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SOMEHOW the Killer Peter verse is MHS in the vsbw profile... Now idk how that happened and likely it's due to the bias supporters controlling the profile of the verse or the extremely lenient evaluation but the fact is that the top calcs of verse either uses statements or slow motion formula which has been debunked in a crt.
Anyways my prime motive here would be to debunk 3 calcs but primarily the Matthias calc, this one.
Now at first lemme give you some context behind this feat or i should say, statement. Though I'm a bit bad at wording and explaining stuff so don't mind me but anyways I'll be trying my best to explain the context:
According to these scans, which ways that "Matthias's sleigh of hand is lighting fast, to the point that even an ultra-slow motion camera cannot capture it". Now with the context of this statement known the calc was made and the results got around Mach 500. But there's the thing, the statement was NEVER backed up with a real footage or anything but rather a literal hyperbole was made just prior to this statment. We were never given the full context or evidence on wether Matthias's flicks could really be captured or not but even after that this statement was calced and him throwing the grenades was correlated to other charecter's speed rather than limiting that statement to just his flicking speed that was supposed to be intended by the author. So basically this made the combat and reaction of all Apostle levels MHS.
Now with the context known, I'll contraidct and list various inconsistency regarding this speed.
Part 1: Contradiction of this statement.
Now anyone knowledgeable with KP in-verse would obviously know that Thaddeus is literally shown to be the peak of speed in the verse. And Thaddeus is literally faster than Matthias and Peter while Peter defeated Matthias and according to the calc, it scales above his hand sleigh speed. So apparently according to the calc results, KP obviously covered more distance in that timeframe than it would take Matthias to flick and the basis for the statement we're using is that them being unable to capture in an "Ultra-slow motion camera". So logically both peter and ofc Thaddeus should scale legues above this statement that is used as a basis to scale the verse to MHS which is them not being captured in a ultra slow motion camera.
But... Rapehal was literally actively watching 2 apostles fight ON A NORMAL CAMERA. THAT WAS NEVER STATED TO BE SLOW MOTION CAMERAS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Now Peter clearly admitted inferiority to Thaddeus in terms of speed and said he only won due to experience so logically Thaddeus is faster than Peter. Now in the camera Thaddeus was LITERALLY USING HIS TOP STRONGEST ATTACKS WHILE RAPHAEL WAS WATCHING THE WHOLE THING.
Raphael also watched the ENTIRE fight and stated that Thaddeus is the fastest and nobody could match his speed and obviously Matthias aswell because Raphael knows Matthias. He watched the entire fight through the cctv cameras that was spread throughout the whole island meaning there must be thousands of cameras in there. So unless you think Raphael has enough money to buy thousands of ultra slow motion cameras, the the statement gets pretty much BADLY contradicted, and ngl... I don't think so Raphael is filling the Island with hundreds or thousands of ultra slow motion cameras because bro was literally complaining about Philip breaking a metal door which deffinately would be FAR less expensive than buying thousands of ultra slow motion cameras. Hell there's even official stats for Thaddeus and Matthias where Thaddeus is as expected, far faster than Matthias, so his serious attacks would upscale from seigh of hand, making my arguement even more concrete.
And even if we consider that, that camera is an ultra slow motion camera, that'll still be invalid and contradictory because Raphael was watching them on real time and even if we assume his perception scales to those fast moving frames, IT'LL STILL BE CONTRADICTORY BECAUSE PETER IS SUPPOSED TO BE LEAGUES FASTER THAN AN ULTRA SLOW MOTION CAMERA. The Matthias statement LITERALLY states that NOT EVEN ULTRA-SLOW MOTION CAMERA could capture his motion, but somehow a supposedly normal camera is capturing them. Even if its not, still it being able to capture them without any evidence about that camera being something ultra high tech or some light speed camera or anything with more fps than what was calced or stated prior, it'll be still considered contradictory and the statament would consider invalid due to LNC, since the statement has no footage or evidence regarding it's validity.
Edit 3: I found more contradictions to this.
