Instant Death Cosmology Remix (I don't know how to call it)

[SweetDao]

TheSea has a hierarchical abstract structure that lays the world out in layers shallow water, middle depths, and deep water. So what they transcended to as a “higher universe”… was it a universe beyond the Sea itself, or a higher-level universe that corresponds to moving up toward the shallow waters?

I think it's a universe outside The Sea. The narration implies that and if that wasn't the case, I'm pretty they would've destroyed the Sea during their fight. Especially since the way those universes worked where completely different from the usual CFs.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I just wanna confirm, this is where the verse caps right? I don't see tier 1 or anything

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Once again, it works IF you assume it's inside the universe; a Celestial Foundation isn't a universe, and The Abyss doesn't cover all of three-dimensionality. It's 100% a world with a fourth axis, that much is fine, but the size makes it non-elligible.

I think you do not understand the Abyss very well. The Abyss is a world; it is itself a world that is referred to by many names such as the Abyss, the Spirit World, or the Astral World. This is a world in its own right, not a part of a universe or an institution. Rather, it is a world that exists in a completely different dimension, as stated, and an additional fourth spatial dimension was added to it. I don’t know why you bring up the institution or the universe and so on, when the Abyss is already a world by itself with multiple names, and it exists in an entirely different dimension. In other words, it has nothing to do with the institution or those things; it is simply a world to which an extra fourth dimension was added. This world cannot be perceived at all from three-dimensional space, as mentioned, and it also contains a temporal dimension, since the man inside it aged and starved to death. As I told you, the size issue should be discussed with Agnaa, and if there is nothing in the novel stating that it is small or limited, then we automatically treat it as universal in size and do not subject it to heavy scrutiny. And please understand that “Abyss” is just one of its names, because the Abyss is also a world that exists in a different dimension, with an added fourth dimension and a temporal dimension, making it five-dimensional.

was, in a literal sense, a world in a different dimension the Astral Plane, the Spirit World, or the Abyss. It we y number of names, but to put it into simple terms, it -Id where length, width, and height were supplemented an additional fourth dimension.

They are quite literally spatially connected.

One world can crash into another without the Celestial Chain.
Gorbagion got ejected from his own CF and wandered into The Sea until he found the Isekai One.
Space Pirates literally go from one world to another using a spaceship.
And I could go on.

Yeah, each CF is self-contained inside the Canopy, which doesn't change much. It's once again stated INSIDE the page I linked to you.

Also, no, that's straight up false. You don't need any gate or whatever. You may be summoned to a world using magic or other devices (reincarnation, Celestial Axis and such), but you can totally go from one world to another using physical movement, as I've shown you with the above evidence.

Can you please focus on what was mentioned in the text! He told you that the pirates were traveling through the sea that separates the worlds, and this means that the sea itself already separates the worlds. This means that the sea is what separates the worlds from one another, and the pirates were traveling through the sea itself. Honestly, this does not negate anything. Even in Dragon Ball Super, you have the Neutral Zone, which is a space that contains all the worlds and separates them, and characters can travel through it, remain in it, move within it, and travel through it to any world. This does not negate anything at all. On the contrary, you actually showed me something I had overlooked, which is that the sea itself is what separates the worlds themselves, making them different space-times.

The other option was a group of "pirates." Rather than stalking the seas of any individual world, they traveled through the "sea" between worlds, which housed the numerous Celestial Foundations

Roaming within the sea itself does not negate anything, honestly. Even in the work of Anos Voldigoad, a spacecraft was used to travel between worlds across the Silver Sea, so I don’t see what is strange here. Therefore, I do not agree with you at all. In fact, you brought evidence that the sea itself separates the worlds, and roaming within the sea or traveling through it with a spacecraft or similar means does not negate anything. This is something that exists in any work, whether Dragon Ball or others, especially since it was explicitly stated that it separates the worlds. If this had not been mentioned in the same text, I might have agreed with you, but since the work itself states in the same passage that it separates the worlds, I cannot agree with you here.

