Resident Evil: Wesker Lifting Strength Upgrade

[JDN9999]

I think there is justification to Wesker being Class M, let me explain:

Wesker is stated to exceed the strength of a completed B.O.W:

BIOHAZARD 5 Kaitai Shinsho

BIOHAZARD 5 Kaitai Shinsho (バイオハザード5 解体真書) ※ Revised Edition information also included.

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The Malacoda Whale was calculated at Class M here:

Resident Evil: Large Size GPE blog

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This matters because in the Malacoda Development Materials file in Rev1, it is referred to as a B.O.W

Transcript here: https://www.evilresource.com/resident-evil-revelations/files/malacoda-development-materials

In addition, in Uroboros Form, Wesker is stated as being above anything Chris and Sheva had faced before, Chris having faced the Malacoda + Aheri which was calculated to Class M in that same thread

Virus Uroboros

Le virus Uroboros était un virus à ARN dérivé du Progenitor.[1] Créé par Albert Wesker, les recherches étant financées par Excella Gionne, PDG de la division Africaine de TRICELL, Inc.[2]. Le virus est connu pour avoir traversé trois étapes de développement - deux supervisées par Albert Wesker...

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This should give atleast Uroboros Wesker Class M Lifting Strength, likely for Post-Virus Wesker aswell

EDIT:

Resident Evil: Ndesu grabs a boulder

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This new calculation hasn't been accepted yet, though if it is, it should reinforce Class M for Post-Virus Wesker

 

[Dalesean027]

Right but do we have any evidence this in reference to his Lifting strength specifcally? Also applying this to scale to the weight of the whale specifcally is very iffy as whales themself don't even lift their own body weight underwater as they are naturally buoyant

 

[Dalesean027]

Can you post it then as without it its certainly a reach to say he scales to its fully weight outside of water when it doesn't fully scale itself

 

[Da3ggman]

I suppose something like this could work for a possibly, since it doesn't technically outright say that "Oh yeah Wesker can bench way more than these fraud BOW's lol". But, as Dale said, you'd need to iron out all the math stuff related to the Malcoda's buoyancy, and worst comes to worst, you could just use the Aheri lifting strength.

 

[JDN9999]

Right but do we have any evidence this in reference to his Lifting strength specifcally? Also applying this to scale to the weight of the whale specifcally is very iffy as whales themself don't even lift their own body weight underwater as they are naturally buoyant

Wesker is stated to possess physical aptitude far exceeding a Perfect B.O.W. Malacoda is a B.O.W, albeit isn't even a perfect B.O.W let alone being above one, meaning Wesker would be far stronger. Secondly there is no reason for us to say it doesn't refer to his lifting strength as the statement is explicity referring to his physical aptitude, this can be supported by the statement going on to say "indomitable strength".


Also, If we take a look at the scene in RE:Revelations, Malacoda throws one of his tentacles on the deck, resulting the chopper's destruction and then lifts his own body up and faces Chris and Jill. He must support his own weight in order to lift himself up otherwise he would be stuck down there.

Whales are blubber, which is less dense than water, provides buoyancy, similar to how a wetsuit helps a surfer float. T-Abyss virus changes the cellular build of the organic being. Hence creating a tough shell on his body. Don't really think we can apply buoyancy on that whale. I should also mention that buoyancy can be applied when the whales wants to float on water, not when they want to lift their own body when they are above water as they are no longer in water

 

[Dalesean027]

Hm then I'll this can work as a likely or possibly rating

 

[JDN9999]

Hm then I'll this can work as a likely or possibly rating

Mb for asking, still kinda confused because I'm new, do I have the perms to edit Wesker's page assuming this has been accepted?

 

[Dalesean027]

Mb for asking, still kinda confused because I'm new, do I have the perms to edit Wesker's page assuming this has been accepted?

No you will need either another thread mod or a admin to evaluate the thread as well

 

[JDN9999]

No you will need either another thread mod or a admin to evaluate the thread as well

Alright

 

[Purgy]

It seems like quite a reach to me to say that human sized Wesker is out-lifting a two hundred meter tall monster, especially since I don't recall Wesker having any physical feats even a fraction as good.

The statement doesn't even say that he has physical aptitude exceeding all B.O.W's either, rather, the statement appears to just be talking about general perfected B.O.W level, and a two hundred tall B.O.W is definitely an anomaly.

