesh to survive the sublight kick. Thanks to that, Makora could regenerate and adapt again.

What does that have to do with Mahoraga adapting to Dabura's stats? Mahoraga can't be killed by something it’s already adapted to.
Even if that were true, the Mahoraga I’m talking about was still adapting to Dabura's light and it can’t adapt to two phenomena at once.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I think it sets a poor precedent when most supporters can't interact with a thread without permission but okay.

Fair, but it's a popular verse. Sometimes we can't have nice things

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

I think it sets a poor precedent when most supporters can't interact with a thread without permission but okay.

Fair enough, though the precedent for it is also there from the last time a mountain level thread was made and it was 10+ pages of just supporters memeing rather than actual discussion iirc

 

[Electronic74947]

I think it sets a poor precedent when most supporters can't interact with a thread without permission but okay.

I mean our supporters think kashimo is mountain level

 

[BiggestOpp]

1. That's IF Kamo doesn't block himself with blood. Regular Blood from Kamo < Regular Blood from Choso < Reinforced Blood < ISBODK Mahito physicals which is consistent with the fact that he notes that Curse Naoya isn't even as tough as Hanami. Naoya is just a bum please stop.

2. Naoya was not "flatning her for 5 minutes". If you mean the Human Naoya fight you are being genuinely disingenous and using a Maki that didn't have a way to counter or detect Naoya's PS until the very end and was LITERALLY WEAKENED AND SUFFERING OF BLOODLOSS from a fight even as far as OGI.

I’m not entertaining this nonsense. I’m right and ur wrong

She did, nice cope though.

Cap

It was not because he "Builds speed" it's because of a binding vow:

He literally says normally even regular blood manipulation would harm Curse Naoya which, shock, it does!

What’s your point? His Durability increases when he’s building speed via a binding vow.

Curse Naoya would genuinely lose to Mahito.

Troll

Bru

Cope

That's a suicide move, that'd be a draw, not a win.

Different standards. This is my list

Yuki would indeed lose to Yuta.

Doubt.

Literally just untrue but okay.

Sure

Naobito would beat no one in that "heavy hitters list" other than Mei Mei and Ko-Guy.

I disagree.

Speed advantage on who? A weakened Nanami when a FP Nanami got outpaced by BASE MAHITO? A grade 2 weakened Maki? Half-dead Naobito who wasn't even stronger tham Megumi? Which one? And firepower comparable to 5F Sukuna means nothing considering alot of people are superior to 5F Sukuna aswell lol.

He has speed comparable to Naobito, nuff said.

How does Uro hard counter Ryu but they were in an equally matched abilities deadlock for alot of time and could not beat one another until Yuta beat Dhruv which made Kurourushi make a move because he was at a disadvantage normally:

Deadlock just means it’d be a risk to fight each other so nobody made a move against each other.
I think Uro’s sky manipulation is pretty busted in close combat and against ranged attacks.

And the reason Yuta needed Uro in the first place was because he was weakened due to domain burnout by that point, normally he would not need it, we see him literally block a granite blast with his own hand and take one with barely any damage:

And regardless why would Yuta not be able to just spam sky manipulation by that point...? Are you saying your list just ignores that Shinjuku Yuta exists and uses Sendai Yuta?

I'm fine with hakari being physically stronger than Yuta but Yuta quite literally still wins via better speed, abilities and just better fighting skills/strategy. Yuta could honestly just domain + jacob's ladder alone and Hakari is literally dead, Kashimo literally points out the weakness of hakari is that if you just nuke his head/brain quick enough, he WILL die. But even if you don't believe that, Yuta will genuinely stall him until JP ends even better than Kashimo did. Hakari has 0 ways of beating Yuta, not even taking into account that he can just... you know... Rika????

Rika is as much of a non factor as she was against Ryu.
Hakari’s weakness being his head… is a non point. It’s as much as a weakness as it is to every other character in the series.
Yuta has one shot with his domain then he’s in CTB. I believe Hakari would get his domain off first.
Hakari is physically superior to Yuta. Yuta is not faster than Hakari.

Cmon man so did Kusakabe with Simple Domain and CHOSO.

Yuji literally says the two random curses that go to attack MeiMei were already stronger than the Grasshopper and Mei Mei still says they might be semi-grade 1. And Yuji by that point was still only equal to Nanami in raw striking power yet he was still superior to the Grasshopper. Only end of shibuya yuji gets strong enough to fight Mahito.

