Minor Boruto Addition | Space Flight

[Foriaa]

This is a small thread to add accepted space flight speeds to both Boruto and Urashiki. The justification is pretty self evident as Urashiki was the one to do the feat. As for Boruto, his justification would mirror Kaguya's, he's a full-blooded Ōtsutsuki and all Ōtsutsuki who upscale from him are granted it (Momoshiki, Kinshiki, Isshiki, Shibai, Kaguya.) As for how it would look on the profile, it would be:

Boruto:
Massively FTL with Space flight speed (As a full-blooded Ōtsutsuki, he should have comparable, if not superior flight speed, to Urashiki who is this fast in space)

Kawaki:
Massively FTL with Space flight speed (As a full-blooded Ōtsutsuki, he should have comparable, if not superior flight speed, to Urashiki who is this fast in space)

Urashiki
Massively FTL with Space flight speed (Flew from Theta Cancri within a year, which is this fast in space)

Agree : LephyrTheRevanchist, Vietthai96, Duedate8898 (Possibly rating), Godernet (Likely rating or full ratings to their V2), AbaddonTheDisappointment (Likely rating or full ratings to their V2), Random-Helper323 (Likely rating)

Disagree:

 

[Damage3245]

There's no scan here for why Boruto would be comparable to Urashiki in flight speed.

 

[Foriaa]

There's no scan here for why Boruto would be comparable to Urashiki in flight speed.

Kaguya's justification, and every other Ōtsutsuki granted it, is because they are fully Ōtsutsuki and should have comparable space flight speeds

 

[Damage3245]

Okay, scans for that?

 

[Foriaa]

Do I need to provide scans for things that are already accepted?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Do I need to provide scans for things that are already accepted?

It would certainly help prevent pointless arguments so yes.

 

[Foriaa]

It would certainly help prevent pointless arguments so yes.

I said above that all Ōtsutsuki were granted Urashiki's space flight speed solely because they are Ōtsutsuki who should be comparable if not superior, that's all.

Momoshiki Ōtsutsuki

Momoshiki Ōtsutsuki is a descendant of the Ōtsutsuki clan and the main antagonist of Boruto: Naruto the Movie and the Versus Momoshiki Arc in Boruto: Naruto Next Generations, who is stated to be an even greater threat than Kaguya. Momoshiki appeared on Earth because the God Tree where he's from...

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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kinshiki_%C5%8Ctsutsuki

Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

Princess Kaguya Ōtsutsuki (大筒おおつつ木き カグヤ?) is the former matriarch of the Ōtsutsuki clan, the former partner of Isshiki Ōtsutsuki and mother of Hagoromo and Hamura Ōtsutsuki. Long before the founding of the hidden villages, during an era of endless war, Kaguya consumed the fruit of the God Tree...

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Shibai Ōtsutsuki

Shibai Ōtsutsuki (大筒おおつつ木き シバイ, Ōtsutsuki Shibai?) is a figure said to have transcended into godhood after his consumption of several god trees over the course of several millennia in which he no longer has the use for a mortal body and instead transcended into a higher plane of existence. Tier...

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Isshiki Ōtsutsuki

Isshiki Ōtsutsuki (大筒木イッシキ, Ōtsutsuki Isshiki) is a member of the Ōtsutsuki clan's main family and the leader of Kara pretending to be a human monk called Jigen. Tier: 5-B, higher with Kāma, even higher with Ōtsutsuki Form | At least 4-B Key: Possessing Jigen | True Form Name: Isshiki Ōtsutsuki...

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This thread wasn't made to justify why Ōtsutsuki should be granted similar flight speeds, I believe that was discussed elsewhere, this is to mirror the same justification onto Boruto's page, and the dude who actually did the feat that we somehow forgot to apply to.

 

[Damage3245]

If there's no scan supporting it, it's hard to see why they should all be accepted to have comparable flight speed.

 

[Foriaa]

If there's no scan supporting it, it's hard to see why they should all be accepted to have comparable flight speed.

This was something accepted and applied elsewhere, while I don't agree with the reasoning behind why all Ōtsutsuki are given comparable flight speeds, the point is that it was accepted in the same thread Urashiki's calc was passed. I could make a CRT for why that isn't the case but I'd rather not get jumped , so this is just a thread to add it to Boruto/Urashiki as well.

