Hazbin’s Exterminator vs Hallownest’s Ghost (Hazbin Hotel vs Hollow Knight) [1-7-0]

[ARandomDude127]

finally I get to do this after Hazbin revisions

“Sometimes, I kill mother-bugs in front of their children as a warning to others!”: @ShionAH

Scales to this; ≈ 51.68 kg of TNT

“That pulsing emptiness... Truly, it has been transformed by the revelations it found. Does it... feel anything? Triumph? Or hate?”: @Eden_Warlock99 @Stellar_Fish @AyOgUyS @MannyQ361 @Thunderman101 @Poketmonsrs @DarkLock92

Scales to this; ≈ 77.90 kg of TNT


Almighty Bug Swatter solos both:

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The Rules

The Knight’s “Voidheart” key is used.
The Knight has access to the Nailmaster’s Glory charm.
Niffty is restricted to High-Low Regeneration.

The battle takes place within the Hazbin Hotel’s Lobby.

Speed is equalized.

The two combatants start 1 meter from each other.​

 

[ARandomDude127]

Bump

 

[ShionAH]

I want to mention Niffty's dagger is like 5-B...

 

[Friedoil11]

Is speed equalized?

 

[ARandomDude127]

I want to mention Niffty's dagger is like 5-B...

Hey man, the profile highkey says otherwise…
Though I can just restrict her to a normal knife if needed, just wanted some way to up the stakes for Knight.

Is speed equalized?

Correct

 

[ShionAH]

Hey man, the profile highkey says otherwise…

I mean sure for now but... you know? It's kinda hard to debunk this.

But as far as I see Knight in this key doesn't have any high tier regeneration so I don't see why a normal dagger wouldn't be enough for Niffty that way even if it gets upgraded we wont have to deal with it

 

[ARandomDude127]

I mean sure for now but... you know? It's kinda hard to debunk this

That’s true I suppose, the whole revisions HH is going through right now is a pretty big mess. I’m just going off of the profile now that Niffty’s 9-A.

 

[ShionAH]

I’m just going off of the profile now that Niffty’s 9-A.

I know that's why I said you could just restrict it to normal daggers so YOU don't have to deal with rematching/changing and etc. when it's changed. Because like I said Knight only has a super Low regeneration right? So it doesn't even matter

 

[ARandomDude127]

I know that's why I said you could just restrict it to normal daggers so YOU don't have to deal with rematching/changing and etc. when it's changed. Because like I said Knight only has a super Low regeneration right? So it doesn't even matter

Mm, yeah that’s fair enough. Daggers restricted now.

 

[ARandomDude127]

Bump

 

[ARandomDude127]

Bump

 

[ShionAH]

I'll start things off I guess, does Knights soul absorption let him bypass Nifftys Immortality?

 

[koopa3144]

I'll start things off I guess, does Knights soul absorption let him bypass Nifftys Immortality?

Their soul manip only takes small amounts of an opponents soul and can never fully absorb it iirc so prob not.

 

[ShionAH]

How does he get pass her regeneration then?

 

[AyOgUyS]

Their soul manip only takes small amounts of an opponents soul and can never fully absorb it iirc so prob not.

hear me out: that's only cuz HK bugs are just built different

 

[ARandomDude127]

How does he get pass her regeneration then?

Hmm, that does seem to be bad…

Should I switch the location to Final Destination, just to give The Knight an actual wincon?

Edit: So apparently the link doesn’t work oh my god bruh

 

[ShionAH]

Hmm, that does seem to be bad…

You could limit her regen to High-Low (which should definitely be fixed to be Low-Mid lol) that way Knight can win by targeting Nifftys head

 

[ARandomDude127]

You could limit her regen to High-Low (which should definitely be fixed to be Low-Mid lol) that way Knight can win by targeting Nifftys head

That’s fair I suppose, but should I give Niffty some kind of prior knowledge just so she has a better chance? I want this to be close at the very least and Knight seems to have a LOT of advantages.