1.Apparently... Jiwoon and the gang was watching the whole Thaddeus(fastest guy in KP) vs Nathaniel(strongest guy in KP) fight LIVE on camera where Thaddeus was clearly using his FP. And Jiwoon is literally broke and can't even afford ultra slow motion cameras
2. Same thing with Peter vs Andreas fight there Jiwoon(ik she's blind but I'm reffering to others) and the gang were clearly watching the whole fight where Andreas even used his strongest attack 'Hanuman Sok'.
Part 2: Holy inconsistencies... ALLAT for an MHS verse.
Lets go through all one by one:
1. Thaddeus is soo much MHS that he was literally being hyped for having a lesser reaction time than 0.1 second with no implications being there that his reaction time is far lesser than 0.1 seconds. Like the statement literally hypes him for having equal or slightly lesser reaction time than 0.1 seconds. So basically my favorite MHS top tier speedster of the verse has more reaction time than a fckn cat
, ALLAT for a peak human reaction speed. Deffinately shows how consistent and reliable the KP speed stataments are.
2. This one is from the latest chapter, Phillip a Top Tier who went against Killer Peter carrie's around a pistol to fight other apostles. Bro DEFFINATELY needs that pistol even though he supposedly could just throw the pistor faster than the bullets according to the KP profile.
3. I forgot his name but he's an Apostle too and acted as if dodging bullets are so impressive for MHS charecters. "No humans can dodge bullets like that"... Said by another MHS charecter.
4. Apparently our MHS king, Killer Peter cannot dodge a shotgun from close range. And recoil of Shotgun might bounce back on him even though if he had really fast movement speed.
Now kinda off topic, but a verse which gets frequently compared to the KP verse, the PTJ verse has low tier fodder charecters who are being stated to easily dodge shotgun bullets from close range while that's the least expected from them, like Sean. And lemme tell you, pre-training Sean is NOWHERE near Olly Wang's level, who is literally like one of the earliest villians of Lookism who died in the same arc and his growth thus ofc stopped making him a low tier bum in-verse. And just to make it clear that, the Lookism verse or the PTJ verse caps at supersonic on vsbw profile. And the only times you'll see them getting tagged by bullets would be when they are extremely injured.
5. Another apostle literally couldn't react and was getting tagged by Matthew(another high tier apostle) using a sniper on him at close range while he was actively on guard and was trying to avoid him and had both Night Vision and echolocation. MHS SUPREMACY.
6. Bum couldn't even dodge a fckin finger pistol while wearing a camouflage suit. How peak an MHS verse gotta be when one of the villians in the main villian group who is supposed to be a threat uses fkcin guns to fight.
7. Some high tier dude gets freaked out cause he can't dodge bullets in a narrow hallway...even though hallway is enough to hold 5 people standing sideways. We get it bro... y'all MHS bums are too tuff to dodge bullets.
Ik this crt sounded more like ranting and slandering than serious debunks but i can't help when bs gets accepted effortlessly without even a proper evaluation done by people opposing the series while being knowledgeable.
Edit: I'll add a few more inconsistencies in the OP so it becomes easier to track for the mods. Though a more detailed explaining is there in the replies.
1. Killer Peter charecters literally cannot move faster than sound. This is due to Alpiede Echolocation, Alpiede uses this in battle which allows him to detect other peoples attack that is coming towards him. Alpiede who was born blind managed to literally transcend the limitations of echolocation meaning the sound literally acts as normal vision for him, or in basic words... He literally SEES THROUGH SOUND.
Charecters like Peter can be tracked through ecolocation which goes to an object and bounces back which means the overall timeframe for them to get tagged by an ecolocation user would be AT MOST half the speed of sound. And Peter was literally struggling against half the speed of sound and needed to add another wavelength to the sound rather than just going faster than sound which he should apparently and supposedly be able to do EASILY according to those HHS, HHS+ and MHS calcs.
(More detailed explaination regarding this can be found in the replies since I don't wanna put TOO much efforts on adding this and explaining ts to the OP, and rather just wanna point out more inconsistencies which is discussed in more details in the replies.)
