The 1-A Madness Combat Revision.

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[Qawsedf234]

Thats the tricky part about those who are supposed to be 1-A but can't be 1-A due to Anti-feat. I think they can be Low 1-C but i am not sure. I will have to consult other staffs regarding it.

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Per the FAQ

The first practical effect of this fact is that the power of a 1-A character cannot be dispersed so much that it reaches into a lower tier. Since there is no conceivable extension of any lower tier that can yield equality to a 1-A structure, neither can there be any subdivision (Even an infinite subdivision) of 1-A that reduces down into such tiers. Unless, of course, this division is somehow non-quantitative in nature (i.e. The results of the division are not actually numerical "chunks" of the character's power); however, this should be made reasonably clear by statements or through background context.

Secondly, a 1-A level cannot be attained by a process in which the lower level quantitatively "adds up" to itself to break through into the higher one, due to the total lack of structural continuity between the two; the higher level cannot be attained, nor expressed by, any expansions of the lower one, and therefore things from the latter cannot interfere with the former by means of their own lower existences. Put simply: A non-1-A cannot reach the level of 1-A by appealing to another non-1-A

However, if the "power source" in question consists in a lower character literally overwhelming a would-be 1-A object with their own abilities and forcibly absorbing it into themselves, then that constitutes an anti-feat, unless the occasion falls under the stipulations above.

A character cannot lower themselves to not be 1-A. It has to be an avatar or have a clear in-universe background context that would suggest something.

If someone is affected by a non-1-A object, they themselves would not be 1-A unless there's a reasonable explanation for it.

 

[CitRusReality64]

Per the FAQ



A character cannot lower themselves to not be 1-A. It has to be an avatar or have a clear in-universe background context that would suggest something.

If someone is affected by a non-1-A object, they themselves would not be 1-A unless there's a reasonable explanation for it.

He already explained. The Machine created The Auditor and The Machine controls him. The Maker is unbounded by the things The Machine defines completely

 

[Qawsedf234]

He already explained.

The only thing I see from the OP is this part

And The Maker directly states they can't be affected by The Machine.


It's not until The Machine's redefinition that The Machine becomes powerful enough to potentially affect the maker.


This isn't an anti-feat of The Maker since he objectively does have a reality-fiction transcendence to the series, even to The Machine. It's a feat of The Machine that was previously fiction to The Maker getting strong enough to potentially affect The Maker.

Which are all still anti-feats for a 1-A character

 

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Which are all still anti-feats for a 1-A character

Both have 1-A scaling though, borderline the exact same kind of scaling since they have nearly the same exact feats. A 1-A affecting a 1-A isn't an anti-feat. They both exist on the same plane of existence. The Maker even implies they do, as they say it's contradictory for them to be able to control The Machine without being affected by it.

The Auditor being given a snippit of The Machine isn't an anti-feat either, since the game specifies the snippit is still higher dimensional, infinite, and indescribable compared to the beings who have access to it, and only have access to it because the 1-A sent it's stewards to give it to them.

We have a whole cosmology blog in the OP that explains the scaling.

Madness Combat Cosmology Blog

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[CitRusReality64]

Both have 1-A scaling though, borderline the exact same kind of scaling since they have nearly the same exact feats. A 1-A affecting a 1-A isn't an anti-feat. They both exist on the same plane of existence. The Maker even implies they do, as they say it's contradictory for them to be able to control The Machine without being affected by it.

The Auditor being given a snippit of The Machine isn't an anti-feat either, since the game specifies the snippit is still higher dimensional, infinite, and indescribable compared to the beings who have access to it, and only have access to it because the 1-A sent it's stewards to give it to them.

We have a whole cosmology blog in the OP that explains the scaling.

Madness Combat Cosmology Blog

vsbattles.fandom.com

Wait im confused. I thought The Maker was superior and above The Machine? Because the text says The Maker is unbounded by The Machine

 

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Wait im confused. I thought The Maker was superior and above The Machine? Because the text says The Maker is unbounded by The Machine

The maker is unbound from the machine’s system because the maker is above the things the machine defines. (All things exist apart of the machine EXCEPT The maker)

The maker cannot exist above The Machine when half their dialogue is talking about how it’s a threat to them and how it’s paradoxical for them to control it. They’re not above the machine, just the things it defines. They’ve always been equals. Even if the dialogue did mean that, it'd be one hell of an anti-feat against it and The Maker would still just scale to baseline 1-A for being affected by The Machine.

