Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Keshirou]

MBA KASHIMO NO DIFFS EVERYONE BRO

Massive W

 

[Arkenis]

Don’t ever in your LIFE fix your mouth to disrespect the HEAVIEST hitter.

And this was a weakened Yuji too.

 

[Zabazab]

people say this like the lightning wouldn't go straight through bro's head if he did it after

Sukuna healed the damage the lightning did by resuming incarnation. Everyone knows this. It's why the narration immediately described it as "a method of healing other than RCT", not "a method of buffing his dura". Is the ridiculous idea that Sukuna transformed before the lightning hit actually accepted by the wiki? That'd be funny.

Dabura only has statements about amping his physical speed with his CT, so his perception speed should be natural, since his CT doesn’t have any statements or feats indicating that it amps perception.

Absolutely not getting away with this btw. An ability that amps your speed does not need to specify in text that it amps every speed that gets separated on vsbw, it amps every speed unless specified not to.

Dabura's Light amps his travel, combat, and perception speed, as that's what we see in the manga. Arguing he has relativistic perception in base is nonsensical.

 

[LIGHTYW]

Sukuna healed the damage the lightning did by resuming incarnation. Everyone knows this. It's why the narration immediately described it as "a method of healing other than RCT", not "a method of buffing his dura". Is the ridiculous idea that Sukuna transformed before the lightning hit actually accepted by the wiki? That'd be funny.


Absolutely not getting away with this btw. An ability that amps your speed does not need to specify in text that it amps every speed that gets separated on vsbw, it amps every speed unless specified not to.

Dabura's Light amps his travel, combat, and perception speed, as that's what we see in the manga. Arguing he has relativistic perception in base is nonsensical.

SUKUNA DODGED THE LIGHTNING AND TRANSFORMED. WHICH MEANS KASHIMO SHOULD HAVE MHS+ COMBAT SPEED, ATLEAST

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Is the ridiculous idea that Sukuna transformed before the lightning hit actually accepted by the wiki? That'd be funny.

Why do you think that Sukuna had that massively high reaction speed on his profile...

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Buraqibear/Sukuna_Reacts_To_Lightning_Calc

It's on his Full Power Key: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ryomen_Sukuna#Full_Power

 

[TalkLost6874]

Even then Gojo saying he can Land BF if it's just about timing. I think there are enough statement and feats indicating God tiers can amp their Perceptions and Reaction speed to MHS to Sub light or Lightspeed. Obviously they can't move Iike Dabura since they don't have his technique. But they can somehow accelerate it to Atleast perceive and react in time that's how I see it.

You are damn right

Modulo is canon to JJK.

I was joking bro, why would I think Sukuna is superhuman lmao

Sukuna healed the damage the lightning did by resuming incarnation. Everyone knows this. It's why the narration immediately described it as "a method of healing other than RCT", not "a method of buffing his dura". Is the ridiculous idea that Sukuna transformed before the lightning hit actually accepted by the wiki? That'd be funny.


Absolutely not getting away with this btw. An ability that amps your speed does not need to specify in text that it amps every speed that gets separated on vsbw, it amps every speed unless specified not to.

Dabura's Light amps his travel, combat, and perception speed, as that's what we see in the manga. Arguing he has relativistic perception in base is nonsensical.

How does it amp his perception speed?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

MBA KASHIMO NO DIFFS EVERYONE BRO

Kashimo talking this crazy like 16F doesn't low diff bro like everyone else

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Absolutely not getting away with this btw. An ability that amps your speed does not need to specify in text that it amps every speed that gets separated on vsbw, it amps every speed unless specified not to.

Dabura's Light amps his travel, combat, and perception speed, as that's what we see in the manga. Arguing he has relativistic perception in base is nonsensical.

So much yap with nothing suggesting that you proved it also amps perception speed

 

[Arkenis]

Abaddon already calced a feat for Maho being sub rel I think, not sure how this argument about Dabura not having rel perception is even happening.

 

[LIGHTYW]

Kashimo talking this crazy like 16F doesn't low diff bro like everyone else

16F PROBABLY WINS, BUT IT WOULD BE AN EXTREMELY CLOSE FIGHT BRO. MBA KASHIMO ISNT GETTING "LOW DIFFed" MY GUY.