 

[JDN9999]

It seems like quite a reach to me to say that human sized Wesker is out-lifting a two hundred meter tall monster, especially since I don't recall Wesker having any physical feats even a fraction as good.

The statement doesn't even say that he has physical aptitude exceeding all B.O.W's either, rather, the statement appears to just be talking about general perfected B.O.W level, and a two hundred tall B.O.W is definitely an anomaly.

The statement is talking about how even a perfect B.O.W would get outmatched by Wesker in strength. Perfect per definition means :
"Having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be."

So this is a trait that we can't just grant everyone randomly unless there is a statement for it. I can't just go and say B.O.W X is perfect and has no flaws. So logically we should assume that Malacoda is not a perfect B.O.W, and even if we assume he is, he doesn't have physical aptitude above a perfect B.O.W, unlike Wesker

Apparent Mass doesn't equal physical strength at all. Chris by all means is more muscular than Wesker and yet he gets outmatched easily by Wesker, Leon is not muscular as Krauser and he is still capable of keeping up and overpowering him and matching him. As a matter of fact, this happens in real life asw. Bodybuilders usually try to focus on their body mass while powerlifters focuse on maximizing their strength, but a powerlifter doesn't necessarily have to have more mass than a body builder to be more powerful than him

Wesker > Perfect B.O.W > B.O.Ws, This has been the case in RE so many times

 

[Leon_SsS_K4nnedy]

Аgree, seems clear to me

 

[Pyro9278]

Why was this never accepted?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Bump (why does no one care for it?)

 

[Dalesean027]

Just ask staff on their wall or use thread promotions page

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Just ask staff on their wall or use thread promotions page

Ok, I will ask a staff member to participate here.

 

[JDN9999]

Bump

 

[JDN9999]

I've added the link to a new calculation to the original post, it's yet to be accepted, but figured it fits here

 

[James11221]

Hm then I'll this can work as a likely or possibly rating

Aheri's are not Bow
Aheri isn't manufactured, distributed, or sold, therefore it doesn't fall under the definition of a bow. This also disregards the bow statements as well as it shows irregular mutants and bows are different, this implies aheri, malacoda and duvall are not bows
The original statement of wesker being stronger than bows came before re6 and og games are not cannon to the new ones as if that were the case then re3r jill pushed nemesis off a bridge which happened in a og game, meaning wesker is not stronger than a bow from the remakes

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Ok, I will ask a staff member to participate here.

No one came...

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Aheri's are not Bow
Aheri isn't manufactured, distributed, or sold, therefore it doesn't fall under the definition of a bow. This also disregards the bow statements as well as it shows irregular mutants and bows are different, this implies aheri, malacoda and duvall are not bows
The original statement of wesker being stronger than bows came before re6 and og games are not cannon to the new ones as if that were the case then re3r jill pushed nemesis off a bridge which happened in a og game, meaning wesker is not stronger than a bow from the remakes

This is wrong.
B.O.W literally means "Bio Organic Weapon"
It is a strain from the Progenitor Virus, which is named because it is the progenitor, i.e. where all the other viruses (T, G, and especially Uroboros) originate. They're all based on the Progenitor strain.
So, yes, by all means, Aheri is considered a B.O.W
Wesker, pre-Uroboros, was described as having physical stats far exceeding a perfected B.O.W in RE5, which is the game Aheri is from. This statement almost comes after Aheri is already mentioned, and thus would 100% apply to Wesker pre-Uroboros.
That statement also doesn't say anything other than glaze Wesker for having superior strength to BOW's in human form.

Wesker would also ragdoll anything from the Remakes, let's not try and entertain that conversation at all.

 

[Kellex]

Bump

 

[AguilaR202]

It makes more sense to me to scale Wesker to Ndesu than to the giant 50+ meter tall BOWs, LS wise, they don’t have applicable LS, they get it by virtue of size.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

It makes more sense to me to scale Wesker to Ndesu than to the giant 50+ meter tall BOWs, LS wise, they don’t have applicable LS, they get it by virtue of size.

Wesker's statements come after those giant BoW's are introduced. And he's shown superiority to them in practically every regard, whether it's taking Rocket Launchers (the bane of RE bosses), bullying the shit out of the main cast, or anything in-between.

