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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

in all seriousness, PFB Yoru oneshots and blitzes due to MHS+ attack speed (even in equal speed) that bro can't react to so, unless I make if 5 meters and make the match< "Can Yoru get bang out before her head comes off?" or make Yuji bloodlusted so he insta pops domain which is soooooo boring, it ain't happening
 
Idek what pfb is, I just know they run hands at their strongest, Yoru treating Yuji like a senior citizen
Oh bro's talking Modulo Yuji vs Nuke Yoru? Oh nah, Yuji shreds her and and, when she comes back, domain diffs as she can't come back from her soul, it's over
 
Oh bro's talking Modulo Yuji vs Nuke Yoru? Oh nah, Yuji shreds her and and, when she comes back, domain diffs as she can't come back from her soul, it's over
Blitz and one shot across the world. That bum is supersonic, maybe probably city level on a good day if we wank that dismantle feat
 
Blitz and one shot across the world. That bum is supersonic, maybe probably city level on a good day if we wank that dismantle feat
My goat's FTL since he about to fight Dabura amped Maho.
Besides, we are JJK fans, no fight happening without equal speed
 
Yeah but that's most of jjk. I still don't know where Shibuya scaling should be
AP: At least 61.5 tons (1.2 weaker than his black flash amped self), at least 73.8 with 120% (a Injured, tired 120% Yuji tanked this), >184.5 tons with black flash, higher with Max CE Black Flash
Speed: At least Mach 0.35 (faster than maki), at least Mach 0.42 with 120%
That's what I got from just the top of my head and without mentioning the BF Stack Meta
 
Been thinking about doing a slight Recalc to "Long Blocks Bullets" calc with new parameter that may get it higher too, around transonic up to low end of Supersonic, but I wanted to read opinions on these parameters before bothering on doing it (cuz I also don't know how to do pixel scaling in phone so may not be able to do it soon)

The Feat:

1: Long is likely taller than 159.5cm

The Calc assumes that Long has an average adult woman height of 159.5cm, and so calculates the arm length from it, but it's shown many times that Long may be taller than that, in the Imgur post Below I explain with images every time that Long seems to be taller than an average woman, but most noticeable, she's shown taller than the other Quanxi's girlfiends (who you may assume to be actual average adult woman height), barely seem shorter than quanxi and comparable in height to Human Denji (who's 1.73m tall)

2: The calc technically assumes that Aldo (the gunman) bullet went all the way across the whole distance from the gun to Longs head, which isn't accurate

As seen in Math 1 of the calc, a calculation says that the distance from Aldo's gun to Longs head in the panel before Aldo shoots says that the distance from Longs head to the gun is 72.69cm, and then from I think angsizing, minus 4.54cm it would be 67.15cm (not clarified, but included in the final speed result)

The problem comes that from the Feat, after Long spit out her flames, Aldo jumps to her right, and shoots, Long (instead of using her right arm that was closer?) blocks the next bullet with her left arm by putting it in front of her Face

This means that the bullet didn't travell the whole way to where long head was, Long didn't move from her position as she was on top of Denji, so the travell of the bullet was stopped by the arm halfway for reaching her head

Considering that 90 degrees arm movement, putting your arm at 90 degrees covering your face, you would be putting your arm length in from of you (which the calc says to be 33.1cm) so the bullet travelled 33.1cm less by being blocked by the arm, downgraded to 44.05cm of travell in the time that Long moved her arm at least 51.99cm, meaning that Long is even faster than the 375 m/s of Aldo's Gun (this alone Puts her at Super Sonic Speed)

3: Long may had moved her arm more than 90 degrees (I'm not sure about this one, I'm confused about how to calculate the degrees that an arm moves like in this feat)

The Math 1 and Math 2 Calcs already have clear different arm movements that could have different degrees of movement, in Math 2 (which is actually the first feat to happen on screen) the arm blocking the bullet is facing more to the floor, while in Math 1, the Arm is facing more to the roof and covering Longs face to our view

Does the arm seeming to be 90 degrees elbow extension, but also it aiming higher in other direction. It covering your face means higher degrees of arm movement? Was that 90 degrees from the original calc just an assumption from it being hard to measure?


 
why would Raga be back in the shadows?
Chapter 23 explained that the subjugation ritual was voided by Dabura leaving the Ten Shadows technique's range. Yūji won't fight Dabura or Makora. He may not even show up again in Modulo's few remaining chapters. Modulo Yūji's subsonic+ ass is a Gun Goddess victim, a Right Gun Gauntlet victim even.
 