KASHIMO VS CHAP 238 SUKUNA WAS ALREADY A HIGH DIFF FIGHT BRO.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Abaddon already calced a feat for Maho being sub rel I think, not sure how this argument about Dabura not having rel perception is even happening.

People don't like Rel JJK, twin

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

16F PROBABLY WINS, BUT IT WOULD BE AN EXTREMELY CLOSE FIGHT BRO. MBA KASHIMO ISNT GETTING "LOW DIFFed" MY GUY.

KASHIMO VS CHAP 238 SUKUNA WAS ALREADY A HIGH DIFF FIGHT BRO.

Close huh? Hmm, I better see you on your A-Game when I do 16F Meguna vs MBA Kashimo

 

[BiggestOpp]

Close huh? Hmm, I better see you on your A-Game when I do 16F Meguna vs MBA Kashimo

The winner gets to fight Naoya

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

The winner gets to fight Naoya

Bro's trying to include the Goodwill Yuji victim in here

 

[BiggestOpp]

Bro's trying to include the Goodwill Yuji victim in here

Folks can’t even rage bait properly.
Embarrassing!

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Folks can’t even rage bait properly.
Embarrassing!

Reply to me when Curseya has better dura than hanami

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Damn I never realized that Human speech bubbles ended in points while Alien speech bubbles had square ends. That's a good way to distinguish who's talking.

 

[BiggestOpp]

Reply to me when Curseya has better dura than hanami

Like Hanami isn’t one of the most durable characters in the series

 

[Arkenis]

I doubt anyone besides Rika, Ryu, Yuki and like a max uzumaki could do remotely what Purple did to her. And the thing is, Naoya's bv is also a durability scale for the cast too but people won't fw that idea idt,

 

[BiggestOpp]

I doubt anyone besides Rika, Ryu, Yuki and like a max uzumaki could do remotely what Purple did to her.

Literally

And the thing is, Naoya's bv is also a durability scale for the cast too but people won't fw that idea idt,

Elaborate

 

[Arkenis]

Elaborate

I've been looking it over, but I could be wrong. It depends if you think the Hanami statement is connected to the BV statement as reference. Thing is the kanjis used 大分(まし) is Kamo saying it's less bad than Hanami's in reference to damaging him, that's why we get the PB panel. Going by context, Kamo's never hit the BV form, so he can only be comparing Hanami to Naoya outside of it and saying less bad than Hanami. It's not really meant to say either's inferior completely, just "this is good, just not really good." So either Hanami's toughness is needed for Mach 3, or Hanami's not durable enough for Mach 3. Another thing is also Jogo durability feats from Gojo show just how durable they are. Jogo's getting rocked by several blue enhanced punches, gets slapped by a Red and he's still fighting, meanwhile Yuta and Hakari barfed from just one, Uraume got absolutely rocked by it as well. Gojo goes for Hanami's eye trees to weaken her instead of punching or breaking an arm like he does to Jogo and even says Hanami isn't up to the challenge right now in reference to countering his strengthened limitless since he just weakened her.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Curse Naoya Durability was compared to held back Hanami not the Hanami whom Todo and Yuji fought

 

[BiggestOpp]

I've been looking it over, but I could be wrong. It depends if you think the Hanami statement is connected to the BV statement as reference. Thing is the kanjis used 大分(まし) is Kamo saying it's less bad than Hanami's in reference to damaging him, that's why we get the PB panel. Going by context, Kamo's never hit the BV form, so he can only be comparing Hanami to Naoya outside of it and saying less bad than Hanami. It's not really meant to say either's inferior completely, just "this is good, just not really good." So either Hanami's toughness is needed for Mach 3, or Hanami's not durable enough for Mach 3. Another thing is also Jogo durability feats from Gojo show just how durable they are. Jogo's getting rocked by several blue enhanced punches, gets slapped by a Red and he's still fighting, meanwhile Yuta and Hakari barfed from just one, Uraume got absolutely rocked by it as well. Gojo goes for Hanami's eye trees to weaken her instead of punching or breaking an arm like he does to Jogo and even says Hanami isn't up to the challenge right now in reference to countering his strengthened limitless since he just weakened her.