 

[Kellex]

Bump

 

[Random-Helper323]

It honestly seems like an issue to scale him above an enemy the size of a building solely for a statement about being superior, given huge monsters are obviously going to have weaknesses due to their size. This is even more so for lifting strength. I'd be more willing to accept it for AP or durability.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

It honestly seems like an issue to scale him above an enemy the size of a building solely for a statement about being superior, given huge monsters are obviously going to have weaknesses due to their size. This is even more so for lifting strength. I'd be more willing to accept it for AP or durability.

It does mention that he's straight-up physically superior to these guys, who aren't even listed as "perfected B.O.W's".
Even after the introduction of gargantuan B.O.W's like Uroboros Aheri, the game's files are just like "Yeah, Wesker pre-Uroboros is just stronger."

 

[Random-Helper323]

It does mention that he's straight-up physically superior to these guys, who aren't even listed as "perfected B.O.W's".
Even after the introduction of gargantuan B.O.W's like Uroboros Aheri, the game's files are just like "Yeah, Wesker pre-Uroboros is just stronger."

Yes, but it's still difficult when comparing lifting strength with something that large, especially when comparing to its lifting strength via its own huge mass.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Yes, but it's still difficult when comparing lifting strength with something that large, especially when comparing to its lifting strength via its own huge mass.

That's fair, but it also IS the only "stat comparison" we're given. Plus that "physical aptitude" is what's mentioned in said comparison.

 

[Random-Helper323]

That's fair, but it also IS the only "stat comparison" we're given. Plus that "physical aptitude" is what's mentioned in said comparison.

It doesn't help that the lifting strength is for lifting its own weight, and the fact that Wesker's current lifting strength is Class 25 doesn't help either.

This is a Possibly at most, but at the moment I'll be neutral on the Possibly and disagree with a solid rating based on it. I'll think about the context of the rest of the verse some more. The fact that Wesker has any trouble with Chris who struggled greatly with that boulder feat isn't doing him any favours here either, to be honest.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

It doesn't help that the lifting strength is for lifting its own weight, and the fact that Wesker's current lifting strength is Class 25 doesn't help either.

Well, the wording here is aptitude, which when looking up the definition means like "natural talent". So their natural strength. And Wesker's been noted to be stronger than that.

This is a Possibly at most, but at the moment I'll be neutral on the Possibly and disagree with a solid rating based on it. I'll think about the context of the rest of the verse some more. The fact that Wesker has any trouble with Chris who struggled greatly with that boulder feat isn't doing him any favours here either, to be honest.

Wesker didn't struggle with Chris and Sheva at all prior to being literally poisoned with his own powers, but even then he managed to stomp them in their encounters. Wesker's biggest weakness was his arrogance, he genuinely believed that he'd win no matter what, and so he toyed with his food.
But he effortlessly stopped Chris' full-power charges, caught his punches, and rolled them even in a 2-on-1 on multiple occasions.

 

[Legion350]

I think it could work as a possibly. My problem is that Wesker currently doesn’t have any feats near this level of Lifting Strength, and these are all GPE from Giant creatures.

As others have mentioned the description of “physical aptitude” is kinda vague, and the most specific thing said about his strength is his ability to easily pierce through the human body, which seems to apply imply his striking power is greater rather than the idea he can lift more than a creature colossally bigger than him.

That being said, I think a possibly could work. If the Ndesu calc is accepted I might be more open to him being Class M outright.

 

[SebasRayado]

Aheri's are not Bow
Aheri isn't manufactured, distributed, or sold, therefore it doesn't fall under the definition of a bow. This also disregards the bow statements as well as it shows irregular mutants and bows are different, this implies aheri, malacoda and duvall are not bows
The original statement of wesker being stronger than bows came before re6 and og games are not cannon to the new ones as if that were the case then re3r jill pushed nemesis off a bridge which happened in a og game, meaning wesker is not stronger than a bow from the remakes

What I just read is ridiculous. First of all, any organism derived from the Progenitor Virus, or from any biological specimen capable of infecting others, is considered a B.O.W.; this isn’t even debatable. Second, this is the biggest nonsense I’ve read. The original games are canonical, just like the remakes. This isn’t some statement I made up—it’s a statement from former Capcom producer Peter Fabiano.