Chapter 23 explained that the subjugation ritual was voided by Dabura leaving the Ten Shadows technique's range.
Damn, Yuka dead
Yūji won't fight Dabura or Makora. He may not even show up again in Modulo's few remaining chapters. Modulo Yūji's subsonic+ ass is a Gun Goddess victim, a Right Gun Gauntlet victim even.
Your goat quanxi state to be supersonic, Naoya victim
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I havent been keeping up with Modulo, hows the scaling looking like? From what ivs seen most feats dont surpassed Low 7B while all the speed feats scale only to Dabura, Maho kinda just stand in one place getting hit
 
I havent been keeping up with Modulo, hows the scaling looking like? From what ivs seen most feats dont surpassed Low 7B while all the speed feats scale only to Dabura, Maho kinda just stand in one place getting hit
7b and Mahoraga shows great speed so upscale for Gojo and Sukuna.
 
Mahoraga shows great speed so upscale for Gojo and Sukuna.
Why would a Maho decades in the future empowered by bindings vows whos adapting to a speedster for a whole fight scale to Gojo and Sukuna ?
 
Been thinking about doing a slight Recalc to "Long Blocks Bullets" calc with new parameter that may get it higher too, around transonic up to low end of Supersonic, but I wanted to read opinions on these parameters before bothering on doing it (cuz I also don't know how to do pixel scaling in phone so may not be able to do it soon)

The Feat:

1: Long is likely taller than 159.5cm

The Calc assumes that Long has an average adult woman height of 159.5cm, and so calculates the arm length from it, but it's shown many times that Long may be taller than that, in the Imgur post Below I explain with images every time that Long seems to be taller than an average woman, but most noticeable, she's shown taller than the other Quanxi's girlfiends (who you may assume to be actual average adult woman height), barely seem shorter than quanxi and comparable in height to Human Denji (who's 1.73m tall)

2: The calc technically assumes that Aldo (the gunman) bullet went all the way across the whole distance from the gun to Longs head, which isn't accurate

As seen in Math 1 of the calc, a calculation says that the distance from Aldo's gun to Longs head in the panel before Aldo shoots says that the distance from Longs head to the gun is 72.69cm, and then from I think angsizing, minus 4.54cm it would be 67.15cm (not clarified, but included in the final speed result)

The problem comes that from the Feat, after Long spit out her flames, Aldo jumps to her right, and shoots, Long (instead of using her right arm that was closer?) blocks the next bullet with her left arm by putting it in front of her Face

This means that the bullet didn't travell the whole way to where long head was, Long didn't move from her position as she was on top of Denji, so the travell of the bullet was stopped by the arm halfway for reaching her head

Considering that 90 degrees arm movement, putting your arm at 90 degrees covering your face, you would be putting your arm length in from of you (which the calc says to be 33.1cm) so the bullet travelled 33.1cm less by being blocked by the arm, downgraded to 44.05cm of travell in the time that Long moved her arm at least 51.99cm, meaning that Long is even faster than the 375 m/s of Aldo's Gun (this alone Puts her at Super Sonic Speed)

3: Long may had moved her arm more than 90 degrees (I'm not sure about this one, I'm confused about how to calculate the degrees that an arm moves like in this feat)

The Math 1 and Math 2 Calcs already have clear different arm movements that could have different degrees of movement, in Math 2 (which is actually the first feat to happen on screen) the arm blocking the bullet is facing more to the floor, while in Math 1, the Arm is facing more to the roof and covering Longs face to our view

Does the arm seeming to be 90 degrees elbow extension, but also it aiming higher in other direction. It covering your face means higher degrees of arm movement? Was that 90 degrees from the original calc just an assumption from it being hard to measure?