Interesting

Curse Naoya Durability was compared to held back Hanami not the Hanami whom Todo and Yuji fought

Where is it stated that Hanami was holding back their Reinforcement?

 

[Qurbonboev]

This verse clearly needs comprehensive scaling blog

 

[Arkenis]

I doubt Hanami dramatically increased her durability to the point it's relevant. Plus Hanami holding back is more about her spirit in fighting than her literally holding her ap and durability back.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Interesting

Where is it stated that Hanami was holding back their Reinforcement?

I doubt Hanami dramatically increased her durability to the point it's relevant. Plus Hanami holding back is more about her spirit in fighting than her literally holding her ap and durability back.

Yuji's first BF rips through them when they got serious tanked Multiple ones. They also mentioned they will need to get serious to fight Yuji and Todo. They also was using one hand which should drastically reduce their output similar to other characters cases. I really don't get what type of agenda now you people are trying to push with this "Hanami durability wasn't lowered against Kamo"

 

[Arkenis]

This verse clearly needs comprehensive scaling blog

I tried several times but I get so tired and then I see 8 gajillion crts made, five different new calcs. I have some blogs made but its not very much stuff. I could maybe write something for the disaster scaling since the idea Hanami and Jogo are only 8B just doesn't sit right.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

This verse clearly needs comprehensive scaling blog

Was working on one but classes have been kicking my ass for the most part and exams are happening for the next few weeks so yeah

 

[Arkenis]

Yuji's first BF rips through them when they got serious tanked Multiple ones.

No it didn't. Hanami blocks with wood and her arm gets broken. The rest are just centered on her full body, makes sense he isn't destroying her there.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

No it didn't. Hanami blocks with wood and her arm gets broken. The rest are just centered on her full body, makes sense he isn't destroying her there.

Those BF barely gave scratched meanwhile first broke the hand ripping it apart alongwith the CT. Not gonna keep up with you in this seems like pointless. If you seriously think before and after hand same Durability despite that.

 

[Arkenis]

They also mentioned they will need to get serious to fight Yuji and Todo. They also was using one hand which should drastically reduce their output similar to other characters cases. I really don't get what type of agenda now you people are trying to push with this "Hanami durability wasn't lowered against Kamo"

Yeah as in try more and enjoy what she does because Hanami usually doesn't as Mahito says. Who's the other character that still had both arms but just didn't use one and so their output dropped. Ngl I think you're just reading too much into it, the disaster curses each have something special about them. Hanami's tough because they're wood and wood is hard, this is never stated due to high ce or good reinforcement. Jogo's really fast, and Dagon's got boundless hp in reference to the ocean's seemingly boundlessness nature.

 

[Arkenis]

Those BF barely gave scratched meanwhile first broke the hand ripping it apart alongwith the CT. Not gonna keep up with you in this seems like pointless. If you seriously think before and after hand same Durability despite that.

No that's just you reading into it when its not that significant. The arm is not as strong as the torso, like a branch isn't durable as the trunk. Like obviously Hanami's arm got broken by the first one, doesn't mean Hanami decided to increase their reinforcement cuz the whole time they held back. The whole thing is about Hanami having fun and wanting to fight, why would she hold back on humans and in her own eyes against the people who destroy the earth?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

No that's just you reading into it when its not that significant. The arm is not as strong as the torso, like a branch isn't durable as the trunk. Like obviously Hanami's arm got broken by the first one, doesn't mean Hanami decided to increase their reinforcement cuz the whole time they held back. The whole thing is about Hanami having fun and wanting to fight, why would she hold back on humans and in her own eyes against the people who destroy the earth?

Kenjaku literally suggested them to kill anyone. Have you even read the series properly?

