Downgrading the best MHS verse, Killer Peter

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Interesting.

 

[Crimsonobu]

The spiral blade has been used other times, yes but every other time it had been used, such statement was never present and rather they just went for the slash because few charecters apart from Simon can also use this but they never experienced the same thing.

i dont really get why youd repeat a statement that hypes up a technique after the first use. it was established on how it is (consistenly in simons eyes) when initially shown, and thats about it. i completely agree that its not a viable feat, you just need to rationalise it more. remaking a thread and including both of our reasonings while properly wording it would be the best case of action.

 

[BlackCat]

For now, all I can do is wait for the CGM to review this downgrade. Once this downgrade is settled, I’ll finally be able to start working on the speed scaling explanation page.

 

[Aksh_sky]

i dont really get why youd repeat a statement that hypes up a technique after the first use. it was established on how it is (consistenly in simons eyes) when initially shown, and thats about it. i completely agree that its not a viable feat, you just need to rationalise it more. remaking a thread and including both of our reasonings while properly wording it would be the best case of action.

I mean that is a hyperbole but still.

Lwk I don't see any reasons to remake this thread when all the arguments are already put down. Ig this one already has gotten enough reach and remaking it woild just get the probability down.

I don't see why a mod would actually disagree when I've given soo many reasons to downgrade the verse to subsonic.

Yes the wording is bad but i can just edit the OP anyways and I don't think so I'd need to do that either unless I'm asked for it specifically due to my words somehow being incoherent.

 

[Antvasima]

@DMUA @Dark-Carioca

I was asked to ping you here, since you accepted these calculations.

 

[DMUA]

Now idk how that happened and likely it's due to the bias supporters controlling the profile of the verse or the extremely lenient evaluation

You answer your own question just after this, in a sense

Now at first lemme give you some context behind this feat

I do not have the telepathy required to discern something like this is inconsistent with other showings in universe, and as much as my ID would enjoy the idea of just telling people "no" and roundhouse kicking them in the pelvis, not feeling up to it isn't very actionable for a calc group member beyond just choosing to not do anything (which would be rude if there was genuine validity)

Anyways that seems to be the crux of this issue so I don't have a lot to say, besides the fact I do not like Manhwa and will not be caught dead discussing 99% of them, especially with the jive-type rhetoric that often seems to be used in these threads. Unfollowing.

 

[Aksh_sky]

Bump

 

[Crimsonobu]

You answer your own question just after this, in a sense

I do not have the telepathy required to discern something like this is inconsistent with other showings in universe, and as much as my ID would enjoy the idea of just telling people "no" and roundhouse kicking them in the pelvis, not feeling up to it isn't very actionable for a calc group member beyond just choosing to not do anything (which would be rude if there was genuine validity)

Anyways that seems to be the crux of this issue so I don't have a lot to say, besides the fact I do not like Manhwa and will not be caught dead discussing 99% of them, especially with the jive-type rhetoric that often seems to be used in these threads. Unfollowing.

this "jive type" rhetoric is still a valid argument against currently accepted scaling and calculations. who cares if you dont like the language used, wont kill you to actually anwser if the downscale is valid or not instead of commeting passionate ramblings

 

[Aksh_sky]

Mods...can anyone please review ts.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

NGL only Theaddus seems to be the speed merchant inverse, especially reaction speed wise. Like in a recent chapter, he's shown to be able to effortlessly dodge bullets. He isn't incomprehensibly faster than everyone else but everyone inverse implies it's very disadvantageous to fight him, because he visually murks in speed.

 

[Aksh_sky]

NGL only Theaddus seems to be the speed merchant inverse, especially reaction speed wise. Like in a recent chapter, he's shown to be able to effortlessly dodge bullets. He isn't incomprehensibly faster than everyone else but everyone inverse implies it's very disadvantageous to fight him, because he visually murks in speed.

Dodging bullets doesn't automatically get you pass subsonic. I'm tired of repeating ts.