As for the collision, it does not happen without a reason. It occurs if the axial chains that connect the celestial axis are cut, and if they are cut, a world will fall onto another world. They are what maintain and stabilize the worlds within the sea, like hanging something from a tree using a chain or rope; if you cut the chain or rope, that object will fall to the ground. The same applies here: the worlds are attached by these axial chains, which keep them fixed in one place within the sea. But if these chains are cut or destroyed, then of course the world will fall onto another world. This does not negate anything, because it is not as if a world randomly collided with another or naturally met it; rather, this only happens when the axial chains that hold them in the sea are severed, causing them to fall and collide with another world, not simply meet it. If the chains are not cut and so on, then no meeting between worlds will occur, and this is mentioned in the evidence I sent, of course.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I just wanna confirm, this is where the verse caps right? I don't see tier 1 or anything

The verse contains all logically possible worlds and contains everything; it’s only a matter of time until I prove everything.

The problem is that the staff do not give any value to the author’s statements, and I don’t know the reason for that, as if the staff were the ones who wrote the Instant Death series while the writer is just an ordinary follower whose words have no meaning. On the other hand, the staff themselves only cite statements that contribute to lowering the verse, while the statements that help in understanding the cosmology, the author’s explanations, and clarifications are completely ignored.

The author contributed to clarifying the idea of possible worlds and the different worlds mentioned in the novel, and he helped in understanding how his true form works. Meanwhile, the AFBW site does not ignore the author’s statements; it was previously H1A in this community and is currently 1A, but at least that is better than 4C. It’s truly ridiculous, and anyone who sees this rating would laugh to death because they know it’s not accurate compared to everything mentioned in the novel and the author’s statements that are being ignored.

 

[SweetDao]

I think you do not understand the Abyss very well. The Abyss is a world; it is itself a world that is referred to by many names such as the Abyss, the Spirit World, or the Astral World. This is a world in its own right, not a part of a universe or an institution. Rather, it is a world that exists in a completely different dimension, as stated, and an additional fourth spatial dimension was added to it. I don’t know why you bring up the institution or the universe and so on, when the Abyss is already a world by itself with multiple names, and it exists in an entirely different dimension. In other words, it has nothing to do with the institution or those things; it is simply a world to which an extra fourth dimension was added. This world cannot be perceived at all from three-dimensional space, as mentioned, and it also contains a temporal dimension, since the man inside it aged and starved to death. As I told you, the size issue should be discussed with Agnaa, and if there is nothing in the novel stating that it is small or limited, then we automatically treat it as universal in size and do not subject it to heavy scrutiny. And please understand that “Abyss” is just one of its names, because the Abyss is also a world that exists in a different dimension, with an added fourth dimension and a temporal dimension, making it five-dimensional.

Yeah, except you don't have the size of it. It can't even encompass Earth in the first place, so yeah, especially seeing how the Kings are fighting for the planet, it makes no sense to assume it's bigger than it.

Also, no, the Time Dimension encompasses the rest of the verse; it's not the Abyss itself that has a time dimension.

Not gonna lie, I think you're just ignoring what I'm saying, so that will be my last answer on the matter. Higher Dimensions (and dimensions) work on the wiki by using R (set of real numbers) ^ x (x being the number of dimension there exist).
So a world with 3 dimensions would be R^3, with four dimensions R^4 etc etc. If there is a statement that the "fourth dimension" doesn't encompass the third dimension, it means it doesn't encompass the whole "R^3" and doesn't extend to all spaces it could. Therefore, it would make it an insignificant dimension. Not saying it "doesn't exist", just saying it's not important tier-wise. If at least the CF was universal, ig the argument could be made, but that's not the case.

I hope you do understand why the conversation of Agnaa where you stated (I assume it's you) "you can travel everywhere in the Universe" vs "the current situation" is fully different.

Can you please focus on what was mentioned in the text! He told you that the pirates were traveling through the sea that separates the worlds, and this means that the sea itself already separates the worlds. This means that the sea is what separates the worlds from one another, and the pirates were traveling through the sea itself. Honestly, this does not negate anything. Even in Dragon Ball Super, you have the Neutral Zone, which is a space that contains all the worlds and separates them, and characters can travel through it, remain in it, move within it, and travel through it to any world. This does not negate anything at all. On the contrary, you actually showed me something I had overlooked, which is that the sea itself is what separates the worlds themselves, making them different space-times.

Yeah? The Sea is a space outside of space, nothing more, nothing less. Neutral Zone in DB is completely different since we're talking about Infinite/greater than baseline infinite structure, this is not the case here. You're arguing that a 3D box can't exist inside a 3D house because the house has to be 4D to make it fit inside.