Bro cares about side characters more than some authors
 
Why would a Maho decades in the future empowered by bindings vows whos adapting to a speedster for a whole fight scale to Gojo and Sukuna ?
There is no bv used, that is a thought Tsurugi had, never stated. And you would have to explain why Yuka's Mahoraga would scale above Sukuna's or Megumi's. He adapts to the light where it simply passes through him, he doesn't adapt to it by getting faster.
 
So whats next on the horrizon in terms of CRT not including Nuclear Yoru ? 7C Dura and Striking strength for Gun gauntlet ? Additional speed for low tiers, with Bread's calc ? Weaponization scales to object ?
 
So whats next on the horrizon in terms of CRT not including Nuclear Yoru ? 7C Dura and Striking strength for Gun gauntlet ? Additional speed for low tiers, with Bread's calc ? Weaponization scales to object ?
I only heard gunshy saying about the asa/yoru CRT and a CRT for athletic level characters like aki and himeno if they should scale higher

My Gun devil one is just about a calc member accepting it, it's not big deal tho, the Long blocking a bullet one I cant Recalc it yet as I don't have a computer for proper pixel scaling of her height, which is what I need

A calc that gunshy wanted me to try get evaluated to use for the Athletic characters CRT, had a like from a calc group member on calculation evaluations thread an hour ago (they like your comment sharing the calc if the calc member will evaluate) but I'm waiting for his message about the evaluation

Also 7C gun gauntlet? It's agreed that yorus gun gauntlet in AP would be above than 100% Gun Devil's bullets and Ramming AP because it harmed part 2 Pochita who's much stronger than 100% Gun Devil, even if gun gaunlet uses 28% Gun Devil

Edit: the weaponization should be discussed withing the asa/Yoru CRT, not making a whole different CRT just for it
 
Also 7C gun gauntlet? It's agreed that yorus gun gauntlet in AP would be above than 100% Gun Devil's bullets and Ramming AP because it harmed part 2 Pochita who's much stronger than 100% Gun Devil, even if gun gaunlet uses 28% Gun Devil
Thats only for its bullet/shots which is stronger than its normal attack anyway. Im just talking about her Striking strength/Dura which are all featless so it's safer to use something conservative
 
Thats only for its bullet/shots which is stronger than its normal attack anyway. Im just talking about her Striking strength/Dura which are all featless so it's safer to use something conservative
Mmmh honestly her bare fists strength (Nuclear Punch excluded) could still be capped at "at least multi city block level" from scaling to Snake Devil, but her other weapons like The Chainsaw Man Whip do get the city level scaling from Gun Devil aa they directly harm Pochita

Biggest thing she did by just her own fist strength is forcing DenjiMan to Vomit Teeth and Leg Devil, but her own physical speed scaling relative to Part 2 Pochita Speed in her last battle may make it so the Fear scaling scale her Physical strength to City Level,

She making even a random devil like the accident devil into the Chainsawman whip, a weapon that can easily Cut Pochita may be her own strength being much higher, Yorus Weapons always had Higher AP than her own striking strength, they being higher than her own striking strength being heavily implied to be by default, if Pre Fear Boost Yoru made a Chainsaw Man Whip it would be Large building level at best, can't Possibly have so much guilt into nor the accident devil could be a secretly gun devil level devil to get to City Level without being related to Yorus Physicals
 
Mmmh honestly her bare fists strength (Nuclear Punch excluded) could still be capped at "at least multi city block level" from scaling to Snake Devil,
You forgot her punching holes into Pochitas body when they first fight
 
You forgot her punching holes into Pochitas body when they first fight
In what panel she punches him and makes holes in his body? Are you sure they weren't Bangs? and wouldn't you mean second fight in the current arc? The first fight would be in aging devil arc
 
In what panel she punches him and makes holes in his body? Are you sure they weren't Bangs? and wouldn't you mean second fight in the current arc? The first fight would be in aging devil arc
Their second fight, and it was undoutedly punching as we didnt see any pointing or Bang sound efects like we usually does, not to mention Yoru making a fist before clashing with Pochita and having a punching motion afterwards
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One last thing for the CRT could be a minor key separations for fake chainsaw (and so Famine devil if her profile is made) and Part 2 Pochita