 

[ShionAH]

That’s fair I suppose, but should I give Niffty some kind of prior knowledge just so she has a better chance? I want this to be close at the very least and Knight seems to have a LOT of advantages.

I am pretty sure Niffty wins even with this, her lower regeneration would still be really good, she has a HUGE LS advantage and etc.

I'll be voting her if you restrict her regen

 

[ARandomDude127]

I am pretty sure Niffty wins even with this, her lower regeneration would still be really good, she has a HUGE LS advantage and etc.

I'll be voting her if you restrict her regen

Oh wow, alright then. Regen restricted and vote counted!

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I am pretty sure Niffty wins even with this, her lower regeneration would still be really good, she has a HUGE LS advantage and etc.

When has Nifty ever used LS lol

Knight heavily upscales from their value, heavily outskills and can sorta just phase through attacks.

 

[ARandomDude127]

When has Nifty ever used LS lol

Knight heavily upscales from their value, heavily outskills and can sorta just phase through attacks.

I assume you’re voting for The Knight?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I assume you’re voting for The Knight?

Ye

 

[ShionAH]

heavily outskills

With his above average intelligence?

and can sorta just phase through attacks.

Not forever now can he

 

[ARandomDude127]

Ye

Vote counted!

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

With his above average intelligence?

You know we don't list combat skill as Intelligence anymore, right?

Knight has fought and won against Hornet twice btw

Not forever now can he

You acting like Nifty has Infinite stamina lol Also who's he?

 

[ShionAH]

You know we don't list combat skill as Intelligence anymore, right?

Knight has fought and won against Hornet twice btw

I understimated the Knight, is this a skill stomp or does Niffty have a shot. I dont know how good the skillslop is

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I understimated the Knight, is this a skill stomp or does Niffty have a shot. I dont know how good the skillslop is

It's nothing super crazy like "I've seen you blink and now know you every move." Mostly just Knight beating Swordmasters and stuff like the Knight 1v3ing the Mantis Lords, leaders of a warrior tribe where they train for combat since childhood. Also obviously needing to be very mobile/evasive to get past the end game bosses like Grimm and PV.

 

[ARandomDude127]

I understimated the Knight, is this a skill stomp or does Niffty have a shot. I dont know how good the skillslop is

Angelic Daggers don’t look all that bad now huh

Anyways it’s nothing super insane, at worst Niffty’s just gonna have a slightly harder time landing hits on The Knight, but she’s not totally outmatched here.

Not forever now can he

Kind of. It’s kind of like Cuphead’s dash where it CAN do it infinitely, but there’s a cooldown period between dashes, which Niffty can take advantage of.

 

[ShionAH]

Angelic Daggers don’t look all that bad now huh

I said I underestimated his skill, but not on the level of “GIVE THE NIFF THE 5-B!!” .

I’ll keep my vote on Niffty, they aren’t all that apart in skill as she is surprisingly good at combat and the LS and Regeneration advantages coupled with her Immortality is enough for me

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Knight can also heal damage and has ranged options.

Also if they die the Knight becomes a Shade with High-Mid and Intangibility.
A.k.a. give her the Angelic Knife

 

[ShionAH]

Knight can also heal damage and has ranged options.

Their heal can be interrupted, Niffty easily dodges the ranged attacks

Also if they die the Knight becomes a Shade with High-Mid and Intangibility.
A.k.a. give her the Angelic Knife

Then Niffty one shots, mismatch detected attention faded

 

[ARandomDude127]

I said I underestimated his skill, but not on the level of “GIVE THE NIFF THE 5-B!!” .

No no but we NEED 5-B Niffty vs 9-A Knight trust…

 

[ARandomDude127]

Also if they die the Knight becomes a Shade with High-Mid and Intangibility.
A.k.a. give her the Angelic Knife

The Shade is only useful for flight here considering it can still be harmed and killed by physical weaponry.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Their heal can be interrupted, Niffty easily dodges the ranged attacks

Knight can sorta just fly away with the Super Dash and Nifty's abysmal travel speed means she's never catching up.
Their ranged attacks are also significantly faster than the Knight's standard attacks.