There’s many factors determining a curse’s grade.
Actually read the grasshopper fight. The only problem he had was his lack of skill, which even mei mei comments on. Grasshopper was going blow for blow with Yuji. Have you seen the fight?

Lemme give you some slop scaling rq.
Todo says Black flashes boost people to 120% potential temporarily. Though after a black flash they do keep a little bit of that extra strength, but’s it’s clear that the boost they gained isn’t as much as the 120% potential state.

If start of Shibuya Yuji is a 1, then post Shibuya Yuji is 1.7x stronger (he landed 3 black flashes).
But those are temporary boosts, meaning he’s even weaker than that. He was also equal to Yuta at that time, where it’s mentioned he was not only holding back, but still recovering.
So Yuji at that point is equal to Yuta, while being far less than 1.7x stronger than his beginning of Shibuya counterpart.
I can quite quantify how much smaller that number is but it’s important to note.

? JP Hakari won on literal fighting enviromental conditions

Not entertaining this

Hanami doesn't need domain to beat Dagon.

Dagon was overpowering Nanami who is = Shibuya Yuji> The Yuji that fought Hanami.
Dagon puts belt on Hanami.

Fought Kenjaku and took hits from Sukuna and even a black flash directly with FRSS. That alone puts them above him, dawg even beating Unstacked Naoya is a better feat than what the ones above him did.

Sukuna scaling is just nonsense for obvious reasons.
Beating Naoya was an outlier, even while unstacked.
You know I scale base Choso to Kenjaku right?

Fair enough, still special grade 1 so still above basically most of grade 1.

He’s weaker than Maki. Maki is weaker than no CE Yuji.

 

[Arkenis]

I’m not entertaining this nonsense. I’m right and ur wrong

Cap

What’s your point? His Durability increases when he’s building speed via a binding vow.

Troll

Cope

Different standards. This is my list

Doubt.

Sure

I disagree.

He has speed comparable to Naobito, nuff said.


Deadlock just means it’d be a risk to fight each other so nobody made a move against each other.
I think Uro’s sky manipulation is pretty busted in close combat and against ranged attacks.



Rika is as much of a non factor as she was against Ryu.
Hakari’s weakness being his head… is a non point. It’s as much as a weakness as it is to every other character in the series.
Yuta has one shot with his domain then he’s in CTB. I believe Hakari would get his domain off first.
Hakari is physically superior to Yuta. Yuta is not faster than Hakari.



There’s many factors determining a curse’s grade.
Actually read the grasshopper fight. The only problem he had was his lack of skill, which even mei mei comments on. Grasshopper was going blow for blow with Yuji. Have you seen the fight?

Lemme give you some slop scaling rq.
Todo says Black flashes boost people to 120% potential temporarily. Though after a black flash they do keep a little bit of that extra strength, but’s it’s clear that the boost they gained isn’t as much as the 120% potential state.

If start of Shibuya Yuji is a 1, then post Shibuya Yuji is 1.7x stronger (he landed 3 black flashes).
But those are temporary boosts, meaning he’s even weaker than that. He was also equal to Yuta at that time, where it’s mentioned he was not only holding back, but still recovering.
So Yuji at that point is equal to Yuta, while being far less than 1.7x stronger than his beginning of Shibuya counterpart.
I can quite quantify how much smaller that number is but it’s important to note.



Not entertaining this

Dagon was overpowering Nanami who is = Shibuya Yuji> The Yuji that fought Hanami.
Dagon puts belt on Hanami.


Sukuna scaling is just nonsense for obvious reasons.
Beating Naoya was an outlier, even while unstacked.
You know I scale base Choso to Kenjaku right?


He’s weaker than Maki. Maki is weaker than no CE Yuji.

boss man

 

[Zabazab]

What does that have to do with Mahoraga adapting to Dabura's stats? Mahoraga can't be killed by something it’s already adapted to.
Even if that were true, the Mahoraga I’m talking about was still adapting to Dabura's light and it can’t adapt to two phenomena at once.

Makora adapted to the simple brute strength of the sublight kick, meaning it adapts to stats.

And Makora can make multiple adaptations at once. It adapted to slashing attacks and started to use Cursed Energy to attack Sukuna simultaneously. Then there's also Makora's adaptation to multiple applications of Limitless progressing at once.