2.So apparently Peter cannot dodge Matthew's PISTOL bullets. And Peter's priority was to get her fingers off the trigger rather than JUST FOCUSING ON THE BULLETS AND DODGING THEM SIMPLY.
In fact, Peter was literally struggling to dodge the bullets that was being shot at him from 4KM AWAY WHILE STAYING IN A CLOSED ROOM AND EACH BULLETS TOOK 10 WHOLE SECONDS TO REACH HIM. This means that the bullets are no faster than 400m/s and uk what's the worst part?
That is, Peter knows everything about the gun, bullet, distance and even the timing but yet is struggling to dodge a bullet while having 10 whole seconds to react.
Its not like the bullet would change it's trajectory mid path or something. All he needs is to estimate and predict when she'll fire the bullet and then simply just move away.
But it gets EVEN WORSE, because... Peter doesn't even have confidence to dodge TEN SECONDS DELAYED SHOTS and thinks that, if he goes out of the house then it IS A DEATH SENTENCE for him.
That means... He's scared of getting shot by a sniper, who's muzzle velocity is no greater than 400m/s WHILE THE BULLETS ARE 10 WHOLE SECONDS DELAYED and he is fully aware of it.
Like that's GENUINELY CRAZY for even a subsonic+ charecter.
Part 3: The rest 2 HHS calcs
So on this calc, it should easily be disproved due to the latest crt made regarding the slow motion calcs and also due to the fact that this calc assumes FTE speed without any basis when clearly a lowballed value is supposed to be assumed in a slow motion calculation + The knife in the second panel is clearly appears to be far higher than the first one. Now with this debunked,
This one should also get debunked due to it now being an outlier because of it being HHS+ when literally all the other calcs of the verse caps at subsonic+.
Edit 2: Apparently this feat also gets debunked because Simon was literally hallucinating all these. I've debunked this in one of my replies below, so please check that out because I don't wanna repeat all that again.
Part 4: Conclusion
With all that being said, the verse should be downgraded to subsonic+ due to the verse's scaling being extremely inconsistent and that being the only consistent speed tier for the verse. And if not then the wank calcs should deffinately be removed from the Killer Peter profile.
Anyways my prime motive here would be to debunk 3 calcs but primarily the Matthias calc, this one.
Now at first lemme give you some context behind this feat or i should say, statement. Though I'm a bit bad at wording and explaining stuff so don't mind me but anyways I'll be trying my best to explain the context:
According to these scans, which ways that "Matthias's sleigh of hand is lighting fast, to the point that even an ultra-slow motion camera cannot capture it". Now with the context of this statement known the calc was made and the results got around Mach 500. But there's the thing, the statement was NEVER backed up with a real footage or anything but rather a literal hyperbole was made just prior to this statment. We were never given the full context or evidence on wether Matthias's flicks could really be captured or not but even after that this statement was calced and him throwing the grenades was correlated to other charecter's speed rather than limiting that statement to just his flicking speed that was supposed to be intended by the author. So basically this made the combat and reaction of all Apostle levels MHS.
Now with the context known, I'll contraidct and list various inconsistency regarding this speed.
Part 1: Contradiction of this statement.
Now anyone knowledgeable with KP in-verse would obviously know that Thaddeus is literally shown to be the peak of speed in the verse. And Thaddeus is literally faster than Matthias and Peter while Peter defeated Matthias and according to the calc, it scales above his hand sleigh speed. So apparently according to the calc results, KP obviously covered more distance in that timeframe than it would take Matthias to flick and the basis for the statement we're using is that them being unable to capture in an "Ultra-slow motion camera". So logically both peter and ofc Thaddeus should scale legues above this statement that is used as a basis to scale the verse to MHS which is them not being captured in a ultra slow motion camera.
But... Rapehal was literally actively watching 2 apostles fight ON A NORMAL CAMERA. THAT WAS NEVER STATED TO BE SLOW MOTION CAMERAS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Now Peter clearly admitted inferiority to Thaddeus in terms of speed and said he only won due to experience so logically Thaddeus is faster than Peter. Now in the camera Thaddeus was LITERALLY USING HIS TOP STRONGEST ATTACKS WHILE RAPHAEL WAS WATCHING THE WHOLE THING.