Roaming within the sea itself does not negate anything, honestly. Even in the work of Anos Voldigoad, a spacecraft was used to travel between worlds across the Silver Sea, so I don’t see what is strange here. Therefore, I do not agree with you at all. In fact, you brought evidence that the sea itself separates the worlds, and roaming within the sea or traveling through it with a spacecraft or similar means does not negate anything. This is something that exists in any work, whether Dragon Ball or others, especially since it was explicitly stated that it separates the worlds. If this had not been mentioned in the same text, I might have agreed with you, but since the work itself states in the same passage that it separates the worlds, I cannot agree with you here.

You keep bringing up irrelevant works. This is called whataboutism, especially since you're bringing up stuff that doesn't correlate with the current situation.

Take a simple example. We live on Earth. The Moon, The Sun, and other planets exist beyond Earth, does that mean you need a 4D space to encompass them? Not at all, they are just displaced inside the same 3D space, that's the same here.

As for the collision, it does not happen without a reason. It occurs if the axial chains that connect the celestial axis are cut, and if they are cut, a world will fall onto another world. They are what maintain and stabilize the worlds within the sea, like hanging something from a tree using a chain or rope; if you cut the chain or rope, that object will fall to the ground. The same applies here: the worlds are attached by these axial chains, which keep them fixed in one place within the sea. But if these chains are cut or destroyed, then of course the world will fall onto another world. This does not negate anything, because it is not as if a world randomly collided with another or naturally met it; rather, this only happens when the axial chains that hold them in the sea are severed, causing them to fall and collide with another world, not simply meet it. If the chains are not cut and so on, then no meeting between worlds will occur, and this is mentioned in the evidence I sent, of course.

Yeah, cool, that doesn't change the fact. Parallel universes need to be separated PHYSICALLY and CAUSALLY. If they can just bump into each other, that just means they weren't separated physically and exist in the same realm.

In any case, I'll apply the thread whenever it passes (should be a bit latter today) if you wish to make a case for something, just do another thread.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Yeah, except you don't have the size of it. It can't even encompass Earth in the first place, so yeah, especially seeing how the Kings are fighting for the planet, it makes no sense to assume it's bigger than it.

Also, no, the Time Dimension encompasses the rest of the verse; it's not the Abyss itself that has a time dimension.

Not gonna lie, I think you're just ignoring what I'm saying, so that will be my last answer on the matter. Higher Dimensions (and dimensions) work on the wiki by using R (set of real numbers) ^ x (x being the number of dimension there exist).
So a world with 3 dimensions would be R^3, with four dimensions R^4 etc etc. If there is a statement that the "fourth dimension" doesn't encompass the third dimension, it means it doesn't encompass the whole "R^3" and doesn't extend to all spaces it could. Therefore, it would make it an insignificant dimension. Not saying it "doesn't exist", just saying it's not important tier-wise. If at least the CF was universal, ig the argument could be made, but that's not the case.

I hope you do understand why the conversation of Agnaa where you stated (I assume it's you) "you can travel everywhere in the Universe" vs "the current situation" is fully different.

Yeah? The Sea is a space outside of space, nothing more, nothing less. Neutral Zone in DB is completely different since we're talking about Infinite/greater than baseline infinite structure, this is not the case here. You're arguing that a 3D box can't exist inside a 3D house because the house has to be 4D to make it fit inside.

You keep bringing up irrelevant works. This is called whataboutism, especially since you're bringing up stuff that doesn't correlate with the current situation.

Take a simple example. We live on Earth. The Moon, The Sun, and other planets exist beyond Earth, does that mean you need a 4D space to encompass them? Not at all, they are just displaced inside the same 3D space, that's the same here.

Yeah, cool, that doesn't change the fact. Parallel universes need to be separated PHYSICALLY and CAUSALLY. If they can just bump into each other, that just means they weren't separated physically and exist in the same realm.

In any case, I'll apply the thread whenever it passes (should be a bit latter today) if you wish to make a case for something, just do another thread.

I saw that you wrote the Sea is H3A!!! So should I understand from this that you deny the existence of time in the Sea, right? You deny all the evidence about the existence of time there, the statements of all the characters, the time-based abilities and all of that, isn’t that so? If you had said Low 2-C, I would at least say it’s not that bad, but you even deny time in the Sea? Can you provide a reason for this?

Also regarding Yugiri, will his classification be 2-A with environmental destruction, or will you say, for example, that his ability cannot kill all parallel worlds or timelines? If Yugiri wanted, he could kill the entire ultimate set, so up to now I also don’t agree with you on this point.