 

[ARandomDude127]

Then Niffty one shots, mismatch detected attention faded

Anyways either way if the Dagger does upgrade Niffty’s AP to 5-B, I could just give Knight a bunch of its defensive and evasive charms to make Niffty actually have to work for said one shot, since it’s only her AP that’d be buffed.

Knight can sorta just fly away with the Super Dash and Nifty's abysmal travel speed means she's never catching up.

Look man, I love HK as much as the next guy but The Knight would genuinely NEVER do this, especially when Crystal Dash has to be charged up which can be taken advantage of by Niffty, given they’re so close.

Plus, who in their right mind is using Crystal Dash during a boss fight.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Look man, I love HK as much as the next guy but The Knight would genuinely NEVER do this, especially when Crystal Dash has to be charged up which can be taken advantage of by Niffty, given they’re so close.

Plus, who in their right mind is using Crystal Dash during a boss fight.

Not with that attitude


Knight can also really just stroll away and Nifty can't catch em either tbf

 

[ARandomDude127]

Not with that attitude

That’s Myf pal, I forgot the wait for Silksong plunged the minds of HK fans deep into insanity

Knight can also really just stroll away and Nifty can't catch em either tbf

But like, I don’t think The Knight would do this.

Especially with it having Nailmaster’s Glory I’d assume the Knight would stick to close range for most of the fight, especially since it HAS to for the beginning of it to even get SOUL for its spells.

And even then, let’s say it does, and The Knight gets a few Shade Souls off on Niffty, it isn’t enough to kill her because of her regen and the fact that the AP & Dura difference is less than 2x, and now the Knight HAS to go back and fight Niffty at close quarters to get more SOUL.

While it helps Knight’s case slightly yeah, there’s genuinely NO actual long term benefit for The Knight to play distance for it to be a good standalone argument.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

This is a skillstomp; the knight has fought characters who have much more complex attacks than Niffty, such as Grimm, Radiance, and the soul master. They have simultaneously beaten up the three strongest and most skilled mantises of a warrior society where each one of them was comparable to the knight individually, they fought two of the best nailmasters simultaneously, they fought a gauntlet of all the bosses in the game one after the other wih little to no breaks, the Knight is used to fight against enemies who are much stronger, sometimes much faster and sometimes multiple stronger enemies at once, and in this scenario they have the upper-hand in raw power. And quite the upper hand, the feat was done by a heavily injured Hornet who could barely stand up afterwards and couldn't use most of her abilities.
The knight has attacks that cover large areas, such as descending dark and abyss shriek. These attacks are also vastly more destructive than their nail to the point of destroying things that otherwise they wouldn't be able to, so they likely could more or less destroy all of Niffty's body over time. (They can also spam shade souls and will already heavily injure her), The knight can get more soul just by striking Niffty a few times, and that will be quite easy for them, given their skill, timing, and the precision of their attacks in general.
So for me it's just a matter of how long Niffty can last with her regeneration, she ain't beating the Knight.

 

[ARandomDude127]

so they likely could more or less destroy all of Niffty's body over time. (They can also spam shade souls and will already heavily injure her)

Wouldn’t really be viable here, Niffty’s regeneration is near instantaneous, and because of the Knight being slightly smaller than her, it’s not gonna be able to obliterate her body.

And while the Shade Souls would damage her, it’s not gonna grievously harm her due to the difference being ~2x at absolute max, given the Knight upscales from its value. I’d honestly say the Nail/Nail Arts are Knight’s best bet here.

The knight has attacks that cover large areas, such as descending dark and abyss shriek. These attacks are also vastly more destructive than their nail to the point of destroying things that otherwise they wouldn't be able to,

Tbf, the Knight’s size is something that probably needs to be taken into account here, so these “large areas” that the Spells are covering here probably aren’t going to be all that large in hindsight. I’d say the Shade Soul is Knight’s best bet at something that covers a decent amount of distance.

Edit: I’m not taking sides here but I do wanna also argue against the possibility of this being a stomp.