Even after taking the HP they said it's hard to fight when holding back

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yeah as in try more and enjoy what she does because Hanami usually doesn't as Mahito says. Who's the other character that still had both arms but just didn't use one and so their output dropped. Ngl I think you're just reading too much into it, the disaster curses each have something special about them. Hanami's tough because they're wood and wood is hard, this is never stated due to high ce or good reinforcement. Jogo's really fast, and Dagon's got boundless hp in reference to the ocean's seemingly boundlessness nature.

Except you don’t see someone breaking their hand while taking an attack to the body in JJK like in the case you mentioned, so I don’t buy your arguments. Also, we have at least two examples that indicate losing a hand reduces output. Sukuna, when he had two hands, got completely rocked by Yuji, whereas after regenerating—and still being within Yuji’s domain—he had the upper hand until Megumi interfered. By your own explanation, you should understand that Hanami not using one hand, and Gege deliberately making them hide it until they fought Yuji and Todo, already shows he was trying to establish a difference between the Grades here. Todo was Grade 1, and Yuji was around his level, while Maki had statements placing her at Grade 2 during that tournament. Megumi was also around the same level. So yeah, I’m really not buying your argument that Hanami didn’t hold back and just got injured because their output was lowered. There would be no point in not using the other hand if it wasn’t meant to nerf them.

 

[Arkenis]

Kenjaku literally suggested them to kill anyone. Have you even read the series properly?

Has no bearing on if Hanami has to hold back her reinforcement.

Even after taking the HP they said it's hard to fight when holding back

It says put the brakes on killing intent, not reinforcement. Every time someone holds back or doesn't have killing intent doesn't gotta mean they willingly dropped their energy levels, they just aren't trying their best to kill/win.

Except you don’t see someone breaking their hand while taking an attack to the body in JJK like in the case you mentioned, so I don’t buy your arguments.

Idk how this has relevance,

Also, we have at least two examples that indicate losing a hand reduces output. Sukuna, when he had two hands, got completely rocked by Yuji, whereas after regenerating—and still being within Yuji’s domain—he had the upper hand until Megumi interfered.

Or maybe the fact Yuji's already dropping his output?? Or Yuji's just on his level in h2h? And yeah no duh he gained the upper hand with four arms lmao. Also Sukuna lost those hands, Hanami just didn't use their arm. These are not the same scenarios at all.

By your own explanation, you should understand that Hanami not using one hand, and Gege deliberately making them hide it until they fought Yuji and Todo, already shows he was trying to establish a difference between the Grades here.

That difference doesn't gotta be about output, using one arm is commonly used to state the character isn't taking the fight in earnest, which is precisely what Hanami ends up doing after revealing it.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It doesn’t need to be stated it’s a given.
Reinforcement is just enveloping yourself with cursed energy. That’s literally all it is. There’s no special technique that amplifies objects or something, it’s literally applying your cursed energy onto something else. This is limited by your personal output, but there’s no reason to assume applying it to a weapon just suddenly shoots up the output. That’s unfounded and frankly makes no sense.

Idk how concentrating cursed energy in one point and using that as a blast doesn't make sense.

We know sorcerers evenly divide their CE throughout their bodies. We also know sorcerers can reduce the amount on certain parts of their body to increase the amount on other parts.

Weapons would be stronger than users though and would be better container.

Ex. Todo blocking Mahito’s black flash and Hakari enduring Kashimo’s explosion.
Reinforcing a weapon, would possibly reduce their overall output due to them using CE on an extra appendage.
It would not increase their output in any manner.

You just proved my point with these cases. Todo concentrated all his CE instinctively and survived the BF (not literally tanked).

Hakari didn't tanked Lightining discharge. He rejected it by removing Kashimo's CE

So both of your examples were wrong on this case. These cases are not something you can do casually.
Either way this is defence mechanisms not offense.

Give a child a knife and ask them to try to cut you.
Despite them being (literally) 100s of times weaker than you, they can still cut you pretty easily. I don’t think I have to explain that a sword is sharp.

Who would have thought that a hard object reinforced with similar energy to the attacker could inflict damage??????

So you do agree Weapons deals more damage but still arguing for SSK feats scaling to physical?

Ima need context for this ngl

Is metal not more sturdier than your skin?????