I'm js waiting for a mod to review ts atp.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

NGL only Theaddus seems to be the speed merchant inverse, especially reaction speed wise. Like in a recent chapter, he's shown to be able to effortlessly dodge bullets. He isn't incomprehensibly faster than everyone else but everyone inverse implies it's very disadvantageous to fight him, because he visually murks in speed.

As someone who reads The Manwha, I believe these guys are definitely not that fast frl. MHS is kinda too much of a stretch so I agree with the evidence presented. Imo, they shouldn't be much slower than sound/guns, to likely a bit faster

 

[BlackCat]

Mods...can anyone please review ts.

If the staff still haven’t come within 1–2 weeks, I might create a new thread myself. In that thread, I’ll include both the new scaling and the removal of speeds from HH to MHS.

 

[Aksh_sky]

As someone who reads The Manwha, I believe these guys are definitely not that fast frl. MHS is kinda too much of a stretch so I agree with the evidence presented. Imo, they shouldn't be much slower than sound/guns, to likely a bit faster

You should read the Alipede argument in that case.

 

[Aksh_sky]

If the staff still haven’t come within 1–2 weeks, I might create a new thread myself. In that thread, I’ll include both the new scaling and the removal of speeds from HH to MHS.

Ic, make sure to include all the points then that I've given in ts thread. Because nobody really gave me any proper arguments regarding why the verse should be higher than sonic speed.

 

[Aksh_sky]

Bump...

 

[Random-Helper323]

Anti-feats are usually not a solid grounds for downgrading. It seems most of the OP revolves around bullets being a threat and someone watching another guy on a camera. If the other guy was that fast it could explain the camera. Could the bullets be faster than real life bullets?

 

[Aksh_sky]

Anti-feats are usually not a solid grounds for downgrading. It seems most of the OP revolves around bullets being a threat and someone watching another guy on a camera. If the other guy was that fast it could explain the camera. Could the bullets be faster than real life bullets?

Well no, there's nothing providin that those bullets are faster, rather I've given clear scans of them carrying normal pistols. Also, her gun's speed was directly stated to be 400m/s, I've already showed ts in one of my scans.

Also, them being tracked on camera is a contradiction of that statement where it says Matthias is faster than camera but we see no basis for that statement but then see faster charecters getting tracked by camera and ecolocation, especially we do know that those cameras aren't ultra-slow motion cameras that were stated there and I've even provided evidence on why it can't be because Raphael won't spend that much putting that level of cameras for D rank killer's test.

The slow motion feat was an illusion while in the profile there's no feat above subsonic either apart from the ones I debunked.

This debunk doens't focus on anti feats solely but clear contradiction and disprovements of certain calcs.

Even the KP supporters seems to be agreeing on taking down the Matthias one while I've provided enough evidence on why the others should too because the Thaddeus calc got debunked due to the slow motion calc revision while the Simon one was him just hallucination. He literally swung swords in air like crazy.

 

[LogicAxiom46]

Anti-feats are usually not a solid grounds for downgrading. It seems most of the OP revolves around bullets being a threat and someone watching another guy on a camera. If the other guy was that fast it could explain the camera. Could the bullets be faster than real life bullets?

There is actually a scene that explains the speed of the bullet. The bullet travels about 4 kilometers in around 10 seconds, which means its speed is roughly 400 meters per second.
This speed is quite close to the speed of real-life firearm bullets, so the bullets in the series are not portrayed as unusually faster than normal. Because of that, the scene where bullets are still considered a threat can still be consistent with the feats that were shown previously.

 

[Random-Helper323]

There is actually a scene that explains the speed of the bullet. The bullet travels about 4 kilometers in around 10 seconds, which means its speed is roughly 400 meters per second.
This speed is quite close to the speed of real-life firearm bullets, so the bullets in the series are not portrayed as unusually faster than normal. Because of that, the scene where bullets are still considered a threat can still be consistent with the feats that were shown previously.

That's quite within the range of regular bullets, yes.

 

[Aksh_sky]

That's quite within the range of regular bullets, yes.

Do you agree with the downgrade? And if you have any other problems regarding the crt then please tell.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Do you agree with the downgrade? And if you have any other problems regarding the crt then please tell.

I'll see what others think, since I don't know the verse at all.