 

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[CitRusReality64]

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[CitRusReality64]

Okay, I have a proposition for the 1-A scaling. What if we say The Machine is baseline 1-A and Maker is 1 layer due to not being bounded by The Machine. The Machine should have a rating like this "1-A, can potentially become higher", the "potentially become higher" refers to The Machine absorbing The Maker and it becomes 1 layer into 1-A. Since The Maker implies that The Machine is infected by The Madness, and says that The Machine is getting closer to The Madness and grows stronger, eventually posing an actual threat to The Maker

 

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Okay, I have a proposition for the 1-A scaling. What if we say The Machine is baseline 1-A and Maker is 1 layer due to not being bounded by The Machine. The Machine should have a rating like this "1-A, can potentially become higher", the "potentially become higher" refers to The Machine absorbing The Maker and it becomes 1 layer into 1-A. Since The Maker implies that The Machine is infected by The Madness, and says that The Machine is getting closer to The Madness and grows stronger, eventually posing an actual threat to The Maker

The Maker can’t be higher dimensional than the machine, since even before the madness was messing with the machine the machine could still theoretically affect The Maker (had the maker not just been able to ignore that)

The Machine itself is blatantly 1-A with its feats, The Maker made said 1-A structure. Maker scales to Machine due to that. (With their own feats) the scaling is just that

 

[CitRusReality64]

The Maker can’t be higher dimensional than the machine, since even before the madness was messing with the machine the machine could still theoretically affect The Maker (had the maker not just been able to ignore that)

The Machine itself is blatantly 1-A with its feats, The Maker made said 1-A structure. Maker scales to Machine due to that. (With their own feats) the scaling is just that

Yeah but the rating & explanation i'm proposing can potentially clear all contentions/anti-feats for the 1-A scaling. Since The Maker lost it's control over The Machine, and The Maker says something about The Machine's redefinition gets it closer to The Madness

 

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Yeah but the rating & explanation i'm proposing can potentially clear all contentions/anti-feats for the 1-A scaling. Since The Maker lost it's control over The Machine, and The Maker says something about The Machine's redefinition gets it closer to The Madness

You’d need proof from the game that’s how it works.

Most (if not all) the contentions for 1-A is because I’m a dumbass and said things that aren’t the case for the rating in both this thread and back when I upgraded the auditor.

 

[CitRusReality64]

You’d need proof from the game that’s how it works.

I mean The Maker himself says he is unbounded by The Machine (it's the reason why he has Paraconsistent Physiology type 2 on your blog). Then Machine was messed with by The Madness, it then poses a threat to and can absorb The Maker which like would not make sense if Maker was unbounded by The Machine in the first place

Most (if not all) the contentions for 1-A is because I’m a dumbass and said things that aren’t the case for the rating in both this thread and back when I upgraded the auditor.

I see

 

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I mean The Maker himself says he is unbounded by The Machine (it's the reason why he has Paraconsistent Physiology type 2 on your blog). Then Machine was messed with by The Madness, it then poses a threat to and can absorb The Maker which like would not make sense if Maker was unbounded by The Machine in the first place

Bypassing paraconsistent physiology and bypassing a whole layer of 1-A is a big difference.

 

[CitRusReality64]

Bypassing paraconsistent physiology and bypassing a whole layer of 1-A is a big difference.

I'm saying The Maker gets Paraconsistent Physiology from being 1 layer

 

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I'm saying The Maker gets Paraconsistent Physiology from being 1 layer

Yeah, but there isn’t anything in game that says that The Machine is rising up from being seen as fiction to The Maker. Without evidence, there isn’t any way you can say that’s how it works.

 

[CitRusReality64]

Yeah, but there isn’t anything in game that says that The Machine is rising up from being seen as fiction to The Maker. Without evidence, there isn’t any way you can say that’s how it works.

I will try to work on this argument sometime then

 

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I'll bump this with a reinvigorating recap after this and this open Madness Combat CRT are resolved. I will go ahead to say this CRT (which is for just the two by-a-mile top-tiers that don't have profiles yet) is feasible & this thread's gone on so long mainly because the OP wasn't as substantial at the start as it is now. But might as well first establish if we agree on some groundwork first & not flood the topic, so don't mind waiting a little bit longer.