Raphael also watched the ENTIRE fight and stated that Thaddeus is the fastest and nobody could match his speed and obviously Matthias aswell because Raphael knows Matthias. He watched the entire fight through the cctv cameras that was spread throughout the whole island meaning there must be thousands of cameras in there. So unless you think Raphael has enough money to buy thousands of ultra slow motion cameras, the the statement gets pretty much BADLY contradicted, and ngl... I don't think so Raphael is filling the Island with hundreds or thousands of ultra slow motion cameras because bro was literally complaining about Philip breaking a metal door which deffinately would be FAR less expensive than buying thousands of ultra slow motion cameras. Hell there's even official stats for Thaddeus and Matthias where Thaddeus is as expected, far faster than Matthias, so his serious attacks would upscale from seigh of hand, making my arguement even more concrete.
And even if we consider that, that camera is an ultra slow motion camera, that'll still be invalid and contradictory because Raphael was watching them on real time and even if we assume his perception scales to those fast moving frames, IT'LL STILL BE CONTRADICTORY BECAUSE PETER IS SUPPOSED TO BE LEAGUES FASTER THAN AN ULTRA SLOW MOTION CAMERA. The Matthias statement LITERALLY states that NOT EVEN ULTRA-SLOW MOTION CAMERA could capture his motion, but somehow a supposedly normal camera is capturing them. Even if its not, still it being able to capture them without any evidence about that camera being something ultra high tech or some light speed camera or anything with more fps than what was calced or stated prior, it'll be still considered contradictory and the statament would consider invalid due to LNC, since the statement has no footage or evidence regarding it's validity.
Edit 3: I found more contradictions to this.
1.Apparently... Jiwoon and the gang was watching the whole Thaddeus(fastest guy in KP) vs Nathaniel(strongest guy in KP) fight LIVE on camera where Thaddeus was clearly using his FP. And Jiwoon is literally broke and can't even afford ultra slow motion cameras
2. Same thing with Peter vs Andreas fight there Jiwoon(ik she's blind but I'm reffering to others) and the gang were clearly watching the whole fight where Andreas even used his strongest attack 'Hanuman Sok'.
Part 2: Holy inconsistencies... ALLAT for an MHS verse.
Lets go through all one by one:
1. Thaddeus is soo much MHS that he was literally being hyped for having a lesser reaction time than 0.1 second with no implications being there that his reaction time is far lesser than 0.1 seconds. Like the statement literally hypes him for having equal or slightly lesser reaction time than 0.1 seconds. So basically my favorite MHS top tier speedster of the verse has more reaction time than a fckn cat
, ALLAT for a peak human reaction speed. Deffinately shows how consistent and reliable the KP speed stataments are.2. This one is from the latest chapter, Phillip a Top Tier who went against Killer Peter carrie's around a pistol to fight other apostles. Bro DEFFINATELY needs that pistol even though he supposedly could just throw the pistor faster than the bullets according to the KP profile.
3. I forgot his name but he's an Apostle too and acted as if dodging bullets are so impressive for MHS charecters. "No humans can dodge bullets like that"
... Said by another MHS charecter.4. Apparently our MHS king, Killer Peter cannot dodge a shotgun from close range. And recoil of Shotgun might bounce back on him even though if he had really fast movement speed.
Now kinda off topic, but a verse which gets frequently compared to the KP verse, the PTJ verse has low tier fodder charecters who are being stated to easily dodge shotgun bullets from close range while that's the least expected from them, like Sean. And lemme tell you, pre-training Sean is NOWHERE near Olly Wang's level, who is literally like one of the earliest villians of Lookism who died in the same arc and his growth thus ofc stopped making him a low tier bum in-verse. And just to make it clear that, the Lookism verse or the PTJ verse caps at supersonic on vsbw profile. And the only times you'll see them getting tagged by bullets would be when they are extremely injured.