 

[Iabihs]

If there's no scan supporting it, it's hard to see why they should all be accepted to have comparable flight speed.

irrelevant to the point of the thread
if u wanna apply it to only ones who scale above urashiki u can do that in another thread. Or if u wanna get it removed entirely
Saying it doesnt apply to anyone else is weird since its literally just Urashiki using chakra to fly which is weird to imply not even shibai scales lol

 

[Saqphire]

Agree with the CRT solely due to how the wiki treats Otsutsuki space flight upscaling (which I disagree with, but that's another topic)

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

i think its fine to apply it for Otsutsuki that have travelled deep space. obviously i think logically kawaki and boruto should be able to replicate it being an otsutsuki but without any evidence other than an assumption based on being the same species ,id wager to put those flight speeds for the duo at either likely or possibly versus a definitive

 

[Foriaa]

I'm fine with that

 

[Testarossa002]

I think we like to be pedantic for no reason
Boruto is:

• a "pure, genuine, complete" Otsutsuki
• Faster and stronger than Urashiki
• an otsutsuki formed from the genetic data of Momoshiki, who already scales to Urashiki

He's somehow not capable of having the same stats as Urashiki?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

• Faster and stronger than Urashiki

To be clear, since I haven't kept up with the verse recently, is this stated anywhere? If so, I could support a solid rating

 

[Testarossa002]

To be clear, since I haven't kept up with the verse recently, is this stated anywhere? If so, I could support a solid rating

The profiles tell the story

Boruto Uzumaki (Two Blue Vortex)

Boruto Uzumaki is a missing-nin from Konohagakure's Uzumaki clan, the son of the Seventh Hokage, Naruto Uzumaki and Hinata Hyūga. Following the events of the original series, he grew significantly, in both skill and character, under the trained eye of Sasuke Uchiha. However, after Sasuke's...

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Urashiki Ōtsutsuki

Urashiki Ōtsutsuki is a descendant of the Ōtsutsuki Clan's central family, and an antagonist in Boruto: Naruto Next Generations. Tier: At least 6-B, Varies with Absorbed Techniques | At least 6-B Key: Base | Evolved Form Name: Urashiki Ōtsutsuki Origin: Naruto Gender: Male Age: Unknown...

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Boruto is > Momoshiki/Kinshiki. Who are > Urashiki

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Ah, I thought Urashiki was someone else, I'm dumb, ignore my ignorance

Yeah, I'm fine with OP, honestly

 

[Foriaa]

bump

 

[Vietthai96]

Space flight? Why have this distinction? Did they have their own speed when travelling in space?

 

[Foriaa]

Space flight? Why have this distinction? Did they have their own speed when travelling in space?

Genuinely don't know, I think it has to do with less resistance in space compared to earth, if that's not the case, I'll change it so it says Flight

 

[Mbpoops]

Seems fine imo ive been slacking need to catch up with tbv

 

[Vietthai96]

Genuinely don't know, I think it has to do with less resistance in space compared to earth, if that's not the case, I'll change it so it says Flight

The moment you reach SoL, air resistance or similar isn't a problem anymore, let alone MFTL and not every fiction care about this small detail

 

[Foriaa]

The moment you reach SoL, air resistance or similar isn't a problem anymore, let alone MFTL and not every fiction care about this small detail

Yea I'm not sure, but I think this might be it :

It's from here : https://vsbattles.com/threads/urashiki-upgrade.182577/

 

[Foriaa]

There's def character's who scale to Boruto's flight speed, but that would be for a different thread.

 

[Vietthai96]

Hmm, anyway, the thread is fine i guess

 

[Duedate8898]

I also support a Possibly for Boruto in terms of his flight speed scaling, and Uruashiki getting full scaling to it

 

[Foriaa]

I also support a Possibly for Boruto in terms of his flight speed scaling, and Uruashiki getting full scaling to it

Every other Otsutsuki's page would also need to be changed if the rating is a possibly, I'm fine with that though.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

If we want to be more conservative, I also support possibly for Boruto

 

[Foriaa]

If we want to be more conservative, I also support possibly for Boruto

Quick question, if Boruto’s justification is just a mirrored one from the other Ōtsutsuki, who don't have "possibly", but the full rating, will this be something that needs to be applied in a different CRT, or can I change all of their ratings to "possibly" in this one?

 

[DavidTPPM]

I frankly don't see the point of being overly conservative with this specific rating.
Space flight should be an innate ability of the Otsutsuki as their entire race's purpose is to travel the universe eating planets, and we know for a fact flight itself is as much of an Otsutsuki ability as walking is a human ability.