 

[Crimsonobu]

Anti-feats are usually not a solid grounds for downgrading. It seems most of the OP revolves around bullets being a threat and someone watching another guy on a camera. If the other guy was that fast it could explain the camera. Could the bullets be faster than real life bullets?

quite the contrary. they use regular weapondry and through deduction skills and statements one of the sniper bullets speeds comes down to 400m/s something the character considered a consistent threat and had to actively hide from and plan around

 

[Aksh_sky]

Bump...

 

[BlackCat]

Bump...Ig most people agree atp to ts crt so lwk ts should be concluded ig

The people who agreed are just regular members. For the thread to be accepted, it requires approval from 2–3 admins.

 

[Aksh_sky]

The people who agreed are just regular members. For the thread to be accepted, it requires approval from 2–3 admins.

Ikr. Just added because i didn't see much admin's agreement or disagreement, I'll still be patient for now.

 

[Aksh_sky]

Bump

 

[Swagment]

Unless u specify any actual valid and usable feat that can be calced. I don't see any point of your arguement. So please stop typing baseless arguments, I'm repeating again.

And idk why ur somehow asking ME the question when you have not given any basis to prove your premise in the first place.

This is vsbw, not reddit or discord so please stop wasting my time notifying me on these stuff.

If you really wanna disprove this downgrade then make a calc yourself and get it evaluated, then I'd attend to that component accordingly.

Ur literally just asking me to classify a hypothetical bullet dodging feat without context while giving no basis for your reasoning against my arguements.

Also, just another 'anti-feat'...these ain't even anti feats atp as it's js extremely consistent with the narritive:

So apparently Peter cannot dodge Matthew's PISTOL bullets. And Peter's priority was to get her fingers off the trigger rather than JUST FOCUSING ON THE BULLETS AND DODGING THEM SIMPLY.

Like genuinely idk how people are even defending him on not being slower than speed of sound atp.

Ig all these would be enough evidence to prove how this calc is an outlier due to faster charecters than Simon being consistently subsonic, both calc wise and narritively.

The top tiers of the verse needs guns even up close when they supposedly are argued to be supersonic.

The author genuinely has no idea about this Simon calc because be dk what slow motion and all that is as he nly had made it for hype for his speed but in reality, his own narritively consistent speed scaling IS NOT at that high level.
The consistency for subsonic speed narritively MASSIVELY overshadows this HHS+ calc as people to this point of the series still needs PISTOLS to beat Apostles.

Ig all these should be enough reasons to downgrade the verse to subsonic+.

this is not even the real translation, at least use the WEBTOON version.

 

[Aksh_sky]

this is not even the real translation, at least use the WEBTOON version.

What are you even talking about? Most of the scans I used uses the webtoons translation. For the others, the chapter's hasn't even released on webtoons because they are newer chapters. How do you expect me to get their translations?.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Anti-feats are usually not a solid grounds for downgrading.

Agree.

 

[Aksh_sky]

Agree.

Yes but my downgrade didn't replied on anti feats solely.

Also those anti feats cannot be even called anti feats knowing it's more consistent than the feats themselves and those hyperbolic statements used for calcs.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I'll see what others think, since I don't know the verse at all.

Understandable.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Yes but my downgrade didn't replied on anti feats solely.

Also those anti feats cannot be even called anti feats knowing it's more consistent than the feats themselves and those hyperbolic statements used for calcs.

I understand your point. I just think it’s important to consider both the feats and the statements together to get a clearer picture.

 

[Aksh_sky]

I understand your point. I just think it’s important to consider both the feats and the statements together to get a clearer picture.

I thought i explained the feats and statements in details in the OP. I can explain with better wordings if you want to.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I thought i explained the feats and statements in details in the OP. I can explain with better wordings if you want to.

It’s ok, the explanation in the OP looks good to me.

 

[Aksh_sky]

Bump

 

[Aksh_sky]

Bump...

 

[CatLover313]

Bump...

This might take a while. I've had my own CRT's and other threads take up to 3 months before

 

[Aksh_sky]

Bump

 

[Aksh_sky]

Bump