5. Another apostle literally couldn't react and was getting tagged by Matthew(another high tier apostle) using a sniper on him at close range while he was actively on guard and was trying to avoid him and had both Night Vision and echolocation. MHS SUPREMACY.
6. Bum couldn't even dodge a fckin finger pistol while wearing a camouflage suit. How peak an MHS verse gotta be when one of the villians in the main villian group who is supposed to be a threat uses fkcin guns to fight.
7. Some high tier dude gets freaked out cause he can't dodge bullets in a narrow hallway...even though hallway is enough to hold 5 people standing sideways. We get it bro... y'all MHS bums are too tuff to dodge bullets.
Ik this crt sounded more like ranting and slandering than serious debunks but i can't help when bs gets accepted effortlessly without even a proper evaluation done by people opposing the series while being knowledgeable.
Edit: I'll add a few more inconsistencies in the OP so it becomes easier to track for the mods. Though a more detailed explaining is there in the replies.
1. Killer Peter charecters literally cannot move faster than sound. This is due to Alpiede Echolocation, Alpiede uses this in battle which allows him to detect other peoples attack that is coming towards him. Alpiede who was born blind managed to literally transcend the limitations of echolocation meaning the sound literally acts as normal vision for him, or in basic words... He literally SEES THROUGH SOUND.
Charecters like Peter can be tracked through ecolocation which goes to an object and bounces back which means the overall timeframe for them to get tagged by an ecolocation user would be AT MOST half the speed of sound. And Peter was literally struggling against half the speed of sound and needed to add another wavelength to the sound rather than just going faster than sound which he should apparently and supposedly be able to do EASILY according to those HHS, HHS+ and MHS calcs.
(More detailed explaination regarding this can be found in the replies since I don't wanna put TOO much efforts on adding this and explaining ts to the OP, and rather just wanna point out more inconsistencies which is discussed in more details in the replies.)
2.So apparently Peter cannot dodge Matthew's PISTOL bullets. And Peter's priority was to get her fingers off the trigger rather than JUST FOCUSING ON THE BULLETS AND DODGING THEM SIMPLY.
In fact, Peter was literally struggling to dodge the bullets that was being shot at him from 4KM AWAY WHILE STAYING IN A CLOSED ROOM AND EACH BULLETS TOOK 10 WHOLE SECONDS TO REACH HIM. This means that the bullets are no faster than 400m/s and uk what's the worst part?
That is, Peter knows everything about the gun, bullet, distance and even the timing but yet is struggling to dodge a bullet while having 10 whole seconds to react.
Its not like the bullet would change it's trajectory mid path or something. All he needs is to estimate and predict when she'll fire the bullet and then simply just move away.
But it gets EVEN WORSE, because... Peter doesn't even have confidence to dodge TEN SECONDS DELAYED SHOTS and thinks that, if he goes out of the house then it IS A DEATH SENTENCE for him.
That means... He's scared of getting shot by a sniper, who's muzzle velocity is no greater than 400m/s WHILE THE BULLETS ARE 10 WHOLE SECONDS DELAYED and he is fully aware of it.
Like that's GENUINELY CRAZY for even a subsonic+ charecter.
Part 3: The rest 2 HHS calcs
So on this calc, it should easily be disproved due to the latest crt made regarding the slow motion calcs and also due to the fact that this calc assumes FTE speed without any basis when clearly a lowballed value is supposed to be assumed in a slow motion calculation + The knife in the second panel is clearly appears to be far higher than the first one. Now with this debunked,
This one should also get debunked due to it now being an outlier because of it being HHS+ when literally all the other calcs of the verse caps at subsonic+.
Edit 2: Apparently this feat also gets debunked because Simon was literally hallucinating all these. I've debunked this in one of my replies below, so please check that out because I don't wanna repeat all that again.
Part 4: Conclusion
With all that being said, the verse should be downgraded to subsonic+ due to the verse's scaling being extremely inconsistent and that being the only consistent speed tier for the verse. And if not then the wank calcs should deffinately be removed from the Killer Peter profile.
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. The calc of him literally cutting a bullet is subsonic.