Yuta has only used these blasts with Cursed tools aside from fully Manifested Rika's beam. Beside as I said CE blast can destroy the swarm of cockroaches while his strikes are blocked by same.

There are numerous examples of sorcerers being stated to have unlimited, boundless CE but being demonstrably finite.
Im 99% sure Hakari is the exception to this and he just quite literally has infinite cursed energy during jackpot.
Regardless, Hakari is physically built better than Megumi.
Megumi can endure Sukuna using his reinforcement on his own body.
So if Hakari can breach this supposed output limit on his own body then that means his output must be higher than whatever Megumi can endure.
Hakari is stronger than Sukuna and Gojo if this concept truly exists…. Orrrrrrr you’re just wrong.

Sukuna took the bath which is used to strengthen Cursed tools and there was implied his body was breaking down to some extent idk when Kenny asks about why he is not using his true form panel was laser focused on a single crack in his finger.

Megumi states that Yuji is physically superior to EVERYONE (without cursed energy) during the school event arc. This includes Maki.
An injured Maki physically overpowered Ogi.
Read the chapter, Maki parried all of the blows and overpowered his blade. Ogi only won bc maki dumb asl.

I'm not going to go with your flow of "Maki didn't got stronger before Shibuya arc" and you also ignored Finger bearer beating down the same Yuji.

UES isn’t required to have characters grow stronger via their energy.
The application of energy to increase physical strength is bare minimum energy system stuff. UES is scaling physicals to abstract feats like fireballs, creation feats, etc etc.
1. Ryu is both faster and stronger than Yuta my guy????? He’s comparable to them, but he’s demonstrably weaker so his output is lower than Ryu.

Ryu didn't show significant speed difference. I can agree he might be slightly faster but still it's not Blitz tier.

What are you even trying to say here????
Naobito literally has a CT that increases his speed my guy, you’re grasping at straws.

Naobita CT just stops the frames either way Naoya unstacked bliztes Yuji and Choso. So you can't just say yeah it's because CT.

“Didn’t make a big name of himself”
What are you even talking about? The only times Yuji’s name was mentioned in the context of a big shot is him defeating Sukuna (he landed the last blow on Sukuna and put up the best performance against him after Gojo’s death) or when they say they need someone to handle Dabura.
News flash, Yuta is DEAD. Idk what you’re on about

Yuta's dead but never once Yuta's grandkids thought if Granpa was here he would have handled Dabura or Dabura is on Grandpas level. Dabura is consistently compared to Sukuna level threat and his equal while no one from Jujutsu society was thinking about Yuta there. Yuji was missing and they didn't even know if he was alive still they are comparing him to Dabura there is enough of that

 

[GeneralSol16]

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[BiggestOpp]

yapatron 9000

Mf why’d you just randomly do ts

 

[BiggestOpp]

Idk how concentrating cursed energy in one point and using that as a blast doesn't make sense.

Concentrating or condensing? Wording matters, cus what you’re arguing is condensing it, which would increase the strength overall.
This is an unfounded concept. There’s not a single time where someone has condensed cursed energy to increase the output.
If this was an actual occurrence we’d see people doing this more often but we don’t. The only times we’ve seen people use output blasts like that is when they have a crazy amount of CE at hand (Yuta, Mech., Kenjaku/Geto, Ryu(output in his case)).
If condensing it would increase the power significantly, then they’d be using less CE to achieve the regular effects of their reinforced bodies yet they never do this.

Weapons would be stronger than users though and would be better container.

Obviously, that’s the point of weapons. They normally have more concentrated energy and hardness than flash and bones.
So where as a bat can weigh less than an arm, it can produce and transfer more energy on impact. This is irrelevant though.

You just proved my point with these cases. Todo concentrated all his CE instinctively and survived the BF (not literally tanked).

Hakari didn't tanked Lightining discharge. He rejected it by removing Kashimo's CE

So both of your examples were wrong on this case. These cases are not something you can do casually.
Either way this is defence mechanisms not offense.