Both fake chainsawman and famine devil, as they were both eaten by lil'd and made into her pawns, as she stated herself, her pawns are weaker than the originals, just like falling devil, so the fake chainsawman who fought fami and the fami who fought fake chainsaw were stronger than after they were eaten by lil'd

Thought it's unknown at what degree they would get weaker, could be a minor decrease, but it's undeniable they got weaker, another subject being if key separation is worthy

About Part 2 Pochita, it's about he probably becoming stronger from his first to second fight against yoru (and denjiman scales to second you fight Pochita) but it's more complicated to explain, there being feats maybe showing he getting stronger, and a narrative answer being that the fear of chainsawman has kept growing from one arc to another (like yoru states that in chapter 176 in the bath that the fear of chainsawman and war have been growing equally everyday, which can be easily guessed to kept growing everyday but that statement from pseudo ChainsawMen and war becoming more common, supports it even more)

Most of the comparison comes to second Yoru fight pochita (and Denjiman) reacting better to Yorus bangs than first yoru fight pochita did, or second yoru fight pochita regenerating from many yorus attacks even before death was erased, while first fight pochita already needed blood after being hit with 2 bangs

At least if key separation it could be said in pretty much every Pochita stat as "higher than before" without first yoru fight pochita having lower tiers at second Yoru fight pochita and Denjiman

A more proper key separation name, for fami and fake chainsawman "Base|Weakened" and Pochita "Early part 2|Late part 2"

Pochita behind harmed can be seen on this imgur post (ignore the rest, I don't think Pochita got faster between arca

Their second fight, and it was undoutedly punching as we didnt see any pointing or Bang sound efects like we usually does, not to mention Yoru making a fist before clashing with Pochita and having a punching motion afterwards
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You can see that when Pochita is being injured, there are onomatopeyas, a few not in Japanese saying "boom" implying that Yoru did use Bang to injure him there, even if we didn't saw her aiming first. Plus the white glowing things making holes in Pochita are very similar to the white glowing things that makimas and Yorus bang always leave in Pochitas Body when their bangs make contact with him, which make it seem like they did holes in Pochita but Makima also did those white things on Pochita when sending him to space without it being seen that afterwards Pochita had any holes in his body
 
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Pochita behind harmed can be seen on this imgur post (ignore the rest, I don't think Pochita got faster between arca


You can see that when Pochita is being injured, there are onomatopeyas, a few not in Japanese saying "boom" implying that Yoru did use Bang to injure him there, even if we didn't saw her aiming first. Plus the white glowing things making holes in Pochita are very similar to the white glowing things that makimas and Yorus bang always leave in Pochitas Body when their bangs make contact with him, which make it seem like they did holes in Pochita but Makima also did those white things on Pochita when sending him to space without it being seen that afterwards Pochita had any holes in his body
Yoru literally made a fist then we saw her body still in punching position, how are they Bangs? Whenever Yoru uses Bang it's always extremely obvious with pointing and her saying Bang, this was not one of them. The boom sound effect just signify her overwhelming strength and the impact of the attack, theyre not obvious giveaways that she used Bangs
 
Yoru literally made a fist then we saw her body still in punching position, how are they Bangs? Whenever Yoru uses Bang it's always extremely obvious with pointing and her saying Bang, this was not one of them. The boom sound effect just signify her overwhelming strength and the impact of the attack, theyre not obvious giveaways that she used Bangs
I could find at least 4 times where the bangs shown those onomatopeyas, including the "boom" yoru doesn't need to aim too much at Pochita If he's directly coming at her, the bang likely happening in the middle of pochita slicing her, she could dealt a bang on Pochita even while her head was flying

 
I could find at least 4 times where the bangs shown those onomatopeyas, including the "boom" yoru doesn't need to aim too much at Pochita If he's directly coming at her, the bang likely happening in the middle of pochita slicing her, she could dealt a bang on Pochita even while her head was flying

Again why are you ignoring that she made a fist and was in mid-punch position which we explicitly see and arguing for sth that we does not, just go with Occam's Razor and used the most obvious one.
 
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