[FOX's X-Men] Iceman Speed Upgrade

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This calc was accepted, which would upgrade Iceman's attack speed to Supersonic. Pyro's fire moves at the same speed as the ice beam, and since Iceman was able to react to the fire, his other speed should also scale to Supersonic. Transformed Iceman should also have higher attack speed since he can freeze Sentinels before they attack

• Extra: Analytical Prediction (Can predict blows, and could have figured out Storm's fighting patterns as she went into non-thinking mode while acting and reacting on instinct alone, although she was defeated before she could) for Callisto, plus further Instinctive Action for Pre-Retcon Storm

 

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Extra: Analytical Prediction (Can predict blows, and could have figured out Storm's fighting patterns as she went into non-thinking mode while acting and reacting on instinct alone, although she was defeated before she could) for Callisto, plus further Instinctive Action for Pre-Retcon Storm

Checking Callisto's page, I'm not sure about this, it reads more like she's just doing mundane martial arts.
Also off seeing her fight scenes off the martial arts scans, it seems more like Storm is just not a good melee fighter and relies on blasting enemies/strong punches.
(On the same note, I think landing a single serious punch on someone dashing around should not give martial arts, Storm either got lucky or has superspeed, idc which, but the fight really makes it look like she just whaled on Callisto)

 

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Checking Callisto's page, I'm not sure about this, it reads more like she's just doing mundane martial arts.
Also off seeing her fight scenes off the martial arts scans, it seems more like Storm is just not a good melee fighter and relies on blasting enemies/strong punches.
(On the same note, I think landing a single serious punch on someone dashing around should not give martial arts, Storm either got lucky or has superspeed, idc which, but the fight really makes it look like she just whaled on Callisto)

I mean, Storm was initially overwhelmed because Callisto was faster and predicted her blows, until she eventually managed to keep up by relying on IA. Besides, if Storm didn't have at least some basic martial arts, I don't think she would engage in close combat on her own, considering her range and powers

 

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I mean, Storm was initially overwhelmed because Callisto was faster and predicted her blows, until she eventually managed to keep up by relying on IA. Besides, if Storm didn't have at least some basic martial arts, I don't think she would engage in close combat on her own, considering her range and powers

Callisto also has super speed and keeps bumrushing Storm, seems more like Callisto is forcing a melee fight in all these instances.

 

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Callisto also has super speed and keeps bumrushing Storm, seems more like Callisto is forcing a melee fight in all these instances.

In their first fight they were in an open field and Storm spun towards Callisto to launch her inside a house and fight there

 

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In their first fight they were in an open field and Storm spun towards Callisto to launch her inside a house and fight there

That doesn't look like martial arts, that looks like Storm flexing on everyone by using a stupid maneuver,

 

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That doesn't look like martial arts, that looks like Storm flexing on everyone by using a stupid maneuver,

My reply was about you saying that Callisto forced the melee fight when it was Storm who did it first

 

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My reply was about you saying that Callisto forced the melee fight when it was Storm who did it first

I was talking about the other instances.
That fight comes more as Storm just whaling on Callisto rather than some complex martial arts. Most superhero media will have people at least swing around without it looking like complete random flailing, I think you need more concrete stuff for martial arts.

 

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I was talking about the other instances.
That fight comes more as Storm just whaling on Callisto rather than some complex martial arts. Most superhero media will have people at least swing around without it looking like complete random flailing, I think you need more concrete stuff for martial arts.

In their first fight, Storm engaged in close combat without knowing Callisto's powers, speed, and skill, it's kinda hard to land any hit when your opponent is faster and predicts your blows. In their second fight, Storm sensed Callisto, but because she had to put her weather under control, she missed the opportunity to respond to her first attack. Likewise, she eventually could keep up and defeat Callisto despite her advantages. I don't even know why we're discussing Martial Arts when it's not an ability being proposed in the op

 

[Random-Helper323]

I agree with the Iceman and Pyro section.

Disagree with the Callisto section.

 

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In their first fight, Storm engaged in close combat without knowing Callisto's powers, speed, and skill, it's kinda hard to land any hit when your opponent is faster and predicts your blows. In their second fight, Storm sensed Callisto, but because she had to put her weather under control, she missed the opportunity to respond to her first attack. Likewise, she eventually could keep up and defeat Callisto despite her advantages. I don't even know why we're discussing Martial Arts when it's not an ability being proposed in the op

Because if Storm doesn't have martial arts then there's not really a lot to predict for Callisto, making Analytical Prediction even harder to justify.
Also your scan doesn't showcase that Storm has any special skill, again off the other stuff it seems like she's just reacting with simple punches or lightning strikes.

 

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Because if Storm doesn't have martial arts then there's not really a lot to predict for Callisto, making Analytical Prediction even harder to justify.
Also your scan doesn't showcase that Storm has any special skill, again off the other stuff it seems like she's just reacting with simple punches or lightning strikes.

So someone with no skill could do this to a faster and skilled opponent? She also trained the younger X-Men in the Danger Room who can do this

 

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So someone with no skill could do this to a faster and skilled opponent? She also trained the younger X-Men in the Danger Room who can do this

Yah sure that works, I'd replace the current scans for this timestamp since everything else is not that supportive of it.

 

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I agree with the Iceman and Pyro section.

Disagree with the Callisto section.

Btw, would the Callisto section be fine now that the martial arts stuff has been clarified?

Also, I wanted to expand Magneto's Social Influencing, is the following good?

Social Influencing (Leadership, Charisma and Deception - Convinced Mystique and the members of the Hellfire Club to join his brotherhood. Lured Pyro into betraying the X-Men and joining him. Convinced hundreds of different mutants to join his brotherhood and motivated them, leading them in battle like chess pieces. Coercion and Instigating Fear - Threatened a banker to make him talk and stay silent afterward. Forced Professor X to release him and take Rogue away by threatening a group of policemen, frightening the officers and causing some of them to stumble and even throw up)

 

[Random-Helper323]

Magneto's social influencing should be fine.

 

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[Dalesean027]

what Random and Tllm said should be fine

 

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I applied the accepted changes so the thread can be closed now