And the feat in question was performed by the biggest jobber in the clan. It makes no sense for the weakest named Otsutsuki to fly faster than the fastest named Otsutsukis


This is genuinely like only giving peak athletic humans 4 km/h walking speed as a "possibly" rating when the slowest humans performed the feat. It's the same ability from the same source used by an absurdly superior character, there's no point in keeping it a possibly

 

[Foriaa]

I'm still confused as to whether or not I'm even allowed to give Boruto a possibly rating in this specific thread, as Ōtsutsuki are accepted to have full ratings already.

 

[Foriaa]

Spoiler: Ōtsutsuki Accepted Ratings

This is Momoshiki's justification : Massively FTL with Space flight speed (As a full-blooded Ōtsutsuki, he should have comparable, if not superior flight speed, to Urashiki who is this fast in space

This is Kaguya's justification : Massively FTL with Space flight speed (As a full-blooded Ōtsutsuki, she should have comparable, if not superior flight speed, to Urashiki who is this fast in space

This is Isshiki's justification : Massively FTL with Space flight speed (As a full-blooded Ōtsutsuki, he should have comparable, if not superior flight speed, to Urashiki who is this fast in space

This is Kinshiki's justification : Massively FTL Space flight speed (As a full-blooded Ōtsutsuki, he should have comparable, if not superior flight speed, to Urashiki who is this fast in space

This is Shibai's justification : Massively FTL Space flight speed (As a full-blooded Ōtsutsuki, he should have comparable, if not superior flight speed, to Urashiki who is this fast in space

It's already accepted/established that full Ōtsutsuki status is enough for the flight speed rating, and as you can see above, it's justification structure is like so :

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full-blooded Ōtsutsuki -> scales above Urashiki -> therefore MFTL in flight.​

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Boruto towards the end of P1 has his data overwritten by Momoshiki making him a full, 100% genuine Ōtsutsuki. Like David mentioned, Urashiki is by far the weakest Ōtsutsuki shown on panel. Thus, if we're consistent with the inverse scaling that was already accepted, Boruto being a full Ōtsutsuki and vastly stronger than Urashiki should give him the exact same ratings without there being a "possibly" attached to it.

 

[Random-Helper323]

It's strange for space flight to get its own speed rating, especially Massively FTL. It's true things often travel faster in a vacuum, but fiction often ignores that and anything with mass moving faster than light basically throws the laws of physics in the garbage anyway.

 

[Testarossa002]

Silver Surfer and Captain Marvel have similar stuffs on their profiles
So, it's not a naruto exclusive thing
While I disagree with the principle behind it, the standards are rather clear about it and I'm not currently motivated to argue otherwise

 

[HelloThere1089]

Space flight? Why have this distinction? Did they have their own speed when travelling in space?

It's strange for space flight to get its own speed rating, especially Massively FTL. It's true things often travel faster in a vacuum, but fiction often ignores that and anything with mass moving faster than light basically throws the laws of physics in the garbage anyway.

IIRC, the main argument was acceleration. Long distances allow the otsutsuki to slowly accelerate and reach MFTL speeds. However that wouldn't translate to flight within Earth, on foot, or combat speeds because they will not get the necessary time required to accelerate to those levels.

Of course we have no evidence to support or deny that they are accelerating so slowly, but to be conservative, this end was accepted in the original CRT. However I have no clue about the air resistance argument and like Viet said, it will not matter at those speeds. Idk how the site handles the acceleration stuff I mentioned tho.

 

[Vietthai96]

for acceleration, you need to write X speed, up to Y speed after M time, something like this

 

[HelloThere1089]

for acceleration, you need to write X speed, up to Y speed after M time, something like this

the Y speed would be peak speed under this format. This is something we don't know. We only know the average speed. The feat is basically, Character travels D distance in approximately T time. But we aren't shown the specifics. So we can only calculate the average speed over the entire distance and we don't know how long it takes to accelerate because it is an assumption to begin with in order to keep it conservative.

 

[ichimojii]

To me it seems like some sort of flying technique. Tho I guess possible is fine

 

[HelloThere1089]

To me it seems like some sort of flying technique. Tho I guess possible is fine

flight is a flying technique yes.

 

[Foriaa]

I provided above an argument for why the possibly rating wouldn't be consistent, I'd appreciate some input from mods, then we can close this.