Remembered this and went back to Meteor Base zone out of curiosity, and unless I'm blind, I don't recall seeing Earth on it, like, at all. Even when the camera pans up and down. There's something that looks like the sun at the first act but that's about it.
Isn't that the moon?
I don't assume it is? It's colored blue as opposed to the moon seen in sky park and looks slightly different, which could be stylistic choice since stars are colored blue as well, but we can also see very tiny white stars in the background of Meteor Base zone. But either way I also wouldn't say that Eggman Nega's base was millions of light years away (that's for Egg Destroyer) but it was far enough away from Earth that it's not visible from most angles, which could be a good speed feat
Our standards on those types of abilities have changed so that the "dimensional level" of MOST hax don't matter.Anyone here can tell me the highest you can get Modern Sonic’s fate manipulation (and/or resistance to it) to be? I’m having a discussion involving it…
He would probably only be recurring without the Phantom Ruby, as you imply.
We will see next week what they do with him.
The new Infinite?
Hypothetical nerfed Infinite if he were to return as a mainstay in comics and console spinoffs starting from Chaotix Files or sth :V
In my opinion, Sonic resists normal fate manipulation, causality manipulation, law manipulation, and possibly plot manipulation. He doesn't seem to be able to manipulate fate himself though, which tbf is pretty fitting considering he's all about freedomAnyone here can tell me the highest you can get Modern Sonic’s fate manipulation (and/or resistance to it) to be? I’m having a discussion involving it…
What dimensional level would y’all have said it was if going by the former standards?
Can you link the thread or explain that? I still don't get it
By former standards, Sonic's page says that his causality resistance is "4-D, possibly higher" as of now, and the rest are normal
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Otherworld is canon, Chris misunderstood the question.
That helps a lot actually, thanks Maskedcan we please add an NLF note regarding the durability negation page
it says on the dura neg page "The ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of their durability" there are some people on here who think a 9-B character with dura neg can negate a 5-D characters dura or a High 1-A character's dura and this is assuming the character is NOT a smurfvsbattles.com
Hax
Hax is a catch-all term for abilities that can be used to ignore/bypass one or more of a target's statistics, rendering them irrelevant. The most common hax are the ones that ignore durability, and their scale/potency are unrelated to their users' AP & Tier, however, they can be measured with...
Basically, smurf still exists
According to Agnaa
All "conceptual stuff" is now only smurf if it's 1-A, since concepts are 1-A by default now
For other stuff:
"If the "hax" interacts with durability (attacking organs, utilising pressure points), smurf is anything that works on greater-than-infinitely-higher-durability targets."
The most applicable thing is smurf range.
"Mind manip isn't stronger for being able to hit a mind a timeline away, but if your mind is a timeline away, many characters will fail to reach it"
Does that help?
There are a lot of details Masked is still unsure of, so their explanation may not be the best.
For them to not mention that damn stalactite feat.
Particularly for the analysis section, I hope Egg Wizard doesn't get downplayed to just planetary if they bring it up. Also I said this a billion times before but TIER 5 and FTL BASE FORMS at the very least, hopefully with more feats to back it up. Been doing my own Sonic scaling document and there's def no shortage of tier 5 feats with like a trillion laser dodging feats asides from the Hotaro even if they don't want to buy the higher speed feats
You could probably get that one to MFTL+ if you assume the numbers Eggman shows are measuring the distance in something. Plus it's still an impressive feat because Metal Sonic did that while barely being able to walk and fly
Yeah that would be really cool. Although I'm not even an animator but I can imagine animating regeneration in 3D like that just has to be hell, honestly I'd forgive it if Cell regenerating to become Super Perfect Cell was done off screen behind some smoke for that reason.
I was just like you once back in 202all of you are so much older than me
I feel like a toddler when talking to you guys
In regards to the upcoming Death Battle it's practically a graveyard here discussion wise. But I might as well ask regardless what you guys would like to see in the episode. So what are your hopes for Cell vs Metal Sonic?
For me I have a small list despite my overall disintrest in the episode.
- Asymmetrical combat in the animation. I hope that they don't use the same abilities as each other against their opponents attacks. For instance when Cell uses Ki blasts I don't want to see Metal Sonic use energy blasts from his chest cavity as a counter, when Metal Sonic teleports I don't want Cell to also teleport to avoid whatever surprise attack Metal Sonic throws and so on because that would be kind of boring and surface level.
Instead I hope they use different abilities to counter different abilities (and the preview for the episode makes it look like that will happen) so examples like Metal Sonic uses a homing attack barage from all angles to which Cell counters by blocking with his arms while moving around to deflect the attacks (imagine a spinning vortex of blue streaks from Metal Sonic with Cell in the middle blocking the attacks) until Cell changes his approach and emits a shockwave of Ki to blast Metal Sonic away from him. Or Cell holds Metal Sonic in place with telekinesis for a moment before trying to pepper him with Friezas death beams to which Metal Sonic, instead of countering with his own telekinesis that he copied from Silver, uses Sonic Boom (the move he copied from Sonic in Sonic Rivals 2) to blast free from Cells grip and charge straight through the lasers among other possibilities for cool exchanges.
- This is an extension of the last hope except I know it won't happen, the finale will absolutely be a Kamehameha beam clash. Still I want Cell to use the Galick Gun during the fight so Metal Sonic can copy it and allow the finale to be a Galick Gun vs Kamehameha clash instead Goku vs Vegeta style.
- At least a bit of different research from Bowser vs Eggman for Metal Sonic. I doubt this will happen as there are probably things they will save for Mario vs Sonic 3 when that inevitably happens. Still it'd be kind of disappointing if there wasn't anything new thrown into the mix besides just an FTL calc for base forms to scale to (unless they somehow get Metal Sonic flying to a different planet to Massively Hypersonic or something and keep base forms at only vaguely FTL off of cyan wisps just as they were in Bowser vs Eggman, that is the most hilarious and disappointing outcome for Death Battle giving Sonic characters a new calc to scale to).
That's everything because everything else is a list of what I don't want them to do.
Death Battle fans when Life Conversation fans walk in ngl
Rn the main feat for Base Sonic is Null Space. Sonic and the Rookie double boost out of Null Space and they "break through" it, repeated in the JP dialogue itself and in the Encyclospeedia, meaning they crossed the infinite distance. Though scaling it to Base Sonic is rough because it's a double boost and teamwork amps in team-based techniques are a legit thing in Sonic. However, you can make an argument that because Infinite somewhat reacted to a double boost and DER surpasses Infinite, Base Sonic could have infinite speed