 

[SweetDao]

I saw that you wrote the Sea is H3A!!! So should I understand from this that you deny the existence of time in the Sea, right? You deny all the evidence about the existence of time there, the statements of all the characters, the time-based abilities and all of that, isn’t that so? If you had said Low 2-C, I would at least say it’s not that bad, but you even deny time in the Sea? Can you provide a reason for this?

No, it's just that the Sea is physically connected to, at the very least, the Sea of Stars (which we know is a universe that started with a Big Bang), therefore, it doesn't make it "separate universes". Both of them would be Low 2-C tho (or just the whole reality).

Also regarding Yugiri, will his classification be 2-A with environmental destruction, or will you say, for example, that his ability cannot kill all parallel worlds or timelines? If Yugiri wanted, he could kill the entire ultimate set, so up to now I also don’t agree with you on this point.

I mean, I wrote 2-B because I already took into account the fact that he can target parallel universes. That much is fine.

Yeah, but we discussed with Oblivion, and it wouldn't make any sense to assume he could destroy the whole Ultimate Ensemble since he would just kill himself in the process (not to mention, his whole point is to regulate the UEW, not destroy everything).

Again, just do another thread when you're allowed to, would be much easier for everyone. By the way, you did improve with the behavior/way of talking, so congrats on that. It's more enjoyable to talk with you now.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

Celestial pegasus's name should be bolded , they're part of staff
I agree

 

[Maniaunavailable]

The verse contains all logically possible worlds and contains everything; it’s only a matter of time until I prove everything.

The problem is that the staff do not give any value to the author’s statements, and I don’t know the reason for that, as if the staff were the ones who wrote the Instant Death series while the writer is just an ordinary follower whose words have no meaning. On the other hand, the staff themselves only cite statements that contribute to lowering the verse, while the statements that help in understanding the cosmology, the author’s explanations, and clarifications are completely ignored.

The author contributed to clarifying the idea of possible worlds and the different worlds mentioned in the novel, and he helped in understanding how his true form works. Meanwhile, the AFBW site does not ignore the author’s statements; it was previously H1A in this community and is currently 1A, but at least that is better than 4C. It’s truly ridiculous, and anyone who sees this rating would laugh to death because they know it’s not accurate compared to everything mentioned in the novel and the author’s statements that are being ignored.

Not a size not a tier, it’s that simple


Also even with the WOG it’s lowkey just subjective reality imo

 

[Azertyhuuh]

No, it's just that the Sea is physically connected to, at the very least, the Sea of Stars (which we know is a universe that started with a Big Bang), therefore, it doesn't make it "separate universes". Both of them would be Low 2-C tho (or just the whole reality).

I mean, I wrote 2-B because I already took into account the fact that he can target parallel universes. That much is fine.

Yeah, but we discussed with Oblivion, and it wouldn't make any sense to assume he could destroy the whole Ultimate Ensemble since he would just kill himself in the process (not to mention, his whole point is to regulate the UEW, not destroy everything).

Again, just do another thread when you're allowed to, would be much easier for everyone. By the way, you did improve with the behavior/way of talking, so congrats on that. It's more enjoyable to talk with you now.

He will not kill himself in this process because his true form is the End, and as the work states, he is the only one who will remain at the end because he is the End. That means even if everything ends, he will still be the only one left at the end since he is the End. Whether he would die or not doesn’t really matter anyway; what matters is that he can do it that’s what’s important, right?

For example, a character from Earth could have the ability to destroy the planet, but if they did, they would die with the planet or in space. Does that mean they are not planet-level? What matters is the capability to destroy it; the consequences afterward don’t matter. In Yugiri’s case, he is the end of everything the End itself so he is the only one who will remain at the end because he is always the End. He will not cease, and he cannot be killed in any way because he is the End itself.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

He will not kill himself in this process because his true form is the End, and as the work states, he is the only one who will remain at the end because he is the End. That means even if everything ends, he will still be the only one left at the end since he is the End. Whether he would die or not doesn’t really matter anyway; what matters is that he can do it that’s what’s important, right?

For example, a character from Earth could have the ability to destroy the planet, but if they did, they would die with the planet or in space. Does that mean they are not planet-level? What matters is the capability to destroy it; the consequences afterward don’t matter. In Yugiri’s case, he is the end of everything the End itself so he is the only one who will remain at the end because he is always the End. He will not cease, and he cannot be killed in any way because he is the End itself.

Do a CRT next month if you have issues with the scale, rn its pointless its already accepted it (I dont see low 1-C yogiri)