They don’t prove your case at all my guy, wdh?
My point in mentioning these instances is to show the concept of CE reinforcement being applied throughout the body evenly.
We also know they can control the amount that reaches each part of their body.
This isn’t “condensing” in the sense of pressing it down so hard that the pressure increases, it’s just relocated.
Divide the body into 6.
(Arms 2, torso 1, legs 2, head 1)
Normally CE is divided throughout their body relatively, but this is intentional. They can reduce the amount in certain parts of their body and relocate it to other spots.
Todo, relocated all of that energy into the torso meaning it jumped from a 1 to a 6.
Not due to compressing the CE drastically increasing the output but relocating ALL of his cursed energy to that certain spot which achieved the same effect, but not through the means you’re arguing.
Hakari used this same concept when he survived Kashimo’s water explosion bs. You got the wrong scan.
Due to the nature of reinforcement, a weapon cannot increase the output of a sorcerer without special mechanics, in normal circumstances it’d actually be weaker than their overall output.

So you do agree Weapons deals more damage but still arguing for SSK feats scaling to physical?

Yuta has only used these blasts with Cursed tools aside from fully Manifested Rika's beam. Beside as I said CE blast can destroy the swarm of cockroaches while his strikes are blocked by same.

Weapons can do more damage due to the nature of what weapons are. I never disagreed with that. I disagree with weapons increasing cursed energy output, that idea is unfounded.
I shouldn’t have to explain that raw energy that’s very hot can burn something. This doesn’t prove anything.

Sukuna took the bath which is used to strengthen Cursed tools and there was implied his body was breaking down to some extent idk when Kenny asks about why he is not using his true form panel was laser focused on a single crack in his finger.

In the panels right before this they explain what they were doing with the bath, it was to submerge Megumi’s soul not strengthen his body. wtf are you even talking about.
Sukuna’s crack could be many things, we literally don’t know. This isn’t proving anything you’re suggesting just drop that argument bro. You’re 0-2 on ts.

I'm not going to go with your flow of "Maki didn't got stronger before Shibuya arc" and you also ignored Finger bearer beating down the same Yuji.

This may come as a surprise to you, but outside of Yuji who had a special case to why his strength grew so quickly, people in JJK really don’t get that much stronger.
Shibuya and the goodwill arc took place a month apart. Not only does Maki not do anything notable during that time, there’s no mention of extensive training or a jump in power.
It also doesn’t help that Mai kinda confirms that Maki’s growth in strength is very, very slow due to her. You can look at the scan yourself, Mai just says all the training Maki is doing is pointless because she herself doesn’t want to get stronger. Either Maki grows in strength very, VERY slowly or she just stopped growing after a certain point.
Idk why you’re bringing up the FB, Ogi gets washed by that mf.

Ryu didn't show significant speed difference. I can agree he might be slightly faster but still it's not Blitz tier.

Who ever said it was a blitz tier?

Naobita CT just stops the frames either way Naoya unstacked bliztes Yuji and Choso. So you can't just say yeah it's because CT.

It’s literally because of the CT my guy, unstacked means they’re not furthering increasing the speed, but the technique itself always increases their speed (and thus may come as a shock) by allowing them to perform 24 movements in a second. Ignoring cap bs, the techniques purpose is to allow them to make 24 movements per second, that’s why they’re always called fast but it must be because of a technique, Naobito explains this to us. It’s simply the CT.

Yuta's dead but never once Yuta's grandkids thought if Granpa was here he would have handled Dabura or Dabura is on Grandpas level. Dabura is consistently compared to Sukuna level threat and his equal while no one from Jujutsu society was thinking about Yuta there. Yuji was missing and they didn't even know if he was alive still they are comparing him to Dabura there is enough of that

I’m not gonna touch up on this.
Yuta is confirmed dead. Nobody is gonna ask for Yuta because he’s dead.
They know Yuji is immortal and the strongest thing alive rn. There’s no way he’s dead and no one is going to consider that a possibility because he is their only hope. It’s cope.
Nobody said “I wish we had Gojo alive to help us”. Is Gojo not a Sukuna level fighter now? They’re not gonna dwell on people who are confirmed dead, they want Yuji cause he’s the only one alive.

 

[Thunderman101]

Toji tanking hollow purple is a slept